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Title: Message from Ron [he's a GOP through and through, will ease on prez campaigning]
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Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Ron Paul
Post Date: 2008-02-09 08:26:19 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Message from Ron Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well. Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican. I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen. In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me. Sincerely, Ron
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#57. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
Takes a lot of hutspa to say that to the people who have raised more money, and given more time, to that mans campaigns than anyone in his district. The meetups should take over the Constitution Party and find a nastionaly known candidate. Tancredo doing anything important.
Exactly, and he was not. The nomination process, and media circus, was just as rigged and it took massive vote theft in Florida to get him, falsely, into office the first time, and Ohio and Florida for his second term. The only term he has ever earned would be a very long one at a Maximum Security Facility.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Takes a lot of hutspa to say that to the people who have raised more money, and given more time, to that mans campaigns than anyone in his district. The meetups should take over the Constitution Party and find a nastionaly known candidate. Tancredo doing anything important. You might want to take a look at Tancredo's record. With the exception of the illegal alien issue, there is very little difference between him or McCain. he voted for just about every big spending bill presented to Bush for signature. he voted for the Patriot Act. He voted for the Military Commissions Act. I'm pretty sure he voted for the real ID act as well. Speaking for myself, there are a hell of a lot more important issues than illegal immigration. The size and scope of government in the lives of the American people being the most important. Tancredo and Hunter both fail on those issues IMHO.
Well illegal immigration and the war were tops for me, I wasn't really insisting on tancredo but suggesting before these groups disband that they find another torch bearer. One of his sons maybe. One of the boys did a lot of stump speeches didn't he ? Too much money and energy expended to throw in the towel.
but suggesting before these groups disband that they find another torch bearer. One of his sons maybe. One of the boys did a lot of stump speeches didn't he ? Too much money and energy expended to throw in the towel. I've always been of the opinion that if something were done about the size of government and the powers it has seized from the people, issues such as illegal immigration and war would take care of themselves. I believe you are correct that one of Paul's sons was doing speeches for him.
Ron Paul is right that if he had stayed a Libertarian, he wouldn't have even made it to Congressman. The system is rigged to keep Third Parties out of the picture. The mass media won't cover them, it's hard to get on the ballot, etc. So from a strategic point of view, it makes sense for him to be a Republican, though he could have just as easily been a Democrat. Where he loses me is when he says that he's a Republican out of loyalty instead of practical strategy. I know you can't come out and say that you hate your political party, but why the sudden love? Why not keep on fighting as hard as day one to get the message out, if that was the goal? And if it hurts McCain and the GOP, in the process, all the better.
That I would think is more up to the group than him. They should find someone else. If its just about the message, it shouldn't matter. Though younger and a better speaker wouldn't hurt.
Paul to Supporters, I'm a Republican!
A lot of Americans haven't even heard of Ron Paul. This is partly due to the mass media blackout, but ultimately the blame falls on the voters for not seeking out alternatives to candidates approved by the mass media and political establishment. Whose fault is it if millions of voters are happy enough with John McCain and Hillary Clinton to not bother doing the legwork and find somebody else?
Mixed opinions. Lots of confusion. Lots of rumors.
The mass media blackout is the major reason that most Americans have never even heard of Ron Paul. It is sad, but the radio networks, the newspapers, the television networks, and other media still control the masses.
Why would it be sudden love? He's been a lifelong Republican, except when he ran as the Libertarian candidate for President. I think the problem many on this forum have is that they wanted or expected to see RP tear down the Republican Party and feel betrayed because he hasn't done this, or even tried. This was and is an unrealistic expectation which was based on nothing more than their own wants and desires. This has never been his goal. On all of the debates and in his writings he has always talked about bringing the Republican Party back to its roots, back to the days of William Taft, Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, etc., etc. He doesn't hate his political party at all. He is trying to wake them up. Dr. Paul is and has been doing the best he can working within the only system he has to work with. This idea that he should quit the Republican Party and become a third party or "anti-party" candidate is pie-in-the-sky dreamings. The system is stacked against people outside of the two-party fraud. If he would have done what people here want him to do, he would be nowhere right now. If he left the Republican Party now and ran as an independent he would also get nowhere. Jesus Christ, look how the media treated him as a Republican! If he ran as an independent or third party candidate, he would not be allowed onto a single debate. Dr. Paul doesn't have the billions of dollars Ross Perot had to buy the air time needed to present his thesis to the American people. This is the ONLY way Dr. Paul would get the type of groundswell he would need for the government-media complex to allow him onto the debates.
Just now FauxNews was reporting the delegate count and didn't even mention RP...
Join the Ron Paul Revolution It isn't the party of Taft or Coolidge today, it's the party of John McCain and George Bush. And it's going to stay the party of McCain and Bush for as long as people are conned into thinking that the GOP is a real alternative to or a lesser evil than the Democrats.
It's the American peoples fault. Less than half of the American population votes, which leaves the voting to an unimaginative group of people calling themselves independents (but who the two party fraud can depend on to faithfull back one of the two parties), Republican, and Democrats. Those that vote third party are so small as to not even count. As long as those nonvoters continue to pretend that government has no impact in or on their lives, the ideologues and braindead independents will dictate what happens in the country. For what it's worth, I'm not belittling third party voters. On the contrary, I've been one of those meaningless third party voters since 1988. I've never voter for a Democrat and the last time I voted for a Republican was in 1984. I voted Libertarian ever election year except when Ross Perot ran, and this year I voted for Dr. Paul in my state primary. It appears I will be voting Libertarian again in the general election though.
Isn't for nothing there's a band called "Dead Kennedies." One royal family down, two to go!
Then you should be able to appreciate the catch-22 Ron Paul is in. He cannot win within the party nor outside of the party. But he can at least attempt to strike a spark within the party and hope that it will take flame. As I stated in an earlier post, I believe Dr. Paul is correct in trying to ensure that he does not lose his Congressional seat. This is the worst thing that could happen to the movement he has created. As long as Ron Paul is in Congress, he will continue to introduce real, small government/individual liberty legislation - legislation which the "small government" Republicans will continue to ignore. The difference now is that Dr. Paul has millions of supporters who have the opportunity to "get the word out" about this legislation by e-mailing everyone they know. This in effect, can put tremendous pressure upon the Republican party. People will want an explaination as to why the "party of small government" is not backing obviously small ogvernment legislation. people will weant to know why their "small government" Republican representatives are not walking the walk by co-signing what is obviously small ogvernment legislation. Their excuses will ring hollow and the party will either have to bend to the will of "the people" or be shown as the liars and hypocrites they are. My guess is they will bend on the majority of issues. However, if Dr. Paul would slink away into obscurity as many of those on this forum want, then where, exactly are we? There is no one in Congress to take up his cause. Instead, the Republican Party will be free to continue its charade of being the party of individual liberty and small government. While many here will disagree, I look at the "Ron Paul phenomena" as being the biggest boon to freedom loving Americans in my lifetime. He's done what he can. The rest is up to us. I'd love to stay and talk about this all day but I've procrastinated as much as I can. I have a five page report on Type 1 Neurofibromatosis I have to complete today. Joy /sarcasm I hope you and everyone else on F4um have a wonderful day.
That's why I think that Ron Paul should keep aggressively campaigning to get the message out until the last primary ballots are cast, and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention. If he's about reforming the party from within, or at least making a difference by working within the system, why cut back on getting the word out now?
I agree, especially about specifically NOT endorsing McCain - loudly.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! OK...one more post....My guess, and it is only a guess, would be that his internal polling is showing that he is in real danger of loosing his Congressional seat. You can bet your ass that the Republican party is spending tens of millions of dollars in defeating him. IIRC, during the last election cycle, the Republican Party actually backed and financially supported the Democratic candidate. His removal from office would accomplish two things. First, it would allow the Republican Party to say that his ideas have been rejected and two, it would allow the republican PArty to continue with the charade of being the "party of small government." With Paul gone, there will be no one else in Congress to propose legislation which exposes the Republicans as the liars and hypocrites they are.
Wrong. I understand your impression of "parties" given your background, but he's not more a "part of the problem" in staying in the GOP than you are "part of the problem" in staying in the United States. Afterall, you do pay many, many taxes which fund the beast's activities, whether it's bombing Iraq or paying the CIA & military agents that engage in torture. Am I wrong? Sure, Ron's in the GOP, but what the GOP is, is not in Ron. You'd prefer he depart the party that dispises him, thus making it's sickness more pure? This looks like it'll be a busy thread for me.
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You trash RP's efforts because why? Because he didn't succeed? You're not exactly kicking butt, yourself, so it seems your efforts are no better than his. Why do people blame the freedom fighters when they don't win against the jackboots?
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This is so WRONG it hardly warrants correction, GG.
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It's also the one in control. As the saying goes, "It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it." That someone is Ron Paul. We all have our nitches, our places where we work. Ron's decided his place is the GOP. There's nothing wrong with that.
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I have been searching the MSM for some hint of Paul bowing out but have not found even a hint. That may be in part because he hasn't "bowed out". He's still running, but conceding the strong likelihood that there won't be a brokered convention. Obviously he was pinning hopes on a brokered convention, but he's not withdrawing from the race.
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Paul has never wavered in his identity, in what he stands for and in what he is about. He hasn't. The Republican party is his workplace. That's all it is.
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Did Paul refuse to endorse Dumbya in 2000/2004? Hopefully so.
Sorry, Cyni, but the tiller to *what*, exactly? Is he the president or chairman of some massive organization? Would you like him to resign from something that he was appointed or elected to? What would that be? Ron Paul is a congressman who decided to run for president. If you or someone else in our ranks can do better, go for it! If your message is like what he's been saying for so many years, you'll doubtless get Ron's vote during the Texas primaries!
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It is not over yet.
good question, I imagine so, but a confirming source would be nice
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! It sounds like politics never was and never will be your thing, vast.
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www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=5564 Quitting?…Who said so? By RoninMaximus | February 9, 2008 All, Once again people are not prepared to take challenges and see them for what they are: CHALLENGES. Dr. Paul has said NOTHING about quitting…why are so many so ready to just give up? You CANNOT do that. There is an awful lot of time between now and convention time. Stay with it, as none of us knows really what can or may happen. There is never any shortage of people who will tell you all of the things you can’t do even in the face of distinct possibility that is often not obvious at the time. Keep your faith in tact and go to work like this is your last day! RM
Well then I will have to vote for someone else. I kind of figured Ron was false opposition. He's certainly didn't help the 9/11 truth movement out any.
God is always good!
I do hope to see your definition of "step aside" in this context.
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I guess the war is the only issue for me. If it's not Ron Paul, then the country is screwed, economically. Given we're screwed, the least we can do is let other countries be. To that end, I'll favor whatever candidate for pres is most likely to bring the troops home. I think that's our moral obligation.
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If there was someone else, the group would have found him (or her) long before Ron started his presidential run.
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That's a very safe conclusion to make.
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I think that's our moral obligation. People don't seem to grasp how good it would be for us, and the world in general, to peacefully and quickly dismantle the empire.
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I don't think we have to worry about Ron endorsing McCain, of course, but I guess you mean explicitly UN-endorsing him. That would be good, indeed.
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When I read that I wanted to barf....
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest". I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down..."
#58. To: nobody, Hayek Fan, all (#54)
I'm sure millions of clowns voted for Bush. Doesn't mean he was ever nominated or elected by any legitimate process, though.
#59. To: castletrash (#57)
". I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down..."
#60. To: Hayek Fan (#59)
#61. To: castletrash (#60)
Well illegal immigration and the war were tops for me, I wasn't really insisting on tancredo
#62. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
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Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot- access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.
#63. To: Cynicom (#27)
"......He is maintaining his grip on the movement to the very end "
#64. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, wudidiz, FOH, Original_Intent, robin (#0)
#65. To: Hayek Fan (#38)
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I'm not sure what else he can do within the party to rally dedicated, like- minded individuals. The problem is that there are no dedicated, like-minded individuals in Congress. This isn't Paul's fault, it's the fasult of the American people who appear to want big government Representatives and Senators.
#66. To: christine, Hayek Fan, Critter, palo verde, who knows what evil (#53)
what's the reaction to this on the RP forums?
#67. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
#68. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#62)
Where he loses me is when he says that he's a Republican out of loyalty instead of practical strategy. I know you can't come out and say that you hate your political party, but why the sudden love?
#69. To: Rupert_Pupkin. the thread (#62)
Ron Paul is right that if he had stayed a Libertarian, he wouldn't have even made it to Congressman. The system is rigged to keep Third Parties out of the picture. The mass media won't cover them, it's hard to get on the ballot, etc. So from a strategic point of view, it makes sense for him to be a Republican, though he could have just as easily been a Democrat.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#70. To: Hayek Fan (#68)
This has never been his goal. On all of the debates and in his writings he has always talked about bringing the Republican Party back to its roots, back to the days of William Taft, Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, etc., etc. He doesn't hate his political party at all. He is trying to wake them up.
#71. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
Whose fault is it if millions of voters are happy enough with John McCain and Hillary Clinton to not bother doing the legwork and find somebody else?
#72. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#45)
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Yes, every time I hear of this Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush thing the first thought that comes to mind is: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KENNEDIES? :)))))))
#73. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#70)
It isn't the party of Taft or Coolidge today, it's the party of John McCain and George Bush. And it's going to stay the party of McCain and Bush for as long as people are conned into thinking that the GOP is a real alternative to or a lesser evil than the Democrats.
#74. To: Hayek Fan (#73)
(Edited)
#75. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#74)
I think that Ron Paul should keep aggressively campaigning to get the message out until the last primary ballots are cast, and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#76. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#74)
That's why I think that Ron Paul should keep aggressively campaigning to get the message out until the last primary ballots are cast, and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention. If he's about reforming the party from within, or at least making a difference by working within the system, so why cut back on getting the word out now?
#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
As a loyal GOP member, RP is part of the problem, not part of any imaginable solution.
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Trotsky is to real revolution, what Ron Paul is to Roberts Rules of order. With his loyalty oath to the GOP, RP and his effort are hereby deposited, head first, into the ash heap of history alongside that of Perot's "United we Stand" and the "Buchanan Brigades."
#79. To: gengis gandhi (#5)
"The continuation of my personal career as a congressman is far more important than any attempt at greater change."
#80. To: christine (#8)
i have to say that RP's declaration that he is a republican and will remain a republican sickens me. it's a sick party inhabited by sick people.
#81. To: Cynicom (#14)
#82. To: Cynicom (#19)
Rather odd that TWO days after McCain calls for party unity, Paul becomes a devout republican. Damned odd.
#83. To: robin (#75)
#84. To: Cynicom (#27)
For instance if the message Paul carried really meant something to him, he would step ASIDE, bow out and let someone else perhaps take the tiller.
#85. To: Pinguinite (#81)
Obviously he was pinning hopes on a brokered convention, but he's not withdrawing from the race.
#86. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#83)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#87. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)
How about some efforts from the post-Hitler Nazis or the post-Mussolini fascists of getting their party back? I believe that there are some neocommunists claiming exactly that in East Europe and Russia. It's like trying to turn some diseased, bruised whore back into her former virgin so that you can marry her.
Given the current availability of post-teen virgins, is it really worth wasting your time re-transforming a diseased whore?
#88. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom, _________ (#81)
#89. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
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there will be no third party run.
#90. To: Cynicom (#47)
His failure to step aside is appalling.
#91. To: castletrash (#60)
Well illegal immigration and the war were tops for me,
#92. To: castletrash (#63)
That I would think is more up to the group than him. They should find someone else.
#93. To: TwentyTwelve (#67)
The mass media blackout is the major reason that most Americans have never even heard of Ron Paul.
It is sad, but the radio networks, the newspapers, the television networks, and other media still control the masses.
#94. To: Pinguinite (#91)
To that end, I'll favor whatever candidate for pres is most likely to bring the troops home.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#95. To: Hayek Fan (#68)
Dr. Paul is and has been doing the best he can working within the only system he has to work with. This idea that he should quit the Republican Party and become a third party or "anti-party" candidate is pie-in-the-sky dreamings. The system is stacked against people outside of the two-party fraud. If he would have done what people here want him to do, he would be nowhere right now.
If he left the Republican Party now and ran as an independent he would also get nowhere. Jesus Christ, look how the media treated him as a Republican! If he ran as an independent or third party candidate, he would not be allowed onto a single debate. Dr. Paul doesn't have the billions of dollars Ross Perot had to buy the air time needed to present his thesis to the American people. This is the ONLY way Dr. Paul would get the type of groundswell he would need for the government-media complex to allow him onto the debates.
#96. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#74)
and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention.
#97. To: Pinguinite (#79)
Ron Paul should not be asking for anymore donations, IMO.
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