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Title: vanity: 401k help please!
Source: me
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Published: Jan 29, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-01-29 23:32:47 by kiki
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Views: 725
Comments: 12

ok, I have this 401k from a job I had a few years back. I left the job and left the 401 account, and kinda forgot about it. my current job doesn't have a plan.

I'm horrible with money and have a good deal of high interest credit card debt.

so last week, I was home sick and bored and actually opened a 401 statement and was shocked on several levels. first, I was surprised at how much money was in it, not a fortune (about 68k) but way more than I ever paid into it. second, in the last quarter of last year it lost a little more than 6%.

so I thought why am I carrying debt and paying all this interest while this money is sitting there, gradually being depleted? I called and told them to send it to me. they made me talk to a counselor, who was good but couldn't change my mind.

I also found out it's lost another 4% in january, since the statement I was looking at. I wish I'd gotten it last september, but then I'd be dealing with it on this year's taxes.

so I will get this check and pay off my debt, cut up my credit cards and try to live within my means. but there will be money left over. I understand that I have 60 days to put it in an ira to avoid part of a 10% penalty.

this is my question: if I put it in an ira and that tanks like my 401 was doing, then I'll have nothing, right? if I pay the penalty, I'll have whatever's left over. that's seeming like a better way to go to me. what should I do? do I have other options?

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#1. To: kiki (#0)

They talk you out of it because they want your money.

Get the loot, pay off the debts, put the rest in the bank or a sock and sleep better at nite.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-29   23:35:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Cynicom (#1)

Get the loot, pay off the debts, put the rest in the bank or a sock and sleep better at nite.

thank you! that's what I'm thinking. I hate to pay the penalty, but I'd rather lose some of it than all of it.

my husband thinks I can put it in some kind of cd and avoid the penalty. I like the sock idea myself.

kiki  posted on  2008-01-29   23:51:29 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#3. To: kiki (#2)

I had a family member that has lost his shirt with 401..I am sure there are winners but prudence sometimes is best.

There are ways to "manage" money yourself and keep the reward yourself. It takes creative thinking to outwit the tax man. Wealthy people have accountants and shysters to do it, poor people have to do it on their own.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-01-29 23:56:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: kiki (#2)

First of all you have a good problem even though I know you don't want to deal with it at all. That stick it in a sock tells me that. I am not very knowledgeable on 401k's or IRA's even though I have one of each. I've made 320% in my 401k over the last 5 years and nearly doubled the IRA in about 18 months. So there is money to be made in these investment vehicles but I've paid my dues in losses and lots of time spent learning what and how to invest.

You'll need to roll that 401k into an IRA. Easily done. The problem is as I understand is that you cannot withdraw money from it without a financial hardship like a foreclosure or something like that. So it would seem paying off your CC debt is out of the question but you can put the IRA into a place that can loan you money against your IRA to pay off those credit cards. Do not put your IRA into a bank as some banks are in serious trouble with this sub-prime business and it's possible they could go under. I'm not kidding. Do not give your money to a broker who will most likely lose more money for you. This has happened with me. I wised up. Nobody cares about your money more than you do. Do not deal with ANY financial institution that is involved with these sub- prime loans.

Ok, what to do. Call a couple banks and brokers to make sure of the information about the financial hardship case and see if I'm correct on that or if there is another way to take money out. If you can do this without signing up do it. If you find yourself getting talked into doing business with a bank or a broker hang up like it's a pervert caller. I would then look for a good (or 2) NO LOAD mutual fund(s). Of course I could put a hundred or so caveats on that. Most mutual funds I would not put a .25 in them because I believe they will go down in the long run.

At this point you want to find a place where you can put your money to work for you and pay you in capital gains while you're watching TV or whatever. A sock just does not have that capability. Do some initial ground work and find out your options. Then choose the one that seems best for you now. You can always switch investments later. The best to you.

jwh_Denver  posted on  2008-01-30 02:19:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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