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Title: OBAMA GETTING HIGH ON THE DOWN LOW
Source: YOU TUBE
URL Source: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVeFVtcdSYY
Published: Jan 30, 2008
Author: HOUNDDAWG Q. SCHWARTZ
Post Date: 2008-01-30 23:36:37 by HOUNDDAWG
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The "respectable" media ignores this the same way they ignored Clinton's "bimbo eruptions" before he was elected.

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#43. To: Cynicom (#41)

Viewing Obama and his candidacy have you considered the possibility he might be being used?

Never occurred to me for a moment.

By whom, pray tell.

BTW, whoever made the choice sure did a hell of job, no?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   21:39:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: iconoclast (#43)

Never occurred to me for a moment.

Well Sir, take a day or two and give it some thought. It is strictly a civil intellectual discussion.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   21:41:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: Cynicom (#41)

Some of us here have been discussing this for awhile and I will not question your view.

I'm astonished! /sarc

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   21:44:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: iconoclast (#42)

No, your friend would miss the cut. To be an elitist one would either be a politician or a man who pushes politicians in front of the masses for the national 4 year presidential ritual. Obama is the flavor of the month; an empty vessel willing to be filled by those in power to be used as an offering to those without power. I can't think of one president in my lifetime who has changed the nation or my personal standing for the better. What I have and what I am is in spite of their gobs of socialism. The problem now is that the snowball is rolling down the hill at warp speed and government will soon be so large that personal options will be thought of as historical relics. Such thought shouldn't be welcomed by rational thinkers.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-25   21:47:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast (#45)

I'm astonished! /sarc

Astonished by what?

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   21:51:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: Cynicom (#43)

Viewing Obama and his candidacy have you considered the possibility he might be being used?

By whom, pray tell?

A simple and sincere question.

What is your problem with such?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   22:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: iconoclast (#48)

A simple and sincere question.

You say the thought never occurred to you. That sort of prohibits any input from you. You might think about it.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   22:15:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Jethro Tull (#46)

The problem now is that the snowball is rolling down the hill at warp speed and government will soon be so large that personal options will be thought of as historical relics.

We have elections every two years.

Don't be too hasty at cutting your throat, you're a pretty nice guy at heart.

I heard this same nonsense from el Rushbo, et al., in '92 (i.e. the red flag and hammer and sickle would be flying over the White House in the bat of an eye. Incidentally, though not nuts about Poppy, I never had a thought of voting for Bubba).

Take a deep breath.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   22:18:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: Cynicom (#49)

A simple and sincere question.

You say the thought never occurred to you. That sort of prohibits any input from you. You might think about it.

It's input that is being requested of you. Now I place myself humbly beneath you (ref. your previous attempt at a sarcastic put down).

So, I beg you now to reveal the "secrets" of the private inner sanctum discussions.

Or, just STFU.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   22:29:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: iconoclast (#51)

Or, just STFU.

Sorry to see vulgar language used here.

You have a pleasant evening.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   22:35:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: iconoclast, robin, Cynicom (#50)

i.e. the red flag and hammer and sickle would be flying over the White House in the bat of an eye.

Rush helped usher in more collectivism with Shrub than Bubba ever imagined he could do. Then again, I think they're working together.

Bush Clinton Bush Clinton Administration

Chuck Baldwin: The Bush-Clinton Dynasty.

The real challenge is to recognize similar patterns in the current political situation.

  1. Accept that there is motive for "continuity of the dynasty."
  2. Understand that CFR affiliation is a sure sign of cooperation with the dynasty.
  3. Realize that the press is dominated by CFR members.
Obama's wife is CFR. He's CFR. He's got Zbigniew Brzezinski on the team. (Did you know that possibly a half million Indonesians were killed with the joint British-US backed Islamic operations against communists in the 1960s? Zbig was involved, learning to play chess on the grand chessboard.)

Supporting Obama because he sounds good is just giving the CFR a mandate. Just by refusing to vote you are saying "no."

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-25   22:35:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Cynicom (#52)

Sorry to see vulgar language used here.

Ah, at your pompous, no answer best. :-)

Adios.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   22:39:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: buckeye (#53)

Supporting Obama because he sounds good is just giving the CFR a mandate. Just by refusing to vote you are saying "no."

I think I'll save that for the next time someone brings up Obama's "present" votes. ;-)

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   22:43:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: iconoclast (#55)

Obama might surprise us, but he has gotten where he is today on his CFR connections. That should send chills down our spines.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-25   22:44:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: iconoclast (#54)

Ah, at your pompous, no answer best. :-)

Just perhaps your Father should have spent less time on political correctness and more on teaching of social manners. That lack has been liberally demonstrated.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   22:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: Cynicom, iconoclast (#57)

Time is going to sort this argument out, I think. The two of you have plenty of common ground, even if you don't agree on everything.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-25   22:52:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: iconoclast (#50)

Winter onset asthma is limiting my deep breaths, but I'll work with what I got :)

I still have no clue what the man has done, only what he plans on doing (a continued redistribution of wealth).

The 4-year dance I was referring to was on the presidential level. Now, on Obama's plus side, if he can make the Klinton's disappear, that's a plus.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-25   22:53:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: iconoclast, Jethro Tull, auzero, noone222, freepatriot32, iconoclast, aristeides, castletrash, ghostdogtxn (#36)

Excuse me while I go take a shower.

The fact that you apparently look upon any system-approved selectee favorably while accepting the manufactured image without suspicion or skepticism would indicate that you're either hopelessly maladjusted or tragically naive.

There is no third possibility.

And, your attempts to elevate him with the shameless use of white guilt is proof of your immoral pragmatism, and America has suffered quite enough because of that, thank very much.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-26   9:11:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: buckeye (#53)

Obama's wife is CFR. He's CFR.

Which CFR member or members told Obama that war in Iraq was a dumb idea and why didn't they (apparently) tell the rest of the CFR politicians (who are legion)?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-26   9:18:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: HOUNDDAWG (#60)

immoral pragmatism

A truly unusual and unique pairing of words.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-26   9:28:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: HOUNDDAWG (#60)

Larry Sinclair Polygraph Test Indicates "Deception" In Obama Claims.

What makes me think you guys are not going to apologize?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-26   10:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: aristeides (#63)

Larry Sinclair Polygraph Test Indicates "Deception" In Obama Claims.

Good post, ari.

Wouldn't it be refreshing to see some honest to goodness criticism of Barack's record and/or public statements instead of the repetition of Clinton/Rove patented smear tactics?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-26   10:37:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: iconoclast (#39)

Keep 'em in their place, eh?

Just NIMBY.

Never mind their track record or accomplishments?

For blacks as a group it's mostly an optical illusion. Those accomplishments can only happen at all in a predominately white society. But there are two black men I would consider voting for. Unfortunately they'd never want the job.

As we meandered our way through the ever busy Bree Street, Harry could not help observing how filthy downtown Johannesburg had become. I had made the same disturbing observation myself the day I arrived, but had been reluctant to accept the disturbing fact that decay of public infrastructure seems to be the story in areas of the city inhabited by blacks. Predominantly black areas have become an eyesore. The beautiful lawns and flowerbeds I noticed in some areas three years earlier now tell sad stories of degradation. Some of them have become open-air urinals.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-26   10:59:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: iconoclast (#61)

Which CFR member or members told Obama that war in Iraq was a dumb idea and why didn't they (apparently) tell the rest of the CFR politicians (who are legion)?

First you're assuming he means what he's saying. I wouldn't do that with a CFR-affiliated candidate. Second, you're assuming that he hasn't talked out of both sides of his mouth on this issue (he has). Just like the NAFTA commentary recently where he criticized Hillary for supporting it, but basically said we couldn't abolish it, he has also said that he would not give a timetable for our departure from Iraq.

In other words, he's just like all the others.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:15:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: buckeye (#66) (Edited)

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income – to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression.

That’s what I’m opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics.

Before we invaded and bombed Iraq, when it was not popular to do so, Obama spoke out against the war in Iraq.

Delivered on Wednesday, October 2, 2002 by Barack Obama, Illinois State Senator, at the first high-profile Chicago anti-Iraq war rall

en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

I know I've posted this before, I apologize if you have already read it.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-26   19:22:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: iconoclast (#61)

Which CFR member or members told Obama that war in Iraq was a dumb idea and why didn't they (apparently) tell the rest of the CFR politicians (who are legion)?

Actually, Zbig Brzezinski was saying that it was a dumb idea from the start. I remember him saying it on CNN a few weeks after the invasion started.

Not that many politicians may have acted on that belief, but, according to Lincoln Chafee, most Democrats in Congress privately shared it.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-26   19:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: robin (#67)

Before we invaded and bombed Iraq, when it was not popular to do so, Obama spoke out against the war in Iraq.

The globalists take a very longterm view of our political systems. They know that war is very unpopular. For example, Woodrow Wilson was swept into his second, fateful term, on the slogan "he kept us out of war."

Just because a candidate affiliated with the globalists expresses an opinion that appears contrary to a single, unique goal that has already been realized, does not mean that they disagree with the underlying principles of moving the planet toward global government.

We take the Iraq war very seriously, but it is just another brick in the wall to the globalists.

The real problems are twofold:

  1. The stated goals of the CFR are diametrically opposed to individual liberties and America's national sovereignty.
  2. The lack of accountability for the CFR's influence means that shadowy groups can impose policy on our government without public knowledge.
I find it impossible to support anyone appearing to be the lesser of two CFR evils.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:30:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: aristeides (#68)

Actually, Zbig Brzezinski was saying that it was a dumb idea from the start.

If all you care about is the Iraq war, this might be significant.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:31:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: buckeye (#69)

I find it impossible to support anyone appearing to be the lesser of two CFR evils.

Who was the last president that you supported? Calvin Coolidge?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-26   19:32:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: buckeye (#70) (Edited)

If all you care about is the Iraq war, this might be significant.

The Iraq war is not all that I care about. Brzezinski has been making other sensible suggestions, like the desirability of negotiating with Iran, and of establishing a peace in Israel/Palestine. You can read all about it in his book The Choice.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-26   19:34:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: aristeides (#71)

Why do I need to support anyone for President when they are each being selected by sworn enemies of the Republic?

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: buckeye (#69)

Then why didn't Hillary oppose the war in 2002 like Obama?

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-26   19:34:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: buckeye (#73)

Yeah, sure, we're supposed to take seriously someone who thinks Ike and JFK were selected by sworn enemies of the Republic.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-26   19:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: robin (#74)

How would that be relevant? For those who follow the Hegelian dialectic, each juncture in history is an opportunity. There will always be more chances to shape the future. They can afford to take a very long view.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:37:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: aristeides (#75)

I don't see the relevance of that remark to this discussion.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:39:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: buckeye (#76)

The globalists take a very longterm view of our political systems. They know that war is very unpopular.

If this is true, then why didn't the other CFR liberal candidate Hillary take this position in 2002?

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-26   19:40:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: robin (#78)

She's losing the election, isn't she?

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: buckeye (#79)

Yes, so if the CFR is so farsighted and in total control of all the candidates then how could they not have warned her to not support the war.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-26   19:44:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: robin (#80)

They don't need any single candidate (clearly they have many, including Obama/McCain/Hillary/Romney/Huckabee/Edwards and so forth), and the Iraq war could have been started at a different time.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:48:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: buckeye (#81)

So you won't give Obama any credit for having spoken out forcefully against the Iraq war in 2002, even naming Wolfowitz and Perle by name (now that was really an unpopular thing to do)? Because in your opinion, he was following the orders of CFR?

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-26   19:50:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: robin (#82)

Iraq is quickly moving into the past. We must keep our eyes on the future. Obama has discussed invading Pakistan, and he has talked of sending billions of dollars in US aid to Africa. He has also talked about using US troops under UN command in Africa. These are future areas of conflict, and Obama has left himself wide open to movement in that area. He also has our stay in Iraq covered, because he has declined to give a time line for withdrawal.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-26   19:53:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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