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Title: Six Dead In Missouri City Hall Shooting; Two police officers and three city officials including the Mayor...
Source: Reuters
URL Source: http://www.reuters.com/article/domesticNews/idUSN0743157520080208
Published: Feb 8, 2008
Author: Reuters
Post Date: 2008-02-08 00:30:55 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 1050
Comments: 51

KIRKWOOD, Missouri (Reuters) - A gunman killed two police officers and three city officials on Thursday night when he stormed into a city council meeting in a suburb of St. Louis, police said.

The gunman, who was later shot dead by police, killed one police officer in the parking lot outside City Hall in Kirkwood and killed another inside the building.

He rushed into the council meeting and began shooting people, including council officials and Mayor Mike Swoboda, who suffered a gunshot wound to the head and was in critical condition, police said.

"He shot three other people who were attending the council meeting. They also are deceased," the St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper quoted Officer Tracy Panus as saying.

Two of the dead were council members and the other was an engineer, police said.

Witnesses said the gunman was a middle-aged local contractor who had feuded with the city council in the past and had twice been arrested for disrupting meetings in 2006.

Kirkwood is an upscale suburb around 15 miles southwest of St Louis.

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#21. To: Brian S (#0) (Edited)

I just looked at the mayor and council, and they appear to be a bunch of Republicans.

The town has an ordinance to regulate how long they have to dispose of a newborn litter of kittens so as not to exceed the three-cat rule.

As with many small, corporate governments they are probably a pain in the ass.

I see the mayor was elected in 1976, took an 8 year break between 84 and 92, and has served since.

Of course the news report is slanted, but if the shooter was a disruptive, childish, pain in the ass who wouldn't take no for an answer and wouldn't allow the council to conduct business when he wished to dominate the agenda, then I would have had little sympathy for him.

He could have done what we did when we found the Newport, DE town govt unsatisfactory-move out of town and let the rest of the residents have the govt they deserve.

I take no pleasure in this senseless act. Whatever the grievance it couldn't possibly warrant this violence.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-08   1:52:01 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: HOUNDDAWG (#21) (Edited)

Whatever the grievance it couldn't possibly warrant this violence.

Do you think it's simply a matter of the local activities ? Are we to forget WACO and RUBY RIDGE ? Do government organs get a special waiver (immunity) from their deeds ? When it comes right down to it, WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS CATCHING UP TO DO !!!

It looks to me that many politicians aren't able to cope with the inherent power of their office in a respectable manner. When a citizen that might get tongue twisted or may stutter when speaking before a large audience is cut-off, asked to leave, laughed at or ignored, where is the redress ?

I've noticed that many small towns are now implementing "ordinances" that appear to be straight out of Agenda 21, and contrary to the way things had normally been.

The more intrusive the governing authorities become on all levels ... the more violence we will see. Cameras, check-points, bio-metrics, finger scanning the "kids", forced vaccinations, strip searches at the mall, dna samples taken at routine traffic stops ... gimme a break, this revolution is 50 years late.

noone222  posted on  2008-02-08   3:46:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: noone222 (#23)

Do you think it's simply a matter of the local activities ? Are we to forget WACO and RUBY RIDGE ? Do government organs get a special waiver (immunity) from their deeds ? When it comes right down to it, WE HAVE SOME SERIOUS CATCHING UP TO DO !!!

Well, I certainly agree in principle.

But, my reading of the article left me with the impression that this disgruntled contractor was "settling the score" for perceived wrongs at the local level. His theatrics and sophomoric insults directed toward the mayor, and sitting down on the floor after his alloted time had elapsed and forcing the police to remove him just reminds me of the grumpy, childish, "I want what I want when I want it" types that I've seen at town meetings here.

If they had a legit complaint the majority of the council would more often than not agree with them. But, some folks channel their frustrations about the evil feds, the NWO, The Rockefellers, etc., toward niddly shit town govt people, and as often as not those who complain incessantly are simply bullying folks because they can, all the while thinking of themselves as local heroes instead of the disruptive, anti social,, arrested development buttheads that they are.

I don't share the view that a city meter maid or building inspector be shot with a sniper rifle to even the score for what Lon Horiuchi did at Ruby Ridge.

To advocate such would be to forfeit the high moral ground and simply reduce one's self to a mutual combatant in a battle of competing evils.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-08   9:13:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: HOUNDDAWG (#35)

I don't share the view that a city meter maid or building inspector be shot with a sniper rifle to even the score for what Lon Horiuchi did at Ruby Ridge.

To advocate such would be to forfeit the high moral ground and simply reduce one's self to a mutual combatant in a battle of competing evils.

You are correct. It would be wrong to kill someone just because they happen to work for some level of government. Lon Horiuchi is the murderer who should be punished for what he did at Ruby Ridge. Instead they promoted the murdering bastard. But he WILL pay for his crimes, he can be sure of that. If not in this life then in the next one.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-08   9:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: James Deffenbach (#39) (Edited)

I don't share the view that a city meter maid or building inspector be shot with a sniper rifle to even the score for what Lon Horiuchi did at Ruby Ridge.

To advocate such would be to forfeit the high moral ground and simply reduce one's self to a mutual combatant in a battle of competing evils.

You are correct. It would be wrong to kill someone just because they happen to work for some level of government. Lon Horiuchi is the murderer who should be punished for what he did at Ruby Ridge. Instead they promoted the murdering bastard. But he WILL pay for his crimes, he can be sure of that. If not in this life then in the next one.

Horiuchi is the esteemed guest of honor at law enforcement and govt gun goon dinners and seminars.

You'd think he was a bloody combat survivor like Audie Murphy rather than the most famous gallery shooter in the govt's stable of willing assassins of unarmed women who are "threats to the International Bankers' Way!"

The irony is Horiuchi was aiming to mortally wound Kevin Harris but killed Vicki Weaver as she held a "supremist's" baby. (collateral damage at worst) And for this marksmanship, while acting under now-disgraced rules of engagement (which should have exposed the FBI agents to criminal prosecution under Idaho law) he is given awards and kisses on both cheeks. Horiuchi requires no psychological counseling because those he shot were only white cultists and sworn adversaries of the govt that gives minorities state of the art weapons and licenses to kill any white resister in general, and especially those who don't love him.

The 9th circuit has confirmed the unwritten principle that no federal agent acting "in good faith" ("I was just following orders!"-didn't fly at Nuremberg but that was then and this is now) can commit murder under state laws no matter who he or she murders. This was expanded to include Blackwater contractors as they roamed the flood-stricken City Of New Orleans looking for moving targets. They were sent in with M4s and MP5s instead of insulin, oxygen, drinking water or bandages. Now, why was that?

Sadly, America stamped her approval on the systematic killing of poor blacks when we sat on our asses and did nothing as the govt trumpeted these heinous acts.

Cuba offered 100 doctors and Bush declined and we did nothing. (Bush was confident that poor blacks would rather be dead than have to say "Thank You" to "The Beard". In any event Bush wasn't about to say it, so they were doomed from the start)

WAL MART sent a tractor trailer loaded with bottled water and it was declined and we did nothing.

FLA sportsmen towed their john boats and air boats all the way to Louisiana boat ramps and were not allowed to launch to rescue survivors and still America did nothing.

It should come as no surprise if the world fails to rally in support of stricken Americans should natural or planned disaster befall us.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-08   14:46:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#49. To: HOUNDDAWG (#45)

Yes, you are correct. The government has gotten by with far too much. Gordon Kahl, Ruby Ridge, Waco, the disaster in New Orleans and the disaster that is Bush (and Clinton). This country is getting close to, if not already on, its last trip around the bowl.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-08 16:29:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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