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Title: Discuss the limited role of the Church in politics...
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Published: Jan 29, 2008
Author: X-15
Post Date: 2008-01-29 15:34:19 by X-15
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...considering that LBJ gagged the Church in 1954 by the 501(c)(3) tax-exempt status that basically prohibits the participation of state-churches in shaping the morals of our government. I'll throw out some meat for you to work with:

“The federal government has proved a tremendous impediment to the ongoing work of Christians. In all the laws that they have passed against Christian schools, gagging the church, taxation, and all kinds of things that they have done, they have made it harder for the church to exercise its prerogatives and to preach the gospel.

"Take the last presidential election. There were numbers of things that I knew that I was never able to say from the pulpit because if you advance the cause of one candidate or impede the cause of the other you can lose your tax exemption. That would have been disastrous not only for the church, but for our school and our seminary, everything. So you are gagged. You cannot do that. The IRS, a branch of our government, has succeeded in gagging Christians."

-Reverend D. James Kennedy

"When a church accepts the 501c3 status, that church:

Waives its freedom of speech. Waives its freedom of religion. Waives its right to influence legislators and the legislation they craft. Waives its constitutionally guaranteed rights. Is no longer free to speak to the vital issues of the day. Becomes controlled by a spirit of fear that if it doesn’t toe the line with the IRS it will lose its tax-exempt status. Becomes a State-Church. The church in America today is, by and large, not speaking to the vital issues of the day. The church has been effectively silenced. There has been a chilling effect upon the church’s freedom of speech for fear of IRS retribution should the church get out of line. The inevitable result is a moral downward spiral in the culture as the church stands mute.

This did not happen by accident, but by design, and it is something of relatively recent design. Churches were added to IRS Code § 501c3 in 1954. All one need do is analyze who is responsible for sponsoring the congressional bill to include churches in § 501c3 and it should become apparent that his agenda was not to empower the church, but to silence the church (hint: the sponsor was a Senator from Texas who later became President)."

- Peter Kershaw

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#1. To: X-15 (#0) (Edited)

You may be addressing the most serious question facing the church today. I've gone from thinking we are to be involved in politics to believing we are to be totally separate. The New Testament church is the Kingdom of Heaven on earth; the governments of the world are the enemies of the Kingdom of Heaven, of Christ, and Christians. The day of judgment/purification is fast approaching, and who will be able to stand in that day?

Isa 4:4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa004.html#4

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/4/4.html

Note the references under the "branch"

Isa 4:2 — In that day shall the branch of the LORD be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the earth [shall be] excellent and comely for them that are escaped of Israel.

www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Isa/4/2.html

Eze 17:22 Thus saith the Lord GOD; I will also take of the highest branch of the high cedar [note: symbolic for the House of David!], and will set [it]; I will crop off from the top of his young twigs a tender one, and will plant [it] upon an high mountain and eminent:

[see www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Eze/17/22.html , particularly Micah 4:1 and Psalm 2:6. I'll say it at the outset we're talking about Christian America, where they founded this country with a cross at Cape Henry in 1606.]

Eze 17:23 In the mountain of the height of Israel [see Ezekiel 34:11-13 Where God said He would take the Lost Sheep of the House of Israel(also John 10), and this: www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/Mat/15/24.html ] will I plant it: and it shall bring forth boughs, and bear fruit, and be a goodly cedar: and under it shall dwell all fowl of every wing; in the shadow of the branches thereof shall they dwell.

Go back to Ezekiel 17, verses 1-10: www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html#1

This battle of the two eagles is the battle between Christ and Christianity and the Jewish [Pharisee} Corporation of the United States. A better picture couldn't be painted than the one that USED to be at CorpUSA's National Park Service site, which they have erased any memory of:

[but WAIT! I've already done this. See my comments at #13 here **** www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60590 for the background of this battle. It describes the plantings of the two eagles, and also paints a picture of the first one being kept prisoner by the second, inside its "fort". See www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Zec/Zec002.html#7 . It doesn't say aid and abet the enemy; it says: Zec 2:7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest [with] the daughter of Babylon. ]

Ezekiel 17:1-6 refers to the "branch of my planting":

Isa 60:21 Thy people also [shall be] all righteous: they shall inherit the land for ever, the branch of my planting, the work of my hands, that I may be glorified.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Isa/Isa060.html#21

Ezekiel 17:7-10 represents the founding of CorpUSA. Remember what Cornwallis said to George Washington:

" "a holy war will now begin on America, [see Psalm 2] and when it is ended America will be supposedly the citadel of freedom, but her millions will unknowingly be loyal subjects to the Crown." Cornwallis went on to explain what would seem to be a self contradiction: "Your churches will be used to teach the Jew's religion and in less than two hundred years the whole nation will be working for divine world government. That government that they believe to be divine will be the British Empire. All religions will be permeated with Judaism without even being noticed by the masses, and they will all be under the invisible all-seeing eye of the Grand Architect of Freemasonry." **** www.sweetliberty.org/issu...ax/unionjack_epilogue.htm / **** www.sweetliberty.org/pers...e/jewishpersecution18.htm

What was the commandment?

2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/2Cr/2Cr006.html#17

CorpUSA WILL be rooted up:

www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Exd/Exd019.html#4 / www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn014.html#3 / www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Jhn/Jhn015.html#1 - 2 / www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Mat/Mat015.html#13 / www.blueletterbible.org/kjv/Eze/Eze017.html#10

The question is where will the church and its individuals members stand on the issue?

This is not only God's Israel, it is our Egypt; in their own words, except that they have it backwards who the slaves are: www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=70431

Back to your question....I would love to stay and chat, but I've already spent more time than I have today.

I have been reading that ACCORDING TO THE IRS, Churches ARE NOT REQUIRED TO BECOME 501C3's; they have been TRICKED into VOLUNTEERING.

"....The IRS, of course, knows very well that it has no constitutional authority over the Church, and that it may not violate the First Amendment protection against government interference with the Church. In fact, the IRS may not violate the constitutionally secured rights of any American Citizen or group of Citizens, and is able to gain jurisdiction only when such is given to it voluntarily. Thus, the IRS holds out the unbiblical "advantage" of 501(c)(3) corporate status as bait to clergy ignorant of the law in hopes that these men will "bite," thereby placing themselves and their congregations firmly on its jurisdictional hook. .....

Conclusion

It is time for the churches in America to wake up to the fact that they have seriously compromised the headship of Christ by incorporating. The very first sentence of the Bill of Rights states, "Congress shall make no law regarding an establishment of religion." No law means no law. Christian churches do not need to obtain a special "operating license" to avoid taxation; the government simply cannot tax them to begin with! The church is already immune to all taxation.

The Church of Jesus Christ is forbidden by Scripture to merge with the State because the two exist as separate entities. The State is not to claim jurisdiction over the Church, and the Church is not to place herself in such a position. The Church does not need to request of the State permission to exist as a legal entity. Its charter is the Bible, and its article of incorporation are the commandments of God. As Jesus said, "No man can serve two masters" (Matthew 6:24). If this principle applies to an individual, how much more so to his church?

Church members should confront their pastors and elders on these issues. Do not let them simply brush you off with the claim that the subject has "been studied already," or that "we have always done it this way." Challenge them to produce a copy of the IRS statutes which state that a Christian church must incorporate as a 501(c)(3) organization in order to carry out its God-ordained functions. They will not be able to do this, because such a law simply does not exist. You may find yourself unwelcome in your church, but at least you will have the satisfaction of having stood for the truth and for the sole prerogative of Christ to govern His own Church"

EXCELLENT article: The Truth About Church Incorporation ecclesia.org/truth/501-church.html [Also note : WE ARE the church: "[Note: In this article, the word "Church" does not refer to any physical building, but refers to the whole body of believers in Christ. The word "church" is translated from the Greek word ekklesia, which literally means "assembly" or "congregation" of people; it does not refer to any physical building. Keep that in mind when reading this article]" . What does the Bible say: Gal 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage. ]

Now this next article seems to disagree with the premise that we are not required to file, and they give a rocking explanation of why WE NEED TO TAKE A STAND AGAINST COMING UNDER THE JURISDICTION OF THE STATE, ANYWAY. I was going to post it for posterity's sake, but it was semi-long [you decide], but it's well worth the read, which actually goes very quickly.

Who Is REALLY Lord

of Your Church?

Perhaps if we had real churches we would have real preachers. A real preacher would preach the Law to the oppressor and Liberty to the people.

Brother Scott - with tongue firmly in cheek - gives quick perspective with his Reasons Why I Cannot Do Without the “501c3” Status.......

www.dccsa.com/greatjoy/501c3.htm

I also highly recommend:

The Body of Christ Vs. The Body of the State

www.hisholychurch.net/study/gods/bvb.htm

hope that helps to get the discussion rolling.

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-01-30   12:10:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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