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Title: vanity: 401k help please!
Source: me
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Published: Jan 29, 2008
Author: me
Post Date: 2008-01-29 23:32:47 by kiki
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Views: 463
Comments: 12

ok, I have this 401k from a job I had a few years back. I left the job and left the 401 account, and kinda forgot about it. my current job doesn't have a plan.

I'm horrible with money and have a good deal of high interest credit card debt.

so last week, I was home sick and bored and actually opened a 401 statement and was shocked on several levels. first, I was surprised at how much money was in it, not a fortune (about 68k) but way more than I ever paid into it. second, in the last quarter of last year it lost a little more than 6%.

so I thought why am I carrying debt and paying all this interest while this money is sitting there, gradually being depleted? I called and told them to send it to me. they made me talk to a counselor, who was good but couldn't change my mind.

I also found out it's lost another 4% in january, since the statement I was looking at. I wish I'd gotten it last september, but then I'd be dealing with it on this year's taxes.

so I will get this check and pay off my debt, cut up my credit cards and try to live within my means. but there will be money left over. I understand that I have 60 days to put it in an ira to avoid part of a 10% penalty.

this is my question: if I put it in an ira and that tanks like my 401 was doing, then I'll have nothing, right? if I pay the penalty, I'll have whatever's left over. that's seeming like a better way to go to me. what should I do? do I have other options?

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#8. To: kiki (#0)

However, while it is tempting to pull it out and pay down debt, which if it was a large cash distribution, is what I would suggest; with 401K money that is not as wise. With a 401K the laws are set up such that you would pay a huge penalty for early withdrawl - the regular tax rate PLUS a ten percent penalty.

The above is great advice. Explore all your options before you pay these huge penalties.

First, ask the question:
after paying all the taxes and all the penalties, how much will you actually get.

Some 401K's will allow you to move your money from stocks into funds that are very low risk,like bank savings account risk.

Some 401K's will allow you to borrow from your 401K with no penalty, and then you pay your loan back paying yourself interest.

If that is an option, you might consider borrowing your 401K money and paying off your high interest debt with the loan. You'll be getting a guaranteed rate of return on the amount you borrow.

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#9. To: honway, kiki (#8)

Some 401K's will allow you to borrow from your 401K with no penalty, and then you pay your loan back paying yourself interest.

If that is an option, you might consider borrowing your 401K money and paying off your high interest debt with the loan. You'll be getting a guaranteed rate of return on the amount you borrow.

That is an excellent point.

Paying yourself back, at say 6%, is better than paying the Credit Card Company 18-23%. You get rid of the debt and the extra interest paid back into the account is an extra contribution to the account - which accumulates tax free. Credit Cards are a money sink and should only be used for emergencies and otherwise should be paid off monthly.

However, under all other scenarios I am very Bearish on the dollar. The FED, and Duhbya, are pumping cash into circulation at a rate that makes any conventional paper investment a certified loser. The effective inflation rate is well over 10 percent. Gold is holding at over 900 dollars an ounce (It closed at 923 today) - 6 years ago it was under 300 dollars an ounce (bottom was 248). That reflects an inflation premium. Silver is moving very slowly and has more room to move up and so may be a better buy at this point. Silver is still 10 dollars an ounce above the 7 dollars it was at 6 years ago. Gold and Silver will hold value in an inflationary evironment. Gold could very easily top 1200 to 1500 dollars within the next year.

Any standard Paper Investment yielding less that 12% OR BETTER is losing value by the minute.

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