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Title: WHY ARE RON PAUL'S SUPPORTERS SO ANGRY?
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin425.htm
Published: Jan 29, 2008
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2008-01-29 10:19:19 by christine
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When Glenn Beck interviewed Congressman Ron Paul a few weeks ago, he said that he had received death threats from people purporting to be Ron Paul supporters. I have heard other journalists make similar accusations against Congressman Paul's supporters. Of course, I have no way of knowing whether any of this is true or not. And neither does anyone else.

My own experience has been that Congressman Paul's supporters have always demonstrated grace, patience, and courtesy. I have met and worked alongside Ron Paul supporters in at least four states, and I have never personally witnessed any of the anger and bitterness of which they are accused.

Not that Ron Paul's supporters do not have reason to be angry. They most certainly do. In fact, all of us should be angry.

Ron Paul's supporters have been subjected to the most overt and outlandish brand of humiliation and censorship ever seen in modern politics. The cable news Republican Presidential debates have been jokes. For every one question (and usually a stupid, irrelevant question at that) asked of Dr. Paul, the other participants will get three or four. Maybe more. Even though Ron Paul has received more money, more votes, and more delegates than Rudy Giuliani, the press continues to ignore Mr. Paul while showering Giuliani with coverage.

In addition, Ron Paul's own party continues to treat him and his supporters as second-class citizens--or perhaps even as aliens from a different planet. They are subjected to insults of every type. Not to mention enduring every conceivable method to censure or remove Dr. Paul from the political process. He has been denied access to platforms, excluded from debates, removed from GOP Presidential lists, etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseam.

I say again: if anyone has a right to be angry, it is Ron Paul supporters. But perhaps the greater question is, Why are not all of us angry? No, I do not mean in a cruel or unkind way, but where is our outrage for what the ruling elite are doing to our country?

We should all be angry at the way politicians lie to us, deceive us, and manipulate us. We should all be angry at the way both major parties have completely ignored and trampled constitutional government.

Are we so gullible that we cannot see when a politician says one thing to one group of people and a totally opposite thing to another group of people? Are we so naïve that we cannot tell when a politician changes his beliefs simply in order to garner votes?

Come on folks, let's get real: do you really expect John McCain to abandon his efforts to grant amnesty to illegal aliens? Do you really expect Mitt Romney to be a champion for the unborn? Do you really expect Mike Huckabee to suddenly be the champion for limited government spending? Do you really expect Rudy Giuliani to keep his pants zipped?

Have the American people become so numbed to truth and reality that we cannot distinguish the genuine from the phony--even when it stands right in front of us? Perhaps so. However, if the American people had any of the character and resolve of our forebears, we would be steaming mad about what our political and business leaders have done to our country.

Yes, we should be angry at the way our government has repeatedly lied to us about the economy, about sending our jobs and manufacturing industries overseas, about Iraq, and about EVERYTHING! Yes, dear friends, they lie to us about everything. It has gotten to the point that, frankly, I believe NOTHING the government tells us. They have proven themselves to be totally disingenuous and downright duplicitous. And, frankly, I'm angry about it.

In addition, I can even understand whatever anger and exasperation Ron Paul's supporters feel regarding my fellow evangelical believers. Today's Christians--and especially our pastors--have become little more than toadies for the establishment elite. They apparently have never read our U.S. Constitution, Declaration of Independence, or Bill of Rights. They are seemingly oblivious to our great American history and heritage. They seem to lack the most elementary understanding of even the most basic American principles.

For example, it makes absolutely no sense that Christian pastors would embrace the sudden pro-life candidacy of Mitt Romney and reject the proven, twenty-year pro-life record of Ron Paul. It makes no sense that evangelical Christians would embrace the pro-illegal amnesty, pro-McCain/Feingold, pro-No-Child-Left-Behind, pro-gun control John McCain and reject the proven, twenty-year no-amnesty, pro-freedom, anti-No-Child-Left-Behind, pro-Second Amendment record of Ron Paul. It makes absolutely no sense that Christians would fall for Mr. Big Government himself, Mike Huckabee, and reject the champion of limited government, Ron Paul.

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Beyond that, how is it that pastors and evangelicals cannot see through the GOP's complicity in helping to establish a Luciferian New World Order? How can they be so blind and dumb regarding the global machinations of the Council on Foreign Relations? How can they not understand and reject the philosophy emanating from the Trilateral Commission and Bilderburgers?

Ask the average pastor and Christian about the CFR, the Trilateralists, or the Bilderburgers and they just stare into space. They are absolutely clueless. Ask them about the burgeoning NAFTA superhighway, North American Union, or Amero and they look stupefied. Again, they are absolutely clueless. And, yes, I am angry about it. I am saddened and angered at the lack of knowledge, perception, and discernment demonstrated by my Christian brethren.

I believe with all my heart that if the pastors and Christian people of America would come off their high horse and start supporting the principles of liberty, the U.S. Constitution, and limited government, not only would there be a rebirth of freedom in America, there would be a spiritual revival as well.

As it is, freedom-loving people cannot see past the ignorance, elitism, and partisan phoniness of modern Christians in order that they might see Christ. The Scripture plainly says, "Where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty." (II Corinthians 3:17)

When America's Colonial preachers and Christian people fought for liberty and independence, God gave us two Great Awakenings. I believe another Great Revival would come to America, if our Christians and pastors would stand on their hind legs and once again fight for liberty and independence. And, yes, I am also angry that they will not do that either.

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#1. To: christine (#0)

WHY ARE RON PAUL'S SUPPORTERS SO ANGRY?

Perhaps as Americans they have seen who the enemy is, maybe they have pulled the curtain aside and do not like what they see.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-29   10:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: christine, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#0)

Ron Paul's supporters have been subjected to the most overt and outlandish brand of humiliation and censorship ever seen in modern politics. The cable news Republican Presidential debates have been jokes. For every one question (and usually a stupid, irrelevant question at that) asked of Dr. Paul, the other participants will get three or four. Maybe more. Even though Ron Paul has received more money, more votes, and more delegates than Rudy Giuliani, the press continues to ignore Mr. Paul while showering Giuliani with coverage.

In addition, Ron Paul's own party continues to treat him and his supporters as second-class citizens--or perhaps even as aliens from a different planet.

Ask the average pastor and Christian about the CFR, the Trilateralists, or the Bilderburgers and they just stare into space. They are absolutely clueless. Ask them about the burgeoning NAFTA superhighway, North American Union, or Amero and they look stupefied. Again, they are absolutely clueless. And, yes, I am angry about it. I am saddened and angered at the lack of knowledge, perception, and discernment demonstrated by my Christian brethren.

This is a great rant.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-01-29   10:28:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-01-29   10:33:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)

The problem is that our pastors and priests profit from the status quo.

I'm not sure what their motivation is. I know Pat Robertson is an evil political hack first. Could they have blackmailed all of them? Or just a few ringleaders?

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-01-29   10:35:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom. RP friends (#1)

WHY ARE RON PAUL'S SUPPORTERS SO ANGRY?

Perhaps as Americans they have seen who the enemy is, maybe they have pulled the curtain aside and do not like what they see.

Bingo

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-29   10:40:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#4)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-01-29   10:43:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: ghostdogtxn (#6)

But they literally have the bully pulpit, they could lead the sheeple any which way they choose.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-01-29   10:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#7)

"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡

ghostdogtxn  posted on  2008-01-29   10:57:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: ghostdogtxn (#8)

They do tend to have smaller churches.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-01-29   10:59:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: robin, ghostdogtxn, christine, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#2)

Ron Paul's supporters have been subjected to the most overt and outlandish brand of humiliation and censorship ever seen in modern politics. The cable news Republican Presidential debates have been jokes. For every one question (and usually a stupid, irrelevant question at that) asked of Dr. Paul, the other participants will get three or four. Maybe more. Even though Ron Paul has received more money, more votes, and more delegates than Rudy Giuliani, the press continues to ignore Mr. Paul while showering Giuliani with coverage.

It is so obvious, overt, blatant. Beyond outrageous. Beyond frustrating.

MSNBC is ruuning a graphic on Tennessee Republicans: Everyone is listed EXCEPT for one. The last entry is 26% undecided.

Not one damn percentage point to report for Ron Paul in the entire state of Tennessee which I KNOW to be bulls**t.

I still think all of us like minded Americans should attempt to gain majority stock ownership and, therefore, editorial control of one of the federal media's television outlets.

The federal media deck is solidly stacked against Americans.

They are very of afraid of Ron Paul. Good.

wbales  posted on  2008-01-29   12:53:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: wbales (#10)

I still think all of us like minded Americans should attempt to gain majority stock ownership and, therefore, editorial control of one of the federal media's television outlets.

Now THAT is an EXCELLENT idea. How do you suggest this could be done?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-01-29   12:56:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: FormerLurker, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#11)

hmmm!

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-01-29   13:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: christine (#0)

It's become patently obvious that this is the very last election of substance and the next phase of life for everyone in America is going to more closely resemble that of Communist shit holes around the world...worst of all done to us intentionally by an illegal unlawful and immoral shadow government. One that must be taken down.

Chuck Baldwin for VPOTUS.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-01-29   13:15:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: ghostdogtxn (#8)

I'd like to spend some time sitting in on Pastor Baldwin's Bible studies...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-01-29   13:17:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: robin (#2)

This is a great rant.

Chuck Baldwin is truly a great American.

sean quisling hannity is a grunt Amerikan.

Big difference...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-01-29   13:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)

They're protecting the cash flow via the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status they cling to with a death-grip. No pastor will dare speak out against the government for this very reason.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-01-29   14:13:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: X-15 (#16)

They're protecting the cash flow via the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status they cling to with a death-grip. No pastor will dare speak out against the government for this very reason.

That's the long and short of it. State-licensed churches...is there any other kind left in Amerika?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-01-29   14:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: FOH (#17)

I googled 501(c)(3) + churches and this is the history of the tax-emempt status in a nutshell:

"Most churches in America have organized as "501c3 tax-exempt religious organizations." This is a fairly recent trend that has only been going on for about fifty years. Churches were only added to section 501c3 of the tax code in 1954. We can thank Sen. Lyndon B. Johnson for that. Johnson was no ally of the church. As part of his political agenda, Johnson had it in mind to silence the church and eliminate the significant influence the church had always had on shaping "public policy."

Although Johnson proffered this as a "favor" to churches, the favor also came with strings attached (more like shackles). One need not look far to see the devastating effects 501c3 acceptance has had to the church, and the consequent restrictions placed upon any 501c3 church. 501c3 churches are prohibited from addressing, in any tangible way, the vital issues of the day.

For a 501c3 church to openly speak out, or organize in opposition to, anything that the government declares "legal," even if it is immoral (e.g. abortion, homosexuality, etc.), that church will jeopardize its tax exempt status. The 501c3 has had a "chilling effect" upon the free speech rights of the church. LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

Did the church ever need to seek permission from the government to be exempt from taxes? Were churches prior to 1954 taxable? No, churches have never been taxable. To be taxable a church would first need to be under the jurisdiction, and therefore under the taxing authority, of the government. The First Amendment clearly places the church outside the jurisdiction of the civil government: "Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, nor prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

Religion cannot be free if you have to pay the government, through taxation, to exercise it. Since churches aren't taxable in the first place, why do so many of them go to the IRS and seek permission to be tax-exempt? It occurs out of:

Ignorance ("We didn't know any better") Bandwagon logic ("Everyone else is doing it") Professional advice (many attorneys and CPAs recommend it)"

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-01-29   14:59:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: X-15 (#18)

LBJ was a shrewd and cunning politician who seemed to well-appreciate how easily many of the clergy would sell out.

Lyndon was a real piece of work.

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Lod  posted on  2008-01-29   15:06:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: wbales, FormerLurker, christine (#10) (Edited)

I still think all of us like minded Americans should attempt to gain majority stock ownership and, therefore, editorial control of one of the federal media's television outlet

Perhaps you've forgotten when Ted Turner tried that in 1985 with CBS.

He had the financing to purchase a controlling interest of their stock, but, the behind the scenes spirit guides closed ranks to thwart his hostile takeover attempt.

"And CBS took such drastic actions to fend off a hostile offer by Ted Turner last year that some critics say it might as well have lost. CBS quadrupled its debt to buy back stock, agreed to sell one of its TV stations, pared its staff by over 1,000 employees, and reached an understanding with Loews Chairman Laurence Tisch that allows his company to buy up to a quarter of CBS stock."

linkie

Now, I'm terribly scarred and cynical, but I believe that patriots would encounter similar resistance and even regulatory hurdles that would be impossible to clear, and the attempts to derail the system would be upheld by the same black-robed political hacks who handed ChimpCo the elections twice.

As someone somewhere has so aptly noted in their sig "The Revolution Won't Be Televised".

We may have to resort to smoke signals and runners on horseback when the time comes because we'll get no help from any electronic systems.

Think about it. Israeli companies bill for most of the phone calls in The US, and "persons of questionable loyalties" control the networks and the govt, and nothing would expedite the clampdown on internet freedom faster than trying to use it to awaken the sleeping masses to the plunder....

I see a more likely scenario (because we don't have the time to start or complete an above ground campaign to reclaim America) where we are trying to survive and throw off the shackles without electricity or fuel and while awaiting orders issued over the EAS (to report to our designated work camps and/or rail loading yards)

"The Emergency Alert System (EAS) is a national system in the U.S. put into place in 1994, superseding the Emergency Broadcast System (EBS) and the CONELRAD System and is jointly coordinated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC), Federal Emergency Managemant Agency (FEMA), and the National Weather Service (NWS). The official EAS is designed to enable the President of the United States to speak to the United States within 10 minutes (this official federal EAS has never been activated). The EAS regulations and standards are governed by the Public Safety and Homeland Security Bureau of the FCC. Each State and several territories have their own EAS plan.[1]

The EAS covers both AM/FM/ACSSB(R)(LM(R)) radio and VHF Low/VHF Medium/VHF High/UHF/television (including low-power stations), HRC/IRC/ICC/STD/EIA, cable television and wireless cable television companies. Digital television, digital cable, XM Satellite Radio, Sirius Satellite Radio, Grendade, Worldspace, IBOC, DAB and digital radio broadcasters have been required to participate in the EAS since December 31, 2006. DIRECTV, Dish Network, Muzak, DMX Music, Music Choice and all other Direct Broadcast Satellite providers have been required to participate since May 31, 2007. Video Dial Tone (OVS) has been required to participate since July 1, 2007."

"My Fellow Merkens,

ChimpCo here.

The time has come to take action against them evil dewers. And, since we don't know who they are I'm going to ask that all Americans work with me to secure our nation from within. This will require great sacrifice and we'll be tested the way we were when we whupped the Japs and the Krauts.

And, just as some Merkens, those of Japanese descent were asked to spend time in camps as a precaution, some of us will too. This is the only way we can keep the evil dewers from using our freedoms against us.....

Of course none of this would have been necessary if our intelligence services hadn't bungled the job of monitoring those who have sworn eternal hostility to America, but, now is not the time for rekrimulayshuns, or whatever that word is.....HEY WHICH ONE OF YOU ASSHOLES PUT THAT IN HERE? I SAID 'NO BIG WORDS THIS TIME!'...."

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-01-29   15:25:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)

Of course none of this would have been necessary if our intelligence services hadn't bungled the job of monitoring those who have sworn eternal hostility to America, but, now is not the time for rekrimulayshuns, or whatever that word is.....HEY WHICH ONE OF YOU ASSHOLES PUT THAT IN HERE? I SAID 'NO BIG WORDS THIS TIME!'...."

hahahahaha...hey, you're pretty good at this stuff! :P

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-01-29   15:28:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: FormerLurker (#11)

How do you suggest this could be done?

Pick out the financially weakest and/or or lowest priced stock or just, hell, pick one of the parent companies of ABC, NBC, CNN, CBS (forget FUX News).

Then once a target is chosen, all of us like minded Americans start buying stock in whatever amount we individually can.

At future stockholder meetings, a select group would represent us having been given proxies to vote our stock in proportion to ownership.

At these meetings, therein introduce proposals concerning fairness in reporting (read that: propaganda for a change in OUR FAVOR against the "establishment staus quo", needless foreign wars, smaller federal government, fair and open elections and so forth and so on) -- direct stockholder influence to dictate editorial content and hiring/firing of on air personalities/news producers/managers to effect same.

The result would be a least ONE federal news outlet where a politician such as Ron Paul would get fair coverage and one that wasn't run by Israel Firsters.

A very large and knowledge hungry audience already exists and would be automatically there.

They are very of afraid of Ron Paul. Good.

wbales  posted on  2008-01-29   15:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#20)

still think all of us like minded Americans should attempt to gain majority stock ownership and, therefore, editorial control of one of the federal media's television outlet

Perhaps you've forgotten when Ted Turner tried that in 1985 with CBS.

It would be an interesting exercise nonetheless.

They are very of afraid of Ron Paul. Good.

wbales  posted on  2008-01-29   15:38:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: christine (#0)

Chuck Baldwin

A substantial amount of the anger arises from the fact the we are an inbred community and continue to become more so.

For instance, we have, from all appearances, adopted Chuck Baldwin as our apostle Paul.

I challenge any of you to speak Mr. Baldwin's name to the first 100 (OK, 10) people you meet tommorow. Ping me if you get anything but mouths agape.

Take MSM reactions, each time, and ponder what better way something should be said ... if said at all.

Then turn it in to learning and constructive criticism.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-29   21:07:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: robin (#2) (Edited)

This is a great rant.

Serious or sarcastic?

If sarcastic ... I say nail, hammer, robin, WHACK!

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-29   21:15:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: ghostdogtxn (#3)

The problem is that our pastors and priests profit from the status quo.

The problem truth is that our pastors and priests profit from the status quo don't give two hoots in hell about politics.

Come to think of it, neither did the gospel writers.

Part of the (worldly) reason our Savior wound up on a tree.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-29   21:26:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: FormerLurker (#11)

I still think all of us like minded Americans should attempt to gain majority stock ownership and, therefore, editorial control of one of the federal media's television outlets.

Now THAT is an EXCELLENT idea. How do you suggest this could be done?

Obviously, we'll take our 20 or 30 million dollars and buy one. /sarc

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-29   21:33:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: wbales (#22)

A very large and knowledge hungry audience already exists and would be automatically there.

I think that's what the Air America leftwing fringers thought.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-01-29   21:42:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: christine (#21)

Thanks!

I laff to keep from crying because I see pure evil when I look at The Chimpster.

No, he's not one of the masterminds, but, he enjoys the cannibal recipes as much as those who are.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-01-30   13:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: wbales (#23)

It would be an interesting exercise nonetheless.

Right.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-01-30   13:46:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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