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Title: Should Dueling be Legal?
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Published: Feb 8, 2008
Author: YT
Post Date: 2008-02-08 20:41:41 by YertleTurtle
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I say yes. I would call out John Podhoretz, Doug Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, David Frum, and every other neocon. Would they act as they do if they were...let's see...dead?
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#1. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Which president was it that was into dueling?
Aaron Burr and someone......
Alexander Hamilton but it seems like there was another one that was always getting into duels. I'll go look it up. Google was no help for once.
Yes.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#2. To: farmfriend (#1)
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Aaron Burr and someone......
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#4. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Should Dueling be Legal?
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#5. To: farmfriend (#3)
Andrew Jackson fought 13 duels: Alexander Hamilton but it seems like there was another one that was always getting into duels.
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#6. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Why not, abortion and euthanasia are legal....
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
#7. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Call out and duel them? Hell no, deport them to Israel, never to return under pain of death!
I would call out John Podhoretz, Doug Feith, Paul Wolfowitz, David Frum, and every other neocon.
#8. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
To defend non existent honor? More often than not rude, boorish people with superior dueling skills would refuse to apologize, claiming that their honor had been offended, and, dueling only reinforced their anti social behavior. And, fear of a man's pistol skills were substituted for respect. Why should someone with nothing to lose be permitted to call out those they envy, who have a lot going for them?
Should Dueling be Legal?
"'Schools is educationy' ; A message from our president."
#9. To: HOUNDDAWG (#8) (Edited)
Many years ago I saw a quick-draw artist on TV. They showed how fast he was. BAM, just like that. He said duelists years ago would have never stood a chance. Rude, boorish people are usually bullies and cowards. They don't have the skills or nerves to be good duelists. They'd lose, and it would be a better world. Take the Old West. There wasn't that much dueling, and the best ones, like Bill Hickok, weren't bullies. In fact, he was involved in only one quick-draw duel. There would be very little dueling if it was legal. And cowards -- which is exactly what the neocons are -- would never do it. But they would lose honor and have to leave. Hickok used to post a list of names on a tree. "Get out of town by sundown, or I'll kill you." They left. If that was legal these days, there are a lot of chickenhawk, chickenshit cowards in D.C. who would be long gone. "By ritualizing violence in a punctilious grammar of honor, as it were, duels were supposed to prevent potential chaos. That scourge of public and familial order, the blood feud, could be avoided under the problematic idea that a man's sullied reputation would thereby be restored." This war in Iraq is a blood feud, and Dubya and his crew are too stupid to know it.
More often than not rude, boorish people with superior dueling skills would refuse to apologize
If you do not know who you are, you are maimed.- Jimmy Cantrell
#10. To: HOUNDDAWG (#8)
I don't know too much about it, but it seems that "I challenge you to a duel" is part of free speech and presumably can be ignored.
be permitted to call out those they envy
#11. To: Rich (#5)
Interesting man, Jackson was. Anyway, now that I perhaps may understand bankers better, it seems that there is a pattern of personality traits that go along with presidential bank- bashers, and one of them is apparently a strong desire to supposedly "preserve the union." Makes me wonder whether the bank-bashing was an act. ... and these guys, they seem to always end up on FRNs.
#12. To: Rich (#5)
Hmmm well maybe he is the one I was thinking about then. I never did go look it up.
Andrew Jackson fought 13 duels:
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#13. To: YertleTurtle (#9)
Might help with our gang activity. They could go out and legally kill each other. Works for me.
There would be very little dueling if it was legal.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#14. To: YertleTurtle (#0)
Absolutely, but only between people of some social groups. Just imagine the horror where homeless and poor people constantly challenge billionaires to duels. USA could become a country without a very rich elite. Where would all that money go?
Should Dueling be Legal?
#15. To: gord (#14)
They could give it to me to train them to shoot. I'm a natural shot, and a very good one.
Where would all that money go?
If you do not know who you are, you are maimed.- Jimmy Cantrell
#16. To: nobody (#10)
It's against the law in California, and with good reason. In the six years that I lived there I saw so many pointless homicides because of cultural insults and imperatives that I don't even understand. I saw people who were murdered and maimed for the silliest of reasons, but had they "been the bigger man and walked away" (as alien to their culture as spider web tats on the face are to mine) they'd have been forever punked in their gang controlled enclaves. I stopped in a hospital room (I worked in a hospital there) to meet a 16 yr old Mexican American who had been shot in the thigh with a load of bird shot, and believe me, the sight of over 300 holes in a boy's leg was something I won't forget. He wasn't a gang banger when he was shot, he was just in the wrong place at the wrong time. But, once he was given the gang equivalent of a bronze star by being wounded with a shotgun and surviving, he was a gang banger the next time I saw him. His mom did her best to keep him out, but just being a Chicano in Pico Rivera forced him to pick a team and be willing to die for their non existent honor. There are many cultures in The US, and if the practice of dueling were given legal cover there would be too many senseless deaths and it would cheapen human life the way it already is in Los Angeles. Armenians, Russians, Asians and Hispanics to name a few would make it a rite of passage. And, the concept of earning others' respect would be indistinguishable from fear. I knew too many murderers and cutthroats there who had no fear of incarceration, but were deathly afraid of being reduced in the eyes of their peers. One Chicano guy I knew owned had his own detective agency and guard company, and while working in uniform at KING TACO in East LA one Friday night he took a bottle of beer away from a Mujado who proceeded to leave and return with a shotgun and shoot the guard's left hand. The wound resulted in amputation of the hand. The shooter went to prison but that was preferable to being humiliated in front of his homies by a "punk security guard". I shudder to think of all the frustrated people with little to lose who would escalate road rage into "legal duels". I'd prefer that those types remain criminals rather than allowing low class whites and 3rd world types to use a stupid, anachronistic tradition to provide lift under wings of senseless violence.
I don't know too much about it, but it seems that "I challenge you to a duel" is part of free speech and presumably can be ignored.
"'Schools is educationy' ; A message from our president."
#17. To: YertleTurtle (#15)
"Some men -- accurate shots in particular -- practically made careers of the duel. Among these men was Alexander McClung, who once killed an opponent at over 100 feet with a smoothbore pistol. This remarkable shot -- and subsequent killings at shorter distances -- honed McClung's fearful reputation. Yet it was said that he was haunted by the ghosts of his victims, and maybe this was so. The last man McClung killed with a pistol was himself, in 1855." They could give it to me to train them to shoot. I'm a natural shot, and a very good one.
"'Schools is educationy' ; A message from our president."
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