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Title: Message from Ron [he's a GOP through and through, will ease on prez campaigning]
Source: Ron Paul 2008
URL Source: http://ronpaul2008.typepad.com/ron_ ... 8/2008/02/message-from-ro.html
Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Ron Paul
Post Date: 2008-02-09 08:26:19 by a vast rightwing conspirator
Keywords: None
Views: 6626
Comments: 315

Message from Ron

Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well.

Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.

I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.

In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me.

Sincerely,

Ron

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#151. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0) (Edited)

I had serious concerns about Ron Paul's determination after the NH primaries, where neither he nor his campaign made any sort of effort to join in the recount effort after there was blatent evidence of fraud.

Seemed to me at the time that if he were serious about confronting the establishment, he would have made some noise about the matter, and not simply shrugged it off and left it to other people.

I was also a bit dismayed with his lack of campaigning, where it was largely his supporters that were running the campaign. I didn't see any sort of effort on his part to wisely spend the donations given him by people scraping their pockets to give him a chance to win.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-09   20:19:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Re NH.........as I recall, Ron, if not, then his campaign, said that the results in NH was in line with their own internal polling....so you think he should contest it anyways, spending valuable dollars and time, to fight for perhaps an additional per centage, maybe 2, which still wouldn't gain him a position change, or delegate count? You're saying this, and Ricky J is saying he's spending donations foolishly.........can't have it both ways, IMO.

All that effort to have virtually nothing change would have given the msm types ammo to toss out the 'kook', the 'whiner', or any other thing with which they'd try to excoriate him.

Thus far, Ron's comportment has been above reproach-- he's been the true gentleman of the game and can't be knocked around by them. One little tiny slip and they'd 'Dean' him in a heartbeat, and the republocraps would be rolling their eyes, and muttering under their breaths, and yet into an open mic, about the weird Dr. No., or some such. So far, they don't have of that kind of ammo to lob at him, to denigrate him in front of any 'newcomers'.

Just because his campaign isn't hitting msm doesn't mean that he isn't campaigning. MSM won't do his a favor by mentioning his finish (unless its dead last, of course), so why would you expect them to let you know he was in Michigan, Nevada, Idaho, Timbucktoo, or anyplace else? What part of 'blackout' do you not understand? Remember, too, some of them bastids wouldn't even let him in the friggin 'debates'!!!

Do you have access to the information on expenditures of donations? Have you bothered to look at the FEC filings? There are still 20 something states to hold primaries which would require some advertising, I would think. DId you read or hear where Ghouliana spent over $3 million on some advertising--maybe in FLA, while he was still spending oodles of personal time there.

I really have to smile at some of these things people are saying...........the gopers started off with 10 candidates, then keyes jumped in, and now all that is left is the Mchurian Candidate, Huckster, Ron, and keyes! Even the richest of all the candidates,either side of the aisle, has suspended!!! And Ron just keeps on moving along, still in the race.

He isn't a miracle worker, never professed to be. Everyone should be rejoicing in the new faces that have been brought into the circle of people that have seen the light of the damage done this nation. The sheeple have to be taught first, or learn about it, before change is going to be instigated.

Imagine what would/could happen if half a dozen banks had runs on them, or closed in the current economic climate. Don't you believe that even more people will come to realize something is terribly wrong...meaning the Message will be able to continue going outward.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   20:59:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Re NH.........as I recall, Ron, if not, then his campaign, said that the results in NH was in line with their own internal polling....so you think he should contest it anyways, spending valuable dollars and time, to fight for perhaps an additional per centage, maybe 2, which still wouldn't gain him a position change, or delegate count? You're saying this, and Ricky J is saying he's spending donations foolishly.........can't have it both ways, IMO.

I didn't see any Ron Paul TV adds on the popular channels, just the lame Manchester station that hardly anyone watches. He should have peppered the Boston stations with his ads, especially the week before the NH primary.

In terms of the recount, there may well have been huge disparities between the actual vote and that which was reported. Why else resort to the tactics that have taken place so far, with sealed boxes leaving the precincts and open boxes arriving at the recount center?

I'm not saying he should have used millions of dollars in the effort, but could have at least voiced concern and taken a stand on the matter, if anything giving moral support to Kucinich and the brave soul who asked for the Republican recount, Albert Howard.

Did NOT getting involved help his cause any? If anything, his name would have at least been in the news, where he is now basically a non-person as far as the media is concerned.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-09   21:33:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Do you have access to all the broadcast stations 24/7 and were you monitoring to see if any of his ads were showing? Was there advertising spaces available? Recall that this forum even tried to buy an ad, and it went south-- right after another person did the same thing.........without a legit reason why, other than 'they screwed up'.....an that was immediately before the election.

Air time, as I recall with radio and tv, just before elections was hard to come by. And Ron didn't have all the big bucks to even contemplate a lot of ads until the December bomb........so could that have arrived in time, or were guys like romney hoarding the airwaves?

Regarding the vote counts.......there could have been differences, but Ron's campaign did not find it to be so. They were right in the ballpark with what his polling showed they would garner. IIRC, he couldn't have gained enough to make a difference.

Part of the game is knowing when to hold em and to fold em. After all these years of being a student of history, I would hope that Ron knows which battles to choose to stand and fight vs backing off for another day and another chance at battle.

For what its worth, Ron's name is not, has not, nor will it be in the news--except if faux paux are made. Recall the debate where he got onto Ghouli re WOT, and Ghouli told Ron to retract what he had said--the snorting and snickering and laughing by media types--they hold him beneath contempt----but shut their friggin mouths when it was determined that what Ron said was exactly what the beloved 911 commission said! I've not heard a single one of them apologize or withdraw their stupid remarks.....they don't want his name out there. He shows the world how stupid they are. After all, it has been the media types who have told the sheeple for years that the economy, money and finances is too complicated to discuss is such a short time, blah blah blah......and now their ignorance is showing. No doubt, most of the glossy lipped blonde babes and the hairdo foo foo guys haven't a clue as to what a federal reserve note is; certainly no idea of what the gold standard is all about.....or that money is created out of thin air!

You wouldn't like somebody who was always making you aware of how stupid you are, would ya? BTW, I am not saying that you are stupid--I'm referring to the talking heads...

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-09   21:55:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You wouldn't like somebody who was always making you aware of how stupid you are, would ya?

I have to wonder in the months to come if Paul will indeed endorse McCain or if he will withhold. I would like to ask Paul that question, as a republican, will he endorse McCain.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   21:58:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

If he endoreses McCain, many of us will be vindicated about Paul. (Party over country to the end!)

IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-09   22:12:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

To: Cynicom If he endoreses McCain, many of us will be vindicated about Paul. (Party over country to the end!)

Can you name the many of you that held this position all along? Or could it be that since he did not run as an Indy, the many are still pissed? Yes Party over country, and all that.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:14:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Can you name the many of you that held this position all along?

Paul with his email has indeed tacitly endorsed McCain. Whether he will do so openly is the question.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   22:19:09 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Considering you are adverse to answering direct questions, I'll try this again.

Did you have proof in you hands that the ad was placed, or just a verbal confirmation?

Or perhaps you somehow KNEW Paul was an insider way back then and goaded the rest of us into some scheme to support him.

Now you fling around a claim that he HAS tacitly endorsed McCain.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:22:43 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Did you have proof in you hands that the ad was placed, or just a verbal confirmation?

I placed the ad. The editor after the fact read it to me verbatim at 11.30 PM on the 6th. Without the ad in hand she would have had zero knowledge. The ad manager was called after midnight for information and the errant employee could not be contacted.

They offered to run it on the 7th but we declined at which time the manager and publisher settled the affair to my satisfaction.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   22:37:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

placed the ad. The editor after the fact read it to me verbatim at 11.30 PM on the 6th. Without the ad in hand she would have had zero knowledge. The ad manager was called after midnight for information and the errant employee could not be contacted.

They offered to run it on the 7th but we declined at which time the manager and publisher settled the affair to my satisfaction.

So, considering Ron Paul had been denied twice in the preceeding week, we had nothing in hand, but a verbal assurance.

Now, you are telling us, that Ron Paul has tacitly endorsed McCain.

I think I'll wait to see him do it on TV. Since that seems to be the one thing that will get any coverage.

Having McCain as the nominee, is the biggest blatent FU to the American people, EVER. I just don't see RP endorsing him, considering his record.

One article suggested voting for Cynthia McKinney, Green Party, since she'll be on the ticket. That would be the funniest upset of all time.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   22:53:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

• TACITLY (adverb) The adverb TACITLY has 1 sense:

1. in a tacit manner; by unexpressed agreement

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   22:57:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

• TACITLY (adverb) The adverb TACITLY has 1 sense:

1. in a tacit manner; by unexpressed agreement

Thank you.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   23:06:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

"Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. "But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican."

John McCain is a republican. I sent a lot of money Pauls way, with that in mind, I have the right to ask if he will support McCain openly or tacitly as he has done.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-09   23:12:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

John McCain is a republican. I sent a lot of money Pauls way, with that in mind, I have the right to ask if he will support McCain openly or tacitly as he has done.

Go for it.

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-09   23:28:49 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Many people put in lots of money and TIME in Ron Paul's campaign.

You are not the only one.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-09   23:46:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You are not the only one.

I dont recall saying that, however having given in good faith I would assume I also in good faith have some measure of right to ask what is going to done from this point on.

Giving is a two way street, giving in blind faith is not for me.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   5:26:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Giving is a two way street, giving in blind faith is not for me.

Did you make that clear to the Paul campaign, Cyni--that you want an accounting or that you want him to play the game your way, say the things you want to hear your way, or ??????

I reckon people have different motives for giving. I hope I have the good sense to realize that had my daughter's life been on the line re my selecting Paul as the person who best meets my desires in a president, I'd certainly not have been a betting person. I would hope I have enough sense to realize it was a long shot chance at restoring the republic, or at least getting the ball rolling in that direction. It was that chance for the future that I was/am donating for.

I have a different idea of what giving is, or means. I suggest that it means 'freely and without expectation of something in return' is what giving is all about, whether it is a Christmas gift, or a gift to a campaign.

The only expectations that I have is that the campaigner will live up to his/her words...I don't like giving anything (well, maybe the 'eagle' salute) to liars.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   11:31:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Did you make that clear to the Paul campaign, Cyni--that you want an accounting or that you want him to play the game your way, Did you make that clear to the Paul campaign, Cyni--that you want an accounting or that you want him to play the game your way,

As I see it....

Paul approached me and millions of others, ASKING for money. In fact I have received so many email requests for money that it is ridiculous.

Even the bum on the corner mooching a quarter will tell you it is for a cup of coffee. If he buys booze, he fibbed.

Paul said he would run for President of the US, takes my dollars and then tells me, he will just go thru the motions. First it was, well, we can settle for a brokered convention, anyone buying that needs help, then he needs to scale back, the broker thing is a no go but PLEASE send me MONEY that I might save my seat in the Congress.

The bum fibbed and bought booze. What is Paul doing, I dont know.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10   11:41:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Cyni, Cyni, Cyni..........why don't you click on the 'Unsubscribe' link on one of them friggin letters. Why expose yourself to the hourly bombardment of 'junk' mail? Why stress out about it? Life is toooooooooo short for that! :)

I haven't crunched any numbers, but re a brokered convention.......it appears on the surface to me right now that mitty suspended with bout 600 delegates. M-churian has something like 800. Hucklebuck probably 400......how many are left to be split? It takes over ll00 to get the nomination.

I haven't read where mitty released his delegates; there may be various state laws, or national party laws that don't make provisions for releasing or not releasing.

So when convention time comes, and no one has the requisite 1100 what are they gonna do? A trip over to TOS1 shows major league unhappiness with M-churian by the rank and file--and note that TOS1 has generally sided with CPAC in the past--they've had booths set up there and had radio reporting from there; CPAC didn't embrace him......so something is gonna have to give at the convention to get someone selected/elected for the gop ticket.

I am not saying that Ron would necessarily be put up as an acceptable candidate they all could embrace, but he would have leverage to force some positive policy (for instance, monetary policy or economic policy) in order to put his delegates in someone elses' column.

But then, on the other hand, Ron has been a perfect gentleman throughout this campaigning, he's not been 'kooky', or a nutjob......he would be/could be perfectly acceptable as an alternative to those who would vote for hilary before voting for M-churian, or those who hate evangelicals, or who don't like flipfloppers.

Granted, the PTB wouldn't be thrilled, but they still have their hilary or obama they cam peddle to the public.

Ron then becomes the scapegoat for all the gopers, buys time for them to clean up their image for four to eight years, in the hopes of recapturing the WH again at some point in time.

Congresscowards would like that idea, too, because it gets him out of being the conscience of Congress and the Constitution.

Both parties hacks would try to override the vetos he'd do, while the gopers would blame it on the demos or some such........OR maybe, just maybe, those with a little bit of hair on their chest might grow a set of testicles and follow his lead.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-10   12:04:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#310. To: rowdee (#308)

Life is toooooooooo short for that! :)

Please dont remind me, 76 in a few days, and the friendly undertaker stops by once a week to see how I am and brings a tape measure.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-10 19:07:05 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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