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Title: vanity: 401k help please!
Source: me
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Published: Jan 29, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-01-29 23:32:47 by kiki
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Views: 453
Comments: 12

ok, I have this 401k from a job I had a few years back. I left the job and left the 401 account, and kinda forgot about it. my current job doesn't have a plan.

I'm horrible with money and have a good deal of high interest credit card debt.

so last week, I was home sick and bored and actually opened a 401 statement and was shocked on several levels. first, I was surprised at how much money was in it, not a fortune (about 68k) but way more than I ever paid into it. second, in the last quarter of last year it lost a little more than 6%.

so I thought why am I carrying debt and paying all this interest while this money is sitting there, gradually being depleted? I called and told them to send it to me. they made me talk to a counselor, who was good but couldn't change my mind.

I also found out it's lost another 4% in january, since the statement I was looking at. I wish I'd gotten it last september, but then I'd be dealing with it on this year's taxes.

so I will get this check and pay off my debt, cut up my credit cards and try to live within my means. but there will be money left over. I understand that I have 60 days to put it in an ira to avoid part of a 10% penalty.

this is my question: if I put it in an ira and that tanks like my 401 was doing, then I'll have nothing, right? if I pay the penalty, I'll have whatever's left over. that's seeming like a better way to go to me. what should I do? do I have other options?

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You have a variety of options at your disposal.

If you do not currently own a house you can use it, without penalty, for a down payment on a first home.

However, while it is tempting to pull it out and pay down debt, which if it was a large cash distribution, is what I would suggest; with 401K money that is not as wise. With a 401K the laws are set up such that you would pay a huge penalty for early withdrawl - the regular tax rate PLUS a ten percent penalty.

However, leaving it in dollar denominated assets would be insane in the current inflationary environment. (Real inflation is somewhere over 10% and likely well over. I have seen the figure 13% but that was before the FED starting pumping Billions of liquid dollars into an already inflated environment.

You can, contrary to popular myth, purchase gold in an IRA. I would suggest that would be wise for at least 40% of your money. Gold, with inflation factored in, is still well below its historic high.

Swiss Franc denominated assets, the Swiss Franc IS backed by Gold, would be a safer harbor. Doing that directly from an IRA is unlikely. However, one of my favorite dodges here is a Closed Ended Mutual Fund called the Swiss Helvetia Fund. If you are not familiar with Closed End Mutual Funds - they, unlike a standard mutual fund which issues an open ended number of shares as people buy in, have a fixed number of shares which are issued in an initial offering like any other stock and then traded on a Stock Exchange. The Swiss Helvetia Fund, which is a single country fund invested in Swiss companies, and regularly pays a dividend, is sold on the NYSE. It has long been one of my favorites as it is soundly managed, and it operates in Swiss Francs thus isolating you from dollar risk. While, with a general stock market crash, the share value could go down on the exchange the assets of the fund will still be backed by Swiss Francs and is likely to retain its Net Asset Value. With only 68K to invest I would suggest a prudent move would be 30K in Gold and 38K in the Swiss Helvetia Fund.

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