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Title: Message from Ron [he's a GOP through and through, will ease on prez campaigning]
Source: Ron Paul 2008
URL Source: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_ ... 8/2008/02/message-from-ro.html
Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Ron Paul
Post Date: 2008-02-09 08:26:19 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 6684
Comments: 315

Message from Ron

Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.

Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.

In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.

Sincerely,

Ron

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#196. To: Hayek Fan (#192) (Edited)

Gotcha. No harm, no foul. 10-4, over and out.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-09   21:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: angle (#190)

You mean like the ad we prepaid to run in the Manchester paper on the Sun b4 the primaries and "they forgot"? Those popular ads?

I haven't heard of the Paul campaign being denied ads in the media, have you? It's one thing for the media to ignore private citizen, but I believe there would be hell to pay if a candidate's official campaign was refused ad time.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-09   21:49:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Cynicom (#195)

I am as cynical as they come but I came away satisfied that human error (stupidity) was the culprit.

...and the rest of the media blackout? That was human error as well?

angle  posted on  2008-02-09   21:51:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: FormerLurker (#197) (Edited)

I haven't heard of the Paul campaign being denied ads in the media, have you? It's one thing for the media to ignore private citizen, but I believe there would be hell to pay if a candidate's official campaign was refused ad time.

It's happened 3 times that I know of.

One was a live broadcast when he was denied a seat at the Fox debate, the second was a paid newspaper ad that was inadvertently forgotten, then the following week, the 4um ad was inadvertently forgotten.

So, yeah, denied, yes. As to the number of questions and time allowed to answer, have you followed any of that? If not, you might be SHOCKED to learn, he didn't get equal time. As for being crossed off ballots, airbrushed from ads, left off ballots, not shown on front pages of major newpapers, yeah... that seems to fall in the category of denied.

Off the top of by pointy little head.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   21:52:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: angle (#198)

...and the rest of the media blackout? That was human error as well?

That's different.

Ron Paul is a turd now... get with it.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   21:53:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: angle (#198)

.and the rest of the media blackout? That was human error as well?

Certainly not.

I just wanted to clear up that one matter of interest because I was involved.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   21:54:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: FormerLurker (#180)

Do you have access to all the broadcast stations 24/7 and were you monitoring to see if any of his ads were showing? Was there advertising spaces available? Recall that this forum even tried to buy an ad, and it went south-- right after another person did the same thing.........without a legit reason why, other than 'they screwed up'.....an that was immediately before the election.

Air time, as I recall with radio and tv, just before elections was hard to come by. And Ron didn't have all the big bucks to even contemplate a lot of ads until the December bomb........so could that have arrived in time, or were guys like romney hoarding the airwaves?

Regarding the vote counts.......there could have been differences, but Ron's campaign did not find it to be so. They were right in the ballpark with what his polling showed they would garner. IIRC, he couldn't have gained enough to make a difference.

Part of the game is knowing when to hold em and to fold em. After all these years of being a student of history, I would hope that Ron knows which battles to choose to stand and fight vs backing off for another day and another chance at battle.

For what its worth, Ron's name is not, has not, nor will it be in the news--except if faux paux are made. Recall the debate where he got onto Ghouli re WOT, and Ghouli told Ron to retract what he had said--the snorting and snickering and laughing by media types--they hold him beneath contempt----but shut their friggin mouths when it was determined that what Ron said was exactly what the beloved 911 commission said! I've not heard a single one of them apologize or withdraw their stupid remarks.....they don't want his name out there. He shows the world how stupid they are. After all, it has been the media types who have told the sheeple for years that the economy, money and finances is too complicated to discuss is such a short time, blah blah blah......and now their ignorance is showing. No doubt, most of the glossy lipped blonde babes and the hairdo foo foo guys haven't a clue as to what a federal reserve note is; certainly no idea of what the gold standard is all about.....or that money is created out of thin air!

You wouldn't like somebody who was always making you aware of how stupid you are, would ya? BTW, I am not saying that you are stupid--I'm referring to the talking heads...

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   21:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: Cynicom (#189)

Oh, we agree on that Cyni........i have said that for ages........a two headed leviathan!

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   21:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: Peppa (#199)

One was a live broadcast when he was denied a seat at the Fox debate, the second was a paid newspaper ad that was inadvertently forgotten, then the following week, the 4um ad was inadvertently forgotten.

A) That wasn't paid advertising from the candidates, that was a "forum" run by Faux. And yes, I was one of the people waving RP signs out in the streets of Manchester that night.

B) I'm not sure what you're talking about on this one.

C) 4um is a private entity, it is not the official RP campaign.

I agree that he's been ignored by the media since the NH primary. BUT, you're not understanding my point. The point is that he did not campaign in NH like the other candidates did, and that is what I'm talking about.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-09   21:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: rowdee (#202)

You wouldn't like somebody who was always making you aware of how stupid you are, would ya?

I have to wonder in the months to come if Paul will indeed endorse McCain or if he will withhold. I would like to ask Paul that question, as a republican, will he endorse McCain.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   21:58:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: rowdee (#202)

Do you have access to all the broadcast stations 24/7 and were you monitoring to see if any of his ads were showing? Was there advertising spaces available? Recall that this forum even tried to buy an ad, and it went south-- right after another person did the same thing.........without a legit reason why, other than 'they screwed up'.....an that was immediately before the election.

All I saw on TV were Romney and Guiliani ads for awhile, and then McCain ads. Only days before the primary did I see Ron Paul ads on the more popular stations, yet they were few and far between.

And again, 4um is not the offical RP campaign. Perhaps the paper checked the site and had problems with running an ad from our 4um, with some of the posts that are made here concerning Jews and stuff, who knows.

Hey man, think what you want, whether it be wishful thinking or denial. I'm just reporting my observations, if that bothers you, then don't read what I write.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-09   22:02:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: rowdee (#202)

Rowdee,

There is hardly any sense in arguing with those clearly waiting for their chance to dump all over RP. They are picking apart that which they felt he should have done better, yet, when it was time to put the ad together for the 4um, who actually put their ass on the line with ideas and effort, not to mention cash. They know who they are. Now, the freeking asslicking vultures are here to pick the bones of what they believe a bird not to their liking, which tells me quite alot about their true motives. Waiting for a weakness to go in for the kill. This argument is not about RP the "republican", its about murdering off hope.

The yoke is heavier on them, than us.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:02:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: angle (#190)

You mean like the ad we prepaid to run in the Manchester paper on the Sun b4 the primaries and "they forgot"? Those popular ads?

It was an accident. LOL

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-09   22:03:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Peppa (#191)

Why? Because they don't like seeing themselves as a part of the problem-- because he speaks to that. If they can get rid of the consciences of decent people, then the debil will have a field day. Up is down, white is black, left is right, east is west--whatever they want it to be. And there is no one out there to correct them!

It has to stick in their collective craws everytime the raise issue comes up and Ron Paul speaks out against it.....without him there, there's a soothing effect--they can justify in their evil mind that they deserve it cause they work so hard, blah blah.

Spend more money--oh what the hell.........its just paper that someone is printing at our request; we don't have to worry about where it comes from, blah blah, and on and on.

Liars get habituated to lying and in no time it doesn't bother them. Even when people talk about lying--you can get them to agree it is wrong--but they don't see that what they are saying is a lie!

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   22:04:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: Peppa (#207)

The Internet bit Ron Paul, after feeding him so well. This can and does happen with new technology. It's not "friendly," it just is. And technology always comes with its foibles. I see bad blogging in this, even in both of these posts.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-09   22:06:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: Cynicom. RP friends here (#205)

I would like to ask Paul that question, as a republican, will he endorse McCain.

I wonder if McChurian will endorse RP when he gets the nomination.

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Lod  posted on  2008-02-09   22:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: FormerLurker (#204)

BUT, you're not understanding my point. The point is that he did not campaign in NH like the other candidates did, and that is what I'm talking about.

Your point is that he wasn't there for one little bitty primary. And since that time the front runners have all moved around like beebees in a boxcar. As if him being there would've made a difference in the long run.

I think his support was lost before NH. At least from what I see here.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:09:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: Peppa (#212)

It doesn't take your taser long to recharge.

buckeye  posted on  2008-02-09   22:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: Cynicom (#205)

If he does, that will be the defining moment for me because I have seen one of the youtube thingies, I think it was, where he indicated as it regards endorsing another candidate that they would have to change their way of thinking.

It is obvious that Mchurian would change for anything. He is hellbent on another 100 years of war.......and if Ron endorsed him, I personally will be sending him a letter letting him know exactly how, my own pure unadulterated gutter language, what a 'sleezeball' he had become, etc.

I don't believe we'll ever see it happen.............but then again, I was blown away by another person I held in high regard debating torture with Dirtyshitz.....only to find out my 'person' was all in favor of torture--they were just debating the 'finer' details of torture to use, i.e., do you pull the fingernails out in one sharp yank vs gently ripping them out a quarter inch at a time!

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   22:11:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: rowdee (#209)

Why? Because they don't like seeing themselves as a part of the problem-- because he speaks to that. If they can get rid of the consciences of decent people, then the debil will have a field day. Up is down, white is black, left is right, east is west--whatever they want it to be. And there is no one out there to correct them!

Agree with all you said.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:11:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: buckeye (#210)

I see bad blogging in this, even in both of these posts.

You're probably right.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:12:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: Cynicom (#205)

If he endoreses McCain, many of us will be vindicated about Paul. (Party over country to the end!)

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-09   22:12:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: buckeye (#213)

It doesn't take your taser long to recharge.

LOL! Geeze.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:13:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: IndieTX (#217) (Edited)

To: Cynicom If he endoreses McCain, many of us will be vindicated about Paul. (Party over country to the end!)

Can you name the many of you that held this position all along? Or could it be that since he did not run as an Indy, the many are still pissed? Yes Party over country, and all that.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:14:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: FormerLurker (#206)

l. I'm not a man :) 2. I'm only trying to set aside some of your concerns--my thinking that perhaps you don't live there, working would eliminate your ability to observe 24/7, etc, etc. 3. I've had some experience running a campaign, in that I was a candidate for a state house representative back in the 80s. I learned a lot about advertising back then, as well as how parties operate, fundraising, budgets, and the like. Not everyone has had that sort of experience to bring to the table. 4. If I've made you think I'm not interested in what you write, or your observations, I'm sorry because that is not my intent at all. I am trying to allay some of the concerns and fears that everyone has.

Peace.

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   22:15:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: Peppa, IndieTX (#219)

Can you name the many of you that held this position all along?

Paul with his email has indeed tacitly endorsed McCain. Whether he will do so openly is the question.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   22:19:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: Cynicom (#221)

Considering you are adverse to answering direct questions, I'll try this again.

Did you have proof in you hands that the ad was placed, or just a verbal confirmation?

Or perhaps you somehow KNEW Paul was an insider way back then and goaded the rest of us into some scheme to support him.

Now you fling around a claim that he HAS tacitly endorsed McCain.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:22:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: IndieTX (#217)

I still recall the sickening sight of Buchanan holding up Bob Dole's hand at the convention. I had given the ass more than a grand for the pleasure of becoming violently ill. Nothing a Republican does would come as a shock. The word Republican alone should be enough to make a decent man's skin crawl.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-09   22:23:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: Peppa (#207)

I can see and understand the frustration many have. Having been on a number of forums, I witnessed the agony of faithful followers of Patrick J. Buchanan getting their hopes dashed, likewise Alan Keyes people, and I had friends who were devoted to Ross Perot.

And then finally, someone comes down the pike that really has it all together, or seems so--he understands the Constitution, he understands the economy, he understands monetary policy, he understands foreign policy, he's delivered 4,000 plus babies..........and then we find out he's dumb as rocks campaigning.

We set aside his 10 runs for the Congress, and the previous 3rd party run for the presidency from our minds. Each of us have a pet 'thing' that the dems or reps wouldn't take a stand on or review, but we just know this guy is gonna make everything 'all right'.......and then he screws up and doesn't satisfy anyone's desires........or so it seems.

Where many were seeing light at the end of the tunnel, a damned cavein closed it off--at least in our minds. We ignore the fact that this guy doesn't have all the tools or equipment by himself to clear the tunnel........and we ignore the fact that by getting on the tracks that he's garnered a lot of new believers to all the realities we see around us.........and they'll help clean the cave in out for the next train thats coming through.

I know after I learned that Keyes didn't have a problem with torture, I was done with politics. But I wasn't done with politics--I was just done with backing HIM.

Yes, I understood and still understand the chance is small that Ron will become the 44th President.....if I just wanted a winner, I'd have jumped on the bandwagon of any number of rotten poltical hacks. But I have to be able to respect whomever I'm voting for..........and that comes from seeing that principles are practiced, not just talked about, etc.

So, I'm cutting some slack on the disappointed department personnel. :)

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   22:25:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: rowdee (#224)

So, I'm cutting some slack on the disappointed department personnel. :)

I can too, and that was a beautiful post. Rowdee, I come at this as a relative newbie, without 45 years experience seeing how the game is a fraud. Having taken counsel from those who have, that now, play the game they sought to destroy. Corralling people to see if they could. Sick.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:36:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: Peppa (#222)

Did you have proof in you hands that the ad was placed, or just a verbal confirmation?

I placed the ad. The editor after the fact read it to me verbatim at 11.30 PM on the 6th. Without the ad in hand she would have had zero knowledge. The ad manager was called after midnight for information and the errant employee could not be contacted.

They offered to run it on the 7th but we declined at which time the manager and publisher settled the affair to my satisfaction.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   22:37:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: Peppa (#212) (Edited)

Your point is that he wasn't there for one little bitty primary.

It's the primary that set the stage for the rest of the country. Up till then, RP WAS getting some coverage on various networks, including CNN and Fox.

Of course Juli Arnie and such were getting more coverage even though they scored lower than RP in the NH primary, but that was to be expected.

If Ron Paul had gone out and actively campaigned, speaking to the people and making campaign speeches to the public, then I think he would have done MUCH better to where he couldn't have so easily been ignored and "blackedout".

I DID see him in person close up, and to me, he seemed like a tired old guy and looked exhausted. I think perhaps he's just too old to have the energy to do what it takes to actively campaign, and that's the biggest reason he didn't do as well as we all hoped.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-09   22:38:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: christine (#121)

ok, Neil, for me, RP's declaration that he and his campaign concluded that vote fraud in NH didn't effect his results there did it for me. vote fraud was proven there and in the subsequent primaries. imo, that should have been his mantra--especially when he knew that he couldn't possibly secure the GOP nomination because of it. i just couldn't and can't get past that.

I read Ron's response to the NH fraud. His response seemed reasoned, at least. He considered the difference in vote totals between the diebold and non-diebold precincts and reasoned that they also shared differences in demographics, not just in having or not having diebold. Ron didn't claim to believe that there was no fraud, he instead claimed that it was plausible that the counts were accurate -- a very different thing.

That contrasted very much with his reaction in Louisiana where he was very vocal in contesting vote counting there. I would hope he would have scored points with you in LA.

To me, it's a question of when to defer to another's judgment when that person is someone you know is on your side, and know can be trusted. If they come in your front door and tell you a story about what happened to them in town, then if it's someone you trust, then the first thing you do is you believe them, not start doubting their story.

Vote fraud may well be rampant, but Ron has a long history of experience with the establishment. As I've said on this thread, Ron has "been there, done that", and he's definitely on our side. Because of that, I think it's a mistake to toss him aside or dismiss him at the first disagreement. Ron has his reasons for not challenging the NH count and he has good credentials to back up his judgment. While we can and should disagree where we will, I think we should understand that we are disagreeing with a very experienced and trusted hand, and one that's on our side at that.

Maybe what we really need is a watchdog organization whose sole purpose is to challenge every federal election involving someone we like (who loses). Pay out the money and do the recounts without the computers. We don't need Ron Paul to create such an organization.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-09   22:51:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: Peppa (#225)

And it is that playing the game in the present boundaries that pisses us all off--it is so frustrating. But the D & R set those campaign laws in place so as to have a corner, or lock, on the marketplace of political representation. And this is D & R at federal and AT STATE LEVEL.

The D and R parties already meet all the requirements--hell, they made the rules--so they're in the catbird seat and calling the shots that the underlings have to play.

So, the underling not only has to cowtow to their rules, they then have to tackle all the media sources.......oh wait, they can't do that cause they've already expended all their funds trying to go over hurdles, through hoops, and jumping canyons established by the D & R system, via lawyers to understand each state, district, and territorial election laws, and filing papers, to be told they have to pay large 'entry' fees in addition to having a gazillion signatures-- all within a couple of weeks or so. And so they work like mad to get signatures, and as quickly as they're turned in, the process begins to knock every signature off the petitions as 'disallowed'. You see, there is a certain number of voters that have to petition the secretary of states office to get a person/party on a ballot......come up one approved name short, and you can't run in that state! Getting a few extra signatures isn't a guarantee, but a huge extra number of signatures can save the day.

All that money is essentially pissed away because try raising campaign funds when you don't have the dough to send out more begging letters! THe D & R don't have this problem-- they're already secure and have databases of supporters to call upon at a moments notice.........as well as flocks of union workers to 'volunteer' time to man phone banks, etc. Ever hear of a union supporting a 3rd party candidate? Me neither.

When I ran for office, I had to pay UP FRONT for any advertising--they wouldn't take my word for it that the bill would be paid. Imagine that.......advertising agencies want to get paid for making the ads, and then the radio, tv, or newspapers want to be paid to run the ads.

Well, anyhow...........there's bundles to learn, we all can.........and we need to be supportive where possible of each other.

God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   22:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: Cynicom (#226)

placed the ad. The editor after the fact read it to me verbatim at 11.30 PM on the 6th. Without the ad in hand she would have had zero knowledge. The ad manager was called after midnight for information and the errant employee could not be contacted.

They offered to run it on the 7th but we declined at which time the manager and publisher settled the affair to my satisfaction.

So, considering Ron Paul had been denied twice in the preceeding week, we had nothing in hand, but a verbal assurance.

Now, you are telling us, that Ron Paul has tacitly endorsed McCain.

I think I'll wait to see him do it on TV. Since that seems to be the one thing that will get any coverage.

Having McCain as the nominee, is the biggest blatent FU to the American people, EVER. I just don't see RP endorsing him, considering his record.

One article suggested voting for Cynthia McKinney, Green Party, since she'll be on the ticket. That would be the funniest upset of all time.

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Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:53:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: Peppa (#230)

• TACITLY (adverb) The adverb TACITLY has 1 sense:

1. in a tacit manner; by unexpressed agreement

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   22:57:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: Cynicom (#205)

I would like to ask Paul that question, as a republican, will he endorse McCain.

That would be a pretty stupid question. He will NOT endorse McCain. If he does, show me and I'll eat my hat and disown Paul myself.

Paul will not endorse him. A far better question is will Paul publicly disown McCain.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-09   23:00:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: FormerLurker (#206)

with some of the posts that are made here concerning Jews and stuff, who knows.

That may well have played a role.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-09   23:01:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: Pinguinite (#232)

That would be a pretty stupid question.

I try to not ask stupid questions and it is rare to be accused of such.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   23:02:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: rowdee (#229)

And it is that playing the game in the present boundaries that pisses us all off--it is so frustrating. But the D & R set those campaign laws in place so as to have a corner, or lock, on the marketplace of political representation. And this is D & R at federal and AT STATE LEVEL.

The D and R parties already meet all the requirements--hell, they made the rules--so they're in the catbird seat and calling the shots that the underlings have to play.

So, the underling not only has to cowtow to their rules, they then have to tackle all the media sources.......oh wait, they can't do that cause they've already expended all their funds trying to go over hurdles, through hoops, and jumping canyons established by the D & R system, via lawyers to understand each state, district, and territorial election laws, and filing papers, to be told they have to pay large 'entry' fees in addition to having a gazillion signatures-- all within a couple of weeks or so. And so they work like mad to get signatures, and as quickly as they're turned in, the process begins to knock every signature off the petitions as 'disallowed'. You see, there is a certain number of voters that have to petition the secretary of states office to get a person/party on a ballot......come up one approved name short, and you can't run in that state! Getting a few extra signatures isn't a guarantee, but a huge extra number of signatures can save the day.

All that money is essentially pissed away because try raising campaign funds when you don't have the dough to send out more begging letters! THe D & R don't have this problem-- they're already secure and have databases of supporters to call upon at a moments notice.........as well as flocks of union workers to 'volunteer' time to man phone banks, etc. Ever hear of a union supporting a 3rd party candidate? Me neither.

When I ran for office, I had to pay UP FRONT for any advertising--they wouldn't take my word for it that the bill would be paid. Imagine that.......advertising agencies want to get paid for making the ads, and then the radio, tv, or newspapers want to be paid to run the ads.

Well, anyhow...........there's bundles to learn, we all can.........and we need to be supportive where possible of each other.

Rowdee,

Thank you for the excellent post. The machine in place is a steam roller. It gives only enough notice to get out of its way or be crushed. The point of RP's candidacy was to expose the steamroller. I think it did. But memories are short, and people won't look at who's driving the roller. ;)

Now it's about using what we have learned and move forward.

I know, the beatings will continue until morale improves.

"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   23:02:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: Pinguinite (#233)

That may well have played a role.

They offered to run it on the 7th, so no, that doesn't fly.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-09   23:04:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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