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Title: citizen of the United States -- How? Why?
Source: His Holy Church
URL Source: http://www.hisholychurch.org/news/articles/planb.html
Published: Feb 2, 2008
Author: Brother Gregory
Post Date: 2008-02-02 16:10:08 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 134
Comments: 9

citizen of the United States

It does not matter how much or how long you have been studying, only what you have the humility to see and learn.

Someone wrote me with the statements , "Do you live in the USA, and where you born in the USA? You are a citizen of the USA. " and believed they knew what they were talking about because they have already decided they knew.

The truth is that -- "Merely being native born within the territorial boundaries of the United States of America does not make such an inhabitant a Citizen of the United States subject to the jurisdiction of the Fourteenth Amendment." Elk vs.. Wilkins, Neb (1884), 5s.ct.41,112 U.S. 99, 28 L. Ed. 643.

There is no reason that you should not have known this after 30 years of research except that you choose not to learn it.

It was true that the -- "People of a state are entitled to all rights which formerly belonged to the king by his prerogative." Lansing vs Smith 21 D. 89...4 Wendell 9, 20 (1829)

And -- "In one sense, the term `sovereign' has for its correlative `subject.' In this sense, the term can receive no application; for it has no object in the [Original] Constitution of the United States. Under that Constitution there are citizens, but no subjects." Chishom v.Georgia, 2 Dall. (U.S.) 419,455, 1L Ed 440 (1793).

But this was only true in those early days:

"For when the [so called American] revolution took place, the people of each state became themselves sovereign; and in that character hold the absolute right to all their navigable waters, and the soils under them, for their own common use, subject only to the rights since surrendered by the constitution to the general government." Martin vs Waddell, 41 US (16 Pet) 367, 410 (1842)

Surrendered to the United States? Have rights been surrendered? How is this done?

The truth is things are surrendered by the same old methods. What should have been for your welfare has become a snare.

Then there was a new type of citizenship offered as members of a political society in the midst of a once free Republic.

"In the United States citizenship is defined in the fourteenth amendment to the Constitution as: `All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof are citizens of the United States and the States wherein they reside.'" Quincy vs.. Duncan. 4Har.(Del.) 383; etc. (see Black's 3rd.)

Today, "in the United States `it [citizenship] is a political obligation' depending not on ownership of land, but on the enjoyment of the protection of government; and it `binds the citizen to the observance of all laws' of his sovereign." Wallace v. Harmstad, 44 Pa. 492; etc. Black's 3rd Ed. p. 95.

"Protection draws to it subjection; subjection protection"

Originally, citizenship did not include the title or sense of subject, but later in the United States, we see a citizenship binding subjects to the laws of a "sovereign". "Citizenship is membership in a political society and implies a duty of allegiance on the part of the member and a duty of protection on the part of the society. These are reciprocal obligations, one being a compensation for the other." Luria v. U.S., 231 U.S. 9, 34 S. Ct. 10,13, 58 L.Ed. 101.(see Black's 3rd.)

"A person born in the United States has rights under this amendment (the 14th) to remain a citizen unless he voluntarily relinquishes the citizenship." Baker v Rusk, Cal. (1969) 236 F. Supp. 1244; Reynolds v. Haskin, C.A.A. Kan. 1925, 8 F. 2d 473.

Being born in the United States by law does not make you a citizen of the United States. Those should be basics in our understanding.

Membership in the United States is a choice. People do not understand that they make that choice as a matter of faith.

As I said, the United States is not a Republic but an indirect democracy created in a republic.

"I believe in the United States of America as a government… whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed: a democracy in a republic." The American Creed.

Citizen vs. Citizen www.hisholyc http://hurch.net/ study/gods/ cvc.htm

Peace on your house

Gregory@hisholychurch.org

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

Hello

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-02   16:15:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: FOH (#1)

Bad Lockeans fire me up.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-02   16:19:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: buckeye (#2)

Fire up!

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-02   16:26:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: FOH (#1)

Hello

Hello yer ownself.

Find anything of interest? Useful? Meaningful?

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-02   16:32:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: richard9151 (#4)

sovereign man?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-02   16:36:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: FOH (#5)

sovereign man?

No, sorry, I have a King.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-02   17:13:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: richard9151, FOH (#4)

"I believe in the United States of America as a government… whose just powers are derived from the consent of the governed: a democracy in a republic." The American Creed.

Yes, hell yes. What's more, liberty comes from our inborn nature as human beings and not from the whims and fancies of mob rule, as we have now. Anarchy permitted or forced upon the citizenry by the leaders was a reason to dissolve government, as far as Locke was concerned.

Surrendered to the United States? Have rights been surrendered? How is this done?
Yes, and as Ryan McMaken argues in a piece on Patrick Henry at lewrockwell.com, it is hard to "look back" and see that he was wrong in saying that he smelled a rat. He refused to sign the constitution at the convention. And with amendments such as the fourteenth, there can be no doubt that our personal liberties have been surrendered in great strides, as well as by degrees.

What can be more important than teaching our fellow Americans that their liberties have been scrapped by the Constitution itself? It's a bedrock of tyranny on which they base their blind trust in government. The Constitution will not save us. It is a defective piece of paper.

And as Carry_Okie argues in Kelo and the 14th Amendment: Exploring a Constitutional Koan , the defects were added intentionally.

I will go a step further. The American Revolution against the colonial British rule was imperfect because it did not abolish the slavery that the British corporations had implanted into our economic system. The corporate structures themselves, which were given personhood and constitutional rights by the 14th amendment, ensured that the crown's intent to secure control over its former colonies could be realized one day.

The revolution isn't complete yet. We are losing ground to the Tories every day.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-02   19:10:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: buckeye (#7)

because it did not abolish the slavery that the British corporations

It is interesting to read the so-called 13th amendment and really understand what it means. Really understand why they modified the word slavery with involuntary.

Meaning that voluntary slavery is perfectly legal.

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-02   19:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: richard9151 (#8)

Flawed from the start, it only got worse as those who had sacrificed nothing were permitted to amend the document.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-02   19:28:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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