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Title: Message from Ron [he's a GOP through and through, will ease on prez campaigning]
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Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Ron Paul
Post Date: 2008-02-09 08:26:19 by a vast rightwing conspirator
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Message from Ron Whoa! What a year this has been. And what achievements we have had. If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent. It will not end at the Republican convention. It will not end in November. It will not end until we have won the great battle on which we have embarked. Not because of me, but because of you. Millions of Americans -- and friends in many other countries -- have dedicated themselves to the principles of liberty: to free enterprise, limited government, sound money, no income tax, and peace. We will not falter so long as there is one restriction on our persons, our property, our civil liberties. How much I owe you. I can never possibly repay your generous donations, hard work, whole-hearted dedication and love of freedom. How blessed I am to be associated with you. Carol, of course, sends her love as well. Let me tell you my thoughts. With Romney gone, the chances of a brokered convention are nearly zero. But that does not affect my determination to fight on, in every caucus and primary remaining, and at the convention for our ideas, with just as many delegates as I can get. But with so many primaries and caucuses now over, we do not now need so big a national campaign staff, and so I am making it leaner and tighter. Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican. I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen. In the presidential race and the congressional race, I need your support, as always. And I have plans to continue fighting for our ideas in politics and education that I will share with you when I can, for I will need you at my side. In the meantime, onward and upward! The neocons, the warmongers, the socialists, the advocates of inflation will be hearing much from you and me. Sincerely, Ron
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Mr. Paul is a lot more anchored into reality that some of his supporters. This message shows them the difference between a fighter and a loser. Losers blame their loss on some weird and generally imagined circumstances or they call their loses 'victories'. Mr. Paul understands that he can not win the GOP nomination. I do not apprieciate his insistence in staying in the GOP party - I guess his GOP membership makes the theory of 'the good Nazi' or 'the good Communist' more plausible, even though I don't buy it myself - but it's his choice and it's his political life. Now, for those who, first, were advancing theories about Ron Paul winning the GOP primaries because his supporters were 'more committed' or the later discussion of he, somehow, prevailing in a 'brokered convention' with his 'couple dozen' delegates, or those who were talking about some secret master plans to hail-Mary everyone via some independent run, do face reality. Reality can be interesting too. Mr. Paul is a freedom-loving politician who seems to have a strong attachment to the GOP party and the GOP is one half of the curse that is taking this country apart, known as the '2 party system'. As a loyal GOP member, RP is part of the problem, not part of any imaginable solution. His liberty talk, while nice to listen to, it is very much harmless to the system as it is confined inside the GOP section of the 2-party system. By staying an active member of one of the parties of mass murder, global interventions and ever more intrusive control in an individual's life, RP only, if not intentionally, legitimizes the system and enforces the illusion that the system is sound, viable, reasonable and the best vehicle for expressing 'diverse' views that are not racist, anti-semitist, anti-globalist, isolationist, anti-free trade, nationalist, pro-illegal-drugs, pro-smoking, pro-drinking, anti-seat-belt mandates, pro-slavery... well... most diverse views. It is clear to me and it should become increasingly clear to everyone that freedom is not granted to anyone by their government or their country president. Freedom is a matter of choice. It is true that, under particular political systems, freedom is an easier choice that in others but, ultimately, it is an individual choice or, rather, a series of choices one makes every moment of their lives. One can be free or experience joy and freedom, regardless of Mao being the chairman of the country or Ron Paul presiding in the White House and one can live like a rat or like a sheep when one finds it more advantageous or more desirable to live that way. Ultimately, one freely chooses to wear chains, server a master, charge with the mob or live like an individual. So, if your aim is 'freedom', forget about Ron Paul. He has freely decided to stay a GOP, he freely entered the GOP nomination race for prez and he now freely decided to focus on his congressional race. Don't follow Ron Paul, follow his example.
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Trotsky is to real revolution, what Ron Paul is to Roberts Rules of order. With his loyalty oath to the GOP, RP and his effort are hereby deposited, head first, into the ash heap of history alongside that of Perot's "United we Stand" and the "Buchanan Brigades." Freedom will come at the barrel of a gun or for the more timid, compliance to government dictate. That choice is ours to reach independently.
amen
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
I beg to disagree, because I don't believe that there is such thing as collective salvation or group liberation. Humans are going to continue to be dependent on other humans for as long as they are going to need each other. The interdependence demands that some individual choices and some freedom capital is traded in exchange for certain necessities - the best that we can ask for is that each individual has control over which and how much freedom is being traded away and in exchange for what. I can imagine the possibility that a future roboticized and spread-into-space world might allow some individuals near-total freedom but, I'm afraid, humans are designed to be social animals and complete freedom would not bring much joy or happiness. Isaac Asimov wrote an interesting novel on the topic. Try 'The Naked Sun' - it's my favorite Isaac Asimov book and one of my favorite fiction books overall.
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"The continuation of my personal career as a congressman is far more important than any attempt at greater change."
Many believe in either intelligent design or evolution...but I am opting for unintelligent design, where god is a retarded kid who likes setting army men on fire and leaving his toys out in the rain. Gengis Gandhi, Troubled Genius
RP is not a senator. He represents his district (not Israel or free tradism or globalism or socialism) in the US congress. I wish there were more representatives like him.
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And I wish all this was a nasty nightmare, but the reality is RP has only offered words and platitudes; when the rubber hit the road he had as much in common with the founders as Wally Cox.
i couldn't agree more. i have to say that RP's declaration that he is a republican and will remain a republican sickens me. it's a sick party inhabited by sick people.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
ok thx. I'm just glad I'm getting my money's worth. Didn't spend a dime. As for those who did, I bet they don't share your views, especially those who moved to other states to fight for the cause that Paul now abandons. Yeah, when your supporters care more about the movement than the guy who claims to be the big proponent, its probably time to just admit the dude was a fraud (about making a run for office) and cut your losses. Looks to me alot like another official selling out his supporters for his personal gain, but I am on a koolaid free diet...have been for years.
Many believe in either intelligent design or evolution...but I am opting for unintelligent design, where god is a retarded kid who likes setting army men on fire and leaving his toys out in the rain. Gengis Gandhi, Troubled Genius
You just gave several of the "violence never solves anything" pussies that post here a fit of the vapors with that post. Good job.
That's funny :)
that's exactly the feeling i come away with.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
Ditto...KoolAid just isn't very healthy.
Jethro... I have been searching the MSM for some hint of Paul bowing out but have not found even a hint. If we were correct in assuming the MSM was actually ignoring Paul, then it follows that they would acknowledge their success in some small manner. Nothing.
As I grew up, in a communist-controlled state, one favorite distraction was for people to buy novels or watch movies where 'the good communist', all by himself, was successfully defeating the bad and corrupt mid-level activists. All the communist crimes and outrages were exposed in disgusting details but, it the end, it was made clear that 'the party' was not responsible for any. It was just the bad people who happened to make up the party leadership, and membership and 'the good communist theory' made people more hopeful that some incremental change was possible. In the end, it all just collapsed. Oh, the authors of these works of fiction were held in high regard by the masses as some courageous dissidents but everyone loved to ignore the daily songs and poems of praise to the communist leadership and to communism they were producing, and all was forgotten when the 900-page opus magnum was published by one of them, every 4-5 years or so. On balance, these people were helping the system by giving the masses the illusion that the system would tolerate the expression of dissident views as a rule rather than a carefully-controlled series of exceptions.
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I'm not sure what we're currently seeing them do isn't their MO. RP was air brushed out of the picture a month ago, and it just might be that they'll leave it at that. But WTFKs? They might take a victory lap around the carcass.
It didn't sicken the 'strategists' who were explaining away RP's insistence to stay inside the GOP as a brilliant move to obtain media coverage. Oh well... the regular every-four-year fantasy is almost over. The system is now pushing forward its most suitable choices: McCain, Hillary. Obama... he may be an unintended consequence that the system spits out from time to time. My long-time-ago prediction for the fall race was Hillary-Obama vs. Giuliani-Condi. Clearly, I was wrong about Giuliani but I would not be surprised if Condi shows up on the VP GOP spot if Obama is either the #1 or the #2 of the GOP 'ticket'. Just to ensure that everyone has a choice.
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Rather odd that TWO days after McCain calls for party unity, Paul becomes a devout republican. Damned odd. If you analyze his email you will find it totally contradictory. Suddenly he is a true republican but yet we are to forget that years ago he ran under a different title for president. His original statement of a brokered convention was a total fallacy and now this.
I noted a few days ago that the least RP could do is to make sure, through his delegates, that the GOP convention does not join in the unanimous ass-kissing unity kumbaya thing in support of their anointed blood-thirsty candidate. Do you think they will dare break the pro-McCain unanimity?
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
John McDole will ensure we have another Clinton in the White House. 28 years and counting...a Bush or Clinton in the White House....now it will be 32 years.
36.
Most of the MSM never really admitted he was IN the race so it stands to reason they will just continue to deny his existence. This would, in fact, be a consistent and logical stance to take — something rare for the MSM. I got my money's worth from the Paul campaign. I vowed "never again" after giving a contribution to Buchanan once and I stuck by my promise.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
just as ron paul is speaking out about americans getting their country back he's also speaking out about conservative republicans getting their party back. he has overcome significant odds to get this far. in fact i think the odds are far greater than the average individual of average means increasing their net worth by $1,000,000 within the next year, something i suggest they tackle to understand the magnitude of such hurdles. besides how do you get dr. paul in the white house in accordance with his aspirations when america appears not ready for his message. the odds increase exponentially when you toss in other gate keepers of the white house such as military industry complex and other groups that go bump in the night. the one thing you can do is to get involved and educated so that you can get to participate in what your country should be.
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I felt the same about Buchanan, whom I supported. Not because he lost his independent run, but because he gave up and stopped the second the voting was over. He could have helped made the Reform party a viable third national party if he put some energy into it AFTER the election but he didn't. The American Conservative is a good magazine but it's not enough.
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There is more afoot here than is visible. For instance if the message Paul carried really meant something to him, he would step ASIDE, bow out and let someone else perhaps take the tiller. But no...He is maintaining his grip on the movement to the very end. That begs the question why, if he really believes in his message. It is a de facto effect of making sure the movement does NOTHING to unhinge the status quo.
I heard about this on ABC radio this morning, however, they are reporting that Ron Paul has dropped out of the race. I have no doubt the rest of the media is saying the same thing. I find the reporting on Ron Paul by the mainstream media to be completely disgusting. They act as if he's not there while he's actively running, yet the minute he puts out this statement they jump on the news as if 9/11 happened all over again. I don't know what his true intensions were in releasing the above correspondance, but he should have just dropped out instead of this half-assed bullshit. He must be in real trouble in his district. I have no doubt that the Republicratic Party has put millions of dollars into ensuring Dr. Paul is defeated. Personally, I would like him in the House rather than out. Everytime one of his demonstrable small government/pro-individual liberty bills is completley ignored by the supposed "party of small government," that same party is shown to be liars and hypocrites they are. I never believed Dr. Paul had a snowballs chance in hell of winning the nomination, but that did not stop me from donating both time and money to his cause. Now that it appears to be over, if Dr. Paul wins his Congressional seat, lovers of liberty may be in the best position we've been in years. I say this because if Dr. Paul wins his seat, he will continue to introduce the same type of small government/pro liberty bills he's always introduced. It's up to his supporters to ensure that the public is made away of these bills by e-mailing everyone they know about their existence and asking the simple question, "why is the Republican Party ignoring this legislation?" It's a simple question which I believe will result in millions of people demanding that their representatives explain why they are not cosigning his legislation or why they are actively fighting against it. Dr. Paul has never had this sort of visibility before, regardless of the media, nor has he ever had the support network he now has. It's up to us to ensure that we use this visibilty and support to our advantage. of course you could just get cynical and say, "fuck him, he's just another government shill," because he has deciced to go in a direction you disagree with. That's your perogitive. However, I believe this to be immature and short- sighted. He has twenty years of writing and introducing small government and individual liberty legislation which backs up his rhetoric. With the exception of illegal immigration, the message he preaches today is the same message he preached as long as thirty years ago. Just because you disagree with his decision does not make him a "traitor to the cause," a "Republican shill" or whatever other stupid fucking phrase is being thrown around. Of course, this is just MHO. Your mileage may vary.
Let's try to give this some context: How about some efforts from the post-Hitler Nazis or the post-Mussolini fascists of getting their party back? I believe that there are some neocommunists claiming exactly that in East Europe and Russia. It's like trying to turn some diseased, bruised whore back into her former virgin so that you can marry her. Given the current availability of post-teen virgins, is it really worth wasting your time re-transforming a diseased whore? Probably not. You're probably better off looking out for innocent virgins.
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ABC radio this morning was reporting that Dr. Paul has dropped out of the race.
I agree with much of your statement. RP's message is this: "there is no doubt that I will not going to win the GOP nomination for US prez and it would be stupid for me to risk losing my congressional seat while fighting windmills". I always wondered why he doesn't spend more effort in the Congress to turn the few libertarian-leaning fellow congressmen into a small, distinct 'third party'. If it was enough of them to tilt the majority one way or the other, they would have the ability to make themselves heard on some marginal issues where there is 'partisanship'. Of course, on most issues, those that really matter, there is perfect bi-partisanship so their influence would be small.
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Actually, he did. It's called the Liberty Committee. There is also another one that he started but for the life of me I cannot remember it. The Liberty Committee, unfortunatley, ended up being nothing more than an organization that Republican Congressmen could join in order to make the claim that they were for "small government." Most of them were lairs and frauds because most of them never cosigned the bill backed by the Liberty Committee. But kudo's to Paul for trying.
who would have ever thought it would be McCain?
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
I am aware of the LC. He should now show leadership and call for the establishment of an entity separate from the GOP. If there's enough of them to decide which party gets to nominate the speaker, they are going to do quite well with committee membership and whatever other perks they are getting there.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Me too, Christine, a political party that elevates a moron of the privilged class to the highest office in the land does not deserve to exist. If America is lucky the Republican Party will go the way of its predecessor the Whig Party and be defeated so soundly in the upcoming election election it will end up in the trash can of history.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
His original statement of a brokered convention was a total fallacy and now this. Agree. I'm hopeful in this regard; people need to be burnt by the political system according to their own time line. Two months ago there was no way anyone could have stood up to the RP gale force winds that were howling. It was best to step back and watch the inevitable unfold. To the extent this wakes folks up even further, then it's all been good.
I thought it was going to be Giuliani because he seemed to be smoother. In the end, it was more or less random between McCain, Romney and Giuliani. Romney and Giuliani are more 'plastic' but McCain seems to be truly 'mental'. He would be a good match to Hillary but Obama could beat him.
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They have something like that as well called the Republican Liberty Caucus. I'm not sure what else he can do within the party to rally dedicated, like- minded individuals. The problem is that there are no dedicated, like-minded individuals in Congress. This isn't Paul's fault, it's the fasult of the American people who appear to want big government Representatives and Senators.
Cyni, Your #27 needs to be bookmarked. Dead on accurate.
What does that say about the people that elected him? I would say that a country that elects such a moron to the highest office in the land does not deserve the freedom they claim to want.
Another point of agreement. And this is one of my major disagreements with RP. He keeps saying the the American people is not responsible for the carnage in Iraq but we all know that this is not so. It was the American people who elected and re-elected Bush as the carnage was raging there and it's the people who keep feeding and nurturing the current system.
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I can't say I disagree with you. More than likely the freedom you speak of will soon disappear from the American scene.
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
i don't believe the people elected him. we're given selections and the latest is clinton/bush/clinton/bush/clinton/bush. to that end, shame on us for not revolting against these elitist globalist pigs.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
maybe the truth is, the majority of people really don't want freedom and independence.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
Yes, every time I hear of this Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush thing the first thought that comes to mind is: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KENNEDIES? :)))))))
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I agree. What's worse is that the American people are going to vote for it, just as the Nazi's did. What also sucks is that history shows that a population will take a whole lot of abuse before they finally begin fighting back. This is why my goal is to become a medical doctor and then get the fuck out of this country in the same way that many of the German people left Germany before WWII broke out. The main difference between then and now was that then, the world still had a shining beacon of light to turn to, i.e., the United States. Now, there is no such beacon to turn to. Maybe by the time I finish my training, things will be so bad that there will be anoter country that will be a shining beacon.
Paul has destroyed any organized effort by Americans on the right of having a choice in this election. His failure to step aside is appalling.
Well it's your choice to believe that. I don't. I knew too many people who willingly voted for the man. I remember how TOS1 was, and the influence talk radio had.
Step aside for who? You make absolutely no sense. Who is he supposed to "step aside" for?
So are you now agreeing with my statement that RP's running AND LOSING as a GOP only helps legitimize the system and hurts the idea that political life outside the 2-party mafia is possible?
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Cyni, I'm thinking if he expressed his Republican party devotion before he appealed for the various money bombs, etc, he'd have raised about 28 cents rather than the $28 million. P.T. Barnum scores again.
I agree, however, the American people were also bombarded with billions of dollars worth of pro-government/pro-war scientific propaganda. Most Americans are not political junkies, nor do they obsess over the news of the day like many of us on these forums do. Therefore, they are not politically sophisticated, nor are they even aware that the government hired Manhattan advertising agencies to "sell" the war to them. They believe everything the government tells them. It's what they've been trained since childhood to do.
what's the reaction to this on the RP forums?
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
I'm sure millions of clowns voted for Bush. Doesn't mean he was ever nominated or elected by any legitimate process, though.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! The reality is that right now violence would provide a solution - for the forces of the Police State. It would provide the pretext they do not currently have for imposing open Martial Law. The reality is that when it comes to open armed conflict they hold the cards - for now. That does not mean that armed revolt is never an appropriate response - one does what one has to do. However, regardless of the brickbats thrown at Ron Paul for his action, from a strategic point of view it was about the only viable option he had left. I've stated my reasoning elsewhere and will not belabor the point, but in short the voting (and media) system is currently so rigged that there is no way for an honest Candidate, not a controlled by the Banksters Machine Candibot, to win. The reality is that in an honest, open, and fair process he would have walked away from the little NeoCon Candibots he was running against. McInsane is a sick joke and Hitlery (our next pResident) is just as bad, BUT what was achieved was the reinvigoration of the pro-liberty movement and the activation of a lot more troops. McInsane and Ghouliani were the worst of the field and that is what we wound up with on the Republican side - the worst possible Presidential Candidate. Do any of you think that occurred accidentally or because McInsane suddenly became appealing to voters? If you do I have a Bridge I'd like to sell you - and "it's a real money maker kid". It was orchestrated so as to make Hitlery plausible as an electable option. Against a Ron Paul she would fade into obscurity and get only the Kool-Aid and "Iwannawoman" vote. People have got to confront and look at the level of corruption and control. Under the current controls Ron Paul would not be allowed to win. Period. He, unlike the people mashing sour grapes has grasped that reality. And as the Great Grandmaster Steinitz commented: "Moral victories don't count." So, we can either fold our tent or we can acknowledge the reality - the pro-liberty movement has grown greatly under Ron Paul's run and for that we owe him a debt of gratitude. His continuing as a Republican actually presents the opportunity to continue building it. To carry the day we need to continue pushing and building that movement.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Takes a lot of hutspa to say that to the people who have raised more money, and given more time, to that mans campaigns than anyone in his district. The meetups should take over the Constitution Party and find a nastionaly known candidate. Tancredo doing anything important.
Exactly, and he was not. The nomination process, and media circus, was just as rigged and it took massive vote theft in Florida to get him, falsely, into office the first time, and Ohio and Florida for his second term. The only term he has ever earned would be a very long one at a Maximum Security Facility.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
Takes a lot of hutspa to say that to the people who have raised more money, and given more time, to that mans campaigns than anyone in his district. The meetups should take over the Constitution Party and find a nastionaly known candidate. Tancredo doing anything important. You might want to take a look at Tancredo's record. With the exception of the illegal alien issue, there is very little difference between him or McCain. he voted for just about every big spending bill presented to Bush for signature. he voted for the Patriot Act. He voted for the Military Commissions Act. I'm pretty sure he voted for the real ID act as well. Speaking for myself, there are a hell of a lot more important issues than illegal immigration. The size and scope of government in the lives of the American people being the most important. Tancredo and Hunter both fail on those issues IMHO.
Well illegal immigration and the war were tops for me, I wasn't really insisting on tancredo but suggesting before these groups disband that they find another torch bearer. One of his sons maybe. One of the boys did a lot of stump speeches didn't he ? Too much money and energy expended to throw in the towel.
but suggesting before these groups disband that they find another torch bearer. One of his sons maybe. One of the boys did a lot of stump speeches didn't he ? Too much money and energy expended to throw in the towel. I've always been of the opinion that if something were done about the size of government and the powers it has seized from the people, issues such as illegal immigration and war would take care of themselves. I believe you are correct that one of Paul's sons was doing speeches for him.
Ron Paul is right that if he had stayed a Libertarian, he wouldn't have even made it to Congressman. The system is rigged to keep Third Parties out of the picture. The mass media won't cover them, it's hard to get on the ballot, etc. So from a strategic point of view, it makes sense for him to be a Republican, though he could have just as easily been a Democrat. Where he loses me is when he says that he's a Republican out of loyalty instead of practical strategy. I know you can't come out and say that you hate your political party, but why the sudden love? Why not keep on fighting as hard as day one to get the message out, if that was the goal? And if it hurts McCain and the GOP, in the process, all the better.
That I would think is more up to the group than him. They should find someone else. If its just about the message, it shouldn't matter. Though younger and a better speaker wouldn't hurt.
Paul to Supporters, I'm a Republican!
A lot of Americans haven't even heard of Ron Paul. This is partly due to the mass media blackout, but ultimately the blame falls on the voters for not seeking out alternatives to candidates approved by the mass media and political establishment. Whose fault is it if millions of voters are happy enough with John McCain and Hillary Clinton to not bother doing the legwork and find somebody else?
Mixed opinions. Lots of confusion. Lots of rumors.
The mass media blackout is the major reason that most Americans have never even heard of Ron Paul. It is sad, but the radio networks, the newspapers, the television networks, and other media still control the masses.
Why would it be sudden love? He's been a lifelong Republican, except when he ran as the Libertarian candidate for President. I think the problem many on this forum have is that they wanted or expected to see RP tear down the Republican Party and feel betrayed because he hasn't done this, or even tried. This was and is an unrealistic expectation which was based on nothing more than their own wants and desires. This has never been his goal. On all of the debates and in his writings he has always talked about bringing the Republican Party back to its roots, back to the days of William Taft, Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, etc., etc. He doesn't hate his political party at all. He is trying to wake them up. Dr. Paul is and has been doing the best he can working within the only system he has to work with. This idea that he should quit the Republican Party and become a third party or "anti-party" candidate is pie-in-the-sky dreamings. The system is stacked against people outside of the two-party fraud. If he would have done what people here want him to do, he would be nowhere right now. If he left the Republican Party now and ran as an independent he would also get nowhere. Jesus Christ, look how the media treated him as a Republican! If he ran as an independent or third party candidate, he would not be allowed onto a single debate. Dr. Paul doesn't have the billions of dollars Ross Perot had to buy the air time needed to present his thesis to the American people. This is the ONLY way Dr. Paul would get the type of groundswell he would need for the government-media complex to allow him onto the debates.
Just now FauxNews was reporting the delegate count and didn't even mention RP...
Join the Ron Paul Revolution It isn't the party of Taft or Coolidge today, it's the party of John McCain and George Bush. And it's going to stay the party of McCain and Bush for as long as people are conned into thinking that the GOP is a real alternative to or a lesser evil than the Democrats.
It's the American peoples fault. Less than half of the American population votes, which leaves the voting to an unimaginative group of people calling themselves independents (but who the two party fraud can depend on to faithfull back one of the two parties), Republican, and Democrats. Those that vote third party are so small as to not even count. As long as those nonvoters continue to pretend that government has no impact in or on their lives, the ideologues and braindead independents will dictate what happens in the country. For what it's worth, I'm not belittling third party voters. On the contrary, I've been one of those meaningless third party voters since 1988. I've never voter for a Democrat and the last time I voted for a Republican was in 1984. I voted Libertarian ever election year except when Ross Perot ran, and this year I voted for Dr. Paul in my state primary. It appears I will be voting Libertarian again in the general election though.
Isn't for nothing there's a band called "Dead Kennedies." One royal family down, two to go!
Then you should be able to appreciate the catch-22 Ron Paul is in. He cannot win within the party nor outside of the party. But he can at least attempt to strike a spark within the party and hope that it will take flame. As I stated in an earlier post, I believe Dr. Paul is correct in trying to ensure that he does not lose his Congressional seat. This is the worst thing that could happen to the movement he has created. As long as Ron Paul is in Congress, he will continue to introduce real, small government/individual liberty legislation - legislation which the "small government" Republicans will continue to ignore. The difference now is that Dr. Paul has millions of supporters who have the opportunity to "get the word out" about this legislation by e-mailing everyone they know. This in effect, can put tremendous pressure upon the Republican party. People will want an explaination as to why the "party of small government" is not backing obviously small ogvernment legislation. people will weant to know why their "small government" Republican representatives are not walking the walk by co-signing what is obviously small ogvernment legislation. Their excuses will ring hollow and the party will either have to bend to the will of "the people" or be shown as the liars and hypocrites they are. My guess is they will bend on the majority of issues. However, if Dr. Paul would slink away into obscurity as many of those on this forum want, then where, exactly are we? There is no one in Congress to take up his cause. Instead, the Republican Party will be free to continue its charade of being the party of individual liberty and small government. While many here will disagree, I look at the "Ron Paul phenomena" as being the biggest boon to freedom loving Americans in my lifetime. He's done what he can. The rest is up to us. I'd love to stay and talk about this all day but I've procrastinated as much as I can. I have a five page report on Type 1 Neurofibromatosis I have to complete today. Joy /sarcasm I hope you and everyone else on F4um have a wonderful day.
That's why I think that Ron Paul should keep aggressively campaigning to get the message out until the last primary ballots are cast, and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention. If he's about reforming the party from within, or at least making a difference by working within the system, why cut back on getting the word out now?
I agree, especially about specifically NOT endorsing McCain - loudly.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! OK...one more post....My guess, and it is only a guess, would be that his internal polling is showing that he is in real danger of loosing his Congressional seat. You can bet your ass that the Republican party is spending tens of millions of dollars in defeating him. IIRC, during the last election cycle, the Republican Party actually backed and financially supported the Democratic candidate. His removal from office would accomplish two things. First, it would allow the Republican Party to say that his ideas have been rejected and two, it would allow the republican PArty to continue with the charade of being the "party of small government." With Paul gone, there will be no one else in Congress to propose legislation which exposes the Republicans as the liars and hypocrites they are.
Wrong. I understand your impression of "parties" given your background, but he's not more a "part of the problem" in staying in the GOP than you are "part of the problem" in staying in the United States. Afterall, you do pay many, many taxes which fund the beast's activities, whether it's bombing Iraq or paying the CIA & military agents that engage in torture. Am I wrong? Sure, Ron's in the GOP, but what the GOP is, is not in Ron. You'd prefer he depart the party that dispises him, thus making it's sickness more pure? This looks like it'll be a busy thread for me.
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You trash RP's efforts because why? Because he didn't succeed? You're not exactly kicking butt, yourself, so it seems your efforts are no better than his. Why do people blame the freedom fighters when they don't win against the jackboots?
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This is so WRONG it hardly warrants correction, GG.
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It's also the one in control. As the saying goes, "It's a dirty job, but someone's got to do it." That someone is Ron Paul. We all have our nitches, our places where we work. Ron's decided his place is the GOP. There's nothing wrong with that.
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I have been searching the MSM for some hint of Paul bowing out but have not found even a hint. That may be in part because he hasn't "bowed out". He's still running, but conceding the strong likelihood that there won't be a brokered convention. Obviously he was pinning hopes on a brokered convention, but he's not withdrawing from the race.
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Paul has never wavered in his identity, in what he stands for and in what he is about. He hasn't. The Republican party is his workplace. That's all it is.
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Did Paul refuse to endorse Dumbya in 2000/2004? Hopefully so.
Sorry, Cyni, but the tiller to *what*, exactly? Is he the president or chairman of some massive organization? Would you like him to resign from something that he was appointed or elected to? What would that be? Ron Paul is a congressman who decided to run for president. If you or someone else in our ranks can do better, go for it! If your message is like what he's been saying for so many years, you'll doubtless get Ron's vote during the Texas primaries!
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It is not over yet.
good question, I imagine so, but a confirming source would be nice
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! It sounds like politics never was and never will be your thing, vast.
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www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=5564 Quitting?…Who said so? By RoninMaximus | February 9, 2008 All, Once again people are not prepared to take challenges and see them for what they are: CHALLENGES. Dr. Paul has said NOTHING about quitting…why are so many so ready to just give up? You CANNOT do that. There is an awful lot of time between now and convention time. Stay with it, as none of us knows really what can or may happen. There is never any shortage of people who will tell you all of the things you can’t do even in the face of distinct possibility that is often not obvious at the time. Keep your faith in tact and go to work like this is your last day! RM
Well then I will have to vote for someone else. I kind of figured Ron was false opposition. He's certainly didn't help the 9/11 truth movement out any.
God is always good!
I do hope to see your definition of "step aside" in this context.
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I guess the war is the only issue for me. If it's not Ron Paul, then the country is screwed, economically. Given we're screwed, the least we can do is let other countries be. To that end, I'll favor whatever candidate for pres is most likely to bring the troops home. I think that's our moral obligation.
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If there was someone else, the group would have found him (or her) long before Ron started his presidential run.
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That's a very safe conclusion to make.
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I think that's our moral obligation. People don't seem to grasp how good it would be for us, and the world in general, to peacefully and quickly dismantle the empire.
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I don't think we have to worry about Ron endorsing McCain, of course, but I guess you mean explicitly UN-endorsing him. That would be good, indeed.
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When I read that I wanted to barf....
Which is necessary only for the vast herds of sheep grazing across America. Unfortunately, there are many, many vast herds.
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The message has been much larger than the messenger. If for whatever reason Paul wants out but still maintain a grip on the apparatus, that is wrong.
I think we have to ask ourselves where we would be right now without Ron Paul's actions during the year 2007 and early 2008 of his campaign? What candidate or organization would be uniting us the way Ron Paul has? It has truly been a gift. What I read in this letter is a little different. He's telling financial supporters to be realistic. He's letting people who may wish to continue their donations not to expect a third-party run, which is a very honorable thing to say at this point. Now is not the time to give up. To give up is exactly what the media barons and the political machinery is hoping we will do. We need to deprive them of that victory by continuing to struggle for liberty. I echo others on this thread in making the point that Ron Paul isn't to be blamed for failing. He should be renowned as a hero for working within the system to change it for the better. Each debate he attended was viewed by thousands. Each interview he was given by the MSM was viewed by thousands. Each article written on his "Quixotic" campaign was read by thousands. Each Internet comment written about him or by his campaign were read by thousands. The fire is spreading, not fizzling out.
Unfortunately, there are many, many vast herds. We need to continue with this.
Ron Paul isn't one of the sick ones, though. He's just doing his best. If that isn't good enough, I don't know what is. This is ultimately up to the American people.
I've discovered over the past month or so that I hate the GOP base, stupid ass faux-conservatives they are. I suspect most votes for McCain are cast in hopes of bigger benefits or cheaper labor. At what point does wealth redistribution cease to work?
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
There is something honest about liberals, even though I disagree with them 80% of the time.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! Liberals say government is there to help them rather than lie about it while exploiting taxpayers. Republicans are NOT conservative, for the most part, they are the idiotic greedhead counterpart to the democrats sickly control freaks.
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
I don't know but that point is pretty near, I think.
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I agree. It is very near. The gap is a continually shifting one, but the bleating cries for a "stimulus" package is a good indication.
Germs - Manimal "Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Given the current availability of post-teen virgins, is it really worth wasting your time re-transforming a diseased whore? Probably not. You're probably better off looking out for innocent virgins. maybe it's not only the republican party that has gone past the point of no return but america as well. as a nation, i cuss it for the evil, diseased, disrespected, whore that it is!
So Hillary ain't The Good Witch? :)
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
when the revolution hits...
"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Absolutely agree with ya on this.........they were successful in eliminating that 'thorn in the flesh' called B-1 Bob Dornan. Ron Paul is another of those 'thorn in the flesh' type people, whom they abhor and would thrill to have out of the way.....then there would be NO CONSCIENCE in government representing anyone from places like here.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Such playground bull baiting is even sillier than thinking a conservative "revolution" would be a one election cakewalk.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
He's not bowing out Cyni. Without further illumination it would appear he is just going to paddle out in his little Houston TX rowboat.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
I abhor it. Damned good post, conspirator.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
There's chaos leading up to the convention. TOS is calling for disunity. Ron Paul may be on to something.
I couldn't help liking ole rughead. ;-)
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
ok, Neil, for me, RP's declaration that he and his campaign concluded that vote fraud in NH didn't effect his results there did it for me. vote fraud was proven there and in the subsequent primaries. imo, that should have been his mantra--especially when he knew that he couldn't possibly secure the GOP nomination because of it. i just couldn't and can't get past that.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
I learned my lesson with Pat Buchanan, which is why I never got excited by Ron Paul. Didn't Thomas Jefferson say something like "The tree of liberty must be nourished with blood ever twenty years or so?"
Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.
you and several others..but i thought maybe circumstances were different this time...except for the VOTE FRAUD. that's what i wanted illuminated.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
Dr. Paul seems to be refocusing his energies on his congressional campaign for the moment. We DO need to keep him in Congress, don't we?
I think that is going to be my focus from now on. You can fight everything else all you want but unless you have valid elections, nothing is winnable and nothing will change.
But what about the Myanmar republic? Shouldn't we be more concerned with their right to demonstrate and the denial of their right to vote in free and fair elections? I mean you know, they REALLY HATE US BECAUSE OF OUR FREEDOM.
Depends if you are thinking of revolution or genocide. Seems some rather just slit their own wrists than risk either.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it. I have but one lamp by which my feet are guided, and that is the lamp of experience. I know of no way of judging of the future but by the past. And judging by the past, I wish to know what there has been in the conduct of the British ministry for the last ten years to justify those hopes with which gentlemen have been pleased to solace themselves and the House. Is it that insidious smile with which our petition has been lately received? Trust it not, sir; it will prove a snare to your feet. Suffer not yourselves to be betrayed with a kiss. Ask yourselves how this gracious reception of our petition comports with those warlike preparations which cover our waters and darken our land. Are fleets and armies necessary to a work of love and reconciliation? Have we shown ourselves so unwilling to be reconciled that force must be called in to win back our love? Let us not deceive ourselves, sir. These are the implements of war and subjugation; the last arguments to which kings resort. I ask gentlemen, sir, what means this martial array, if its purpose be not to force us to submission? Can gentlemen assign any other possible motive for it? Has Great Britain any enemy, in this quarter of the world, to call for all this accumulation of navies and armies? No, sir, she has none. They are meant for us: they can be meant for no other. They are sent over to bind and rivet upon us those chains which the British ministry have been so long forging. And what have we to oppose to them? Shall we try argument? Sir, we have been trying that for the last ten years. Have we anything new to offer upon the subject? Nothing. We have held the subject up in every light of which it is capable; but it has been all in vain. Shall we resort to entreaty and humble supplication? What terms shall we find which have not been already exhausted? Let us not, I beseech you, sir, deceive ourselves. Sir, we have done everything that could be done to avert the storm which is now coming on. We have petitioned; we have remonstrated; we have supplicated; we have prostrated ourselves before the throne, and have implored its interposition to arrest the tyrannical hands of the ministry and Parliament. Our petitions have been slighted; our remonstrances have produced additional violence and insult; our supplications have been disregarded; and we have been spurned, with contempt, from the foot of the throne! In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope. If we wish to be free-- if we mean to preserve inviolate those inestimable privileges for which we have been so long contending--if we mean not basely to abandon the noble struggle in which we have been so long engaged, and which we have pledged ourselves never to abandon until the glorious object of our contest shall be obtained--we must fight! I repeat it, sir, we must fight! An appeal to arms and to the God of hosts is all that is left us! They tell us, sir, that we are weak; unable to cope with so formidable an adversary. But when shall we be stronger? Will it be the next week, or the next year? Will it be when we are totally disarmed, and when a British guard shall be stationed in every house? Shall we gather strength by irresolution and inaction? Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have bound us hand and foot? Sir, we are not weak if we make a proper use of those means which the God of nature hath placed in our power. The millions of people, armed in the holy cause of liberty, and in such a country as that which we possess, are invincible by any force which our enemy can send against us. Besides, sir, we shall not fight our battles alone. There is a just God who presides over the destinies of nations, and who will raise up friends to fight our battles for us. The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave. Besides, sir, we have no election. If we were base enough to desire it, it is now too late to retire from the contest. There is no retreat but in submission and slavery! Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston! The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come. It is in vain, sir, to extenuate the matter. Gentlemen may cry, Peace, Peace-- but there is no peace. The war is actually begun! The next gale that sweeps from the north will bring to our ears the clash of resounding arms! Our brethren are already in the field! Why stand we here idle? What is it that gentlemen wish? What would they have? Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death -- Patrick Henry NO THIRD PARTY RUN. ..The only way he could have made a true and lasting difference, and maybe even won the general election, was to go third party right now, after he has used the GOP as a mouthpiece, which he has done. Future pusuits under the GOP flag will do NO good at all. I am deeply disappointed, and so must be all who gave their hard earned money to him. Yes I am cynical. Party over country. NOt the Ron Paul I thought I knew. I am saddened because he has relegated us to the Final Option. I do not like it. I hesitate to embrace it. However, there is no appeal in this court. America is dying. Ron Paul's decision has ensured that it will continue to die. "There has been one rebellion. That comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. What country before ever existed a century & a half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. -- Thomas Jefferson 11/13/1787
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TOS2: Patrick Henry Warns Constitutional Delegates: "I see great jeapardy in this new government."
If you call honesty (Paul isn't a leader) trashing, you're the one who needs help. Your continued faith in a fraud explains all to well why we're in the mess we're are. So pump up the blimp and go vote for the lesser of two evil. Ron Paul, Republican, TX, surely will.
"Cookie" Thornton did more this past week to eliminate govermental waste than any politician has in my lifetime.
IF? We have over 300 million people in this country. Of course there is someone else to run. But with everyone getting behind Ron Paul's run they saw no need to run, now they have to with very little time to organize.
God is always good!
So now Ron Paul is a fraud.... I got no time to bother with that take.
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The honorable gentleman who presides told us that, to prevent abuses in our government, we will assemble in Convention, recall our delegated powers, and punish our servants for abusing the trust reposed in them. O sir, we should have fine times, indeed, if, to punish tyrants, it were only sufficient to assemble the people! Your arms, wherewith you could defend yourselves, are gone; and you have no longer an aristocratical, no longer a democratical spirit. Did you ever read of any revolution in a nation, brought about by the punishment of those in power, inflicted by those who had no power at all? You read of a riot act in a country which is called one of the freest in the world, where a few neighbors cannot assemble without the risk of being shot by a hired soldiery, the engines of despotism. We may see such an act in America.
Told you so.
I got no time to bother with that take. American politics are a fraud, and Ron Paul is a proud member of the Republican branch of the national establishment party. His words, not mine.
You sure did. No wonder we've been ground to dust. It's time to scrape the Ron Paul bumper stickers off their car fenders and replace them with a "Don't tase Me Bro" plea.
Or "don't gas me."
The reality is that Paul cannot win the election more due to the systemic corruption than to a fault of his and our efforts. American people haven't had a choice in the past two presidential elections, why would this one be any different? Romney has "suspended his campaign". Paul is backing off some. Is something happening of which we are not aware? Imminent something? Like Maybe McCain cancer or Pakistan war or something?
Some would compliantly line up after given their bar of soap.
Yes, I agree.
And your inability to state who he should step aside for is amusing.
He has just now proven that by his own words, failing to now run as a third party candidate with a real chance to win the general election. You are correct, sir.
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I tend to agree with you, Pinguinite.
Set down the pipe and back away slowly.....
people.ronpaul2008.com/ca...ou-wont-find-on-fox-news/ A Scorecard You Won’t Find on Fox News Supporter Loren C. sends in this excellent summary of what Ron Paul has achieved so far. A friend of mine asked me tonight, “Should Ron Paul just quit? I never hear of him on the news so he can’t be doing very well today (Super Tuesday).” Here is my reply to him: I don’t care what the liberal media is saying, he has, 2nd place in Nevada 2nd place in Louisiana (possibly first once they get it sorted out) 2nd place in Montana 2nd place in Maine 3rd place in Utah 3rd place in North Dakota There is about 21 more states left to vote, He has plenty of money, No one has even close to enough delegates to take the nomination, He has the only true Republican stance on the issues, He is the only candidate who believes our government should follow ALL of the Constitution, Quit? Not even close. Keep fighting, Ron Paul is! Well said. And while the momentum John McCain has been gaining lately may appear daunting, Ron Paul supporters are the ones who should be least intimidated by it, because as the other, fraudulent alternatives to John McCain fail one by one — Mitt Romney is certainly on the ropes after tonight, especially if, as appears to be the case, he loses California to McCain — the real alternative to McCain-ism, Ron Paul, will only become more attractive to conservative Republican voters. Indeed, it’s interesting to note that so many of the states McCain won tonight were blue states which any Republican (except the antiwar Dr. Paul) will have a hard, if not impossible, time winning in November. And despite his wins tonight, McCain does not have a majority of Republican National Delegates, so the fight for the nomination is still very much on. This entry was posted on Wednesday, February 6th, 2008 at 12:52 am and is filed under primaries. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. You can skip to the end and leave a response. Pinging is currently not allowed.
We can't be treating America as though there IS a way of winning and that all we need to do is find it and win the election. This isn't a movie. It's a slow process. That's something the world controlling elite learned a long time ago. Ron Paul, at this point in time, has accomplished more in his prez candidacy in awakening people than probably any 3rd party candidate has even after a general election. We're definitely better off today than we would be if he never ran. Amen and pass the ashtry!!! Where do these people come from? The man is completely ignored in the media and the debates as a republican Congressman, and yet he's going to come back and win the whole shebang as an independent, even though he would be unable to run as President in at least eight states due to their anti-third party laws? These folks aren't looking for a presidential candidate, they're looking for a Christ figure to perform miracles by snapping his fingers and making "things right."
I had serious concerns about Ron Paul's determination after the NH primaries, where neither he nor his campaign made any sort of effort to join in the recount effort after there was blatent evidence of fraud. Seemed to me at the time that if he were serious about confronting the establishment, he would have made some noise about the matter, and not simply shrugged it off and left it to other people. I was also a bit dismayed with his lack of campaigning, where it was largely his supporters that were running the campaign. I didn't see any sort of effort on his part to wisely spend the donations given him by people scraping their pockets to give him a chance to win.
"real chance?". Try "Fat Chance". I mean if he decided to go independent/3rd party I'd support him, but how can you fault someone who won a seat in congress 10 times while talking about the Constitution? Ron has done the 3rd party thing before. Can't we respect his experience in this decision to stay in the R party? Apparently some can't. Ron's been there. Ron's done that. The vast majority of us haven't done either.
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These people are so full of cynicism and conspiracy theories they're just LOOKING for reasons to abandon Dr. Paul, even where none exist. You're wasting your time. Neither one of us needs to stand up for Dr. Paul. His record speaks for itself. On top of that, the majority of those whining now have never done a damned thing to further the cause of liberty and wouldn't make a pimple on the good doctor's ass.
Exactly.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Thank-you, IndieTX. I'm tired of dancing around the issue. He made it abundantly clear he isn't a leader, nor was Perot or Buchanan before him (all of which I worked for, and financially supported). I 'get' the charade and others will in time.
I won't go that far. I think a lot of us here on 4um have done various amounts of good, each in our own way. Those who have deserve respect and I won't deny them that.
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Are you saying RPs 'experience' has led him to stay in a party which is led by a genocidal mass murdered? A party filled with wide stanced, cross dressing perverts? Who does Paul eat lunch with, the overt Barney Frank or the closet David Drier?No man worth his salt would remain in the Republican party.....
I dislike getting TWO emails asking for money for Pauls Texas run for Congress. The email he sent under his name is self explanatory and very contradictory. Whether Romney is in or out had nothing to do with a brokered convention. That is totally misleading. Regardless of how one perceives Pauls email, the effort has lost its way and it appears it may be terminal.
Abso-freegan-lutly. He is, after all, immune to their cross dressing, both figurative and literal.
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Pauls devotion to the "republican" party was embarrassing. Does he really believe that all of us honestly think there are TWO parties.
Re NH.........as I recall, Ron, if not, then his campaign, said that the results in NH was in line with their own internal polling....so you think he should contest it anyways, spending valuable dollars and time, to fight for perhaps an additional per centage, maybe 2, which still wouldn't gain him a position change, or delegate count? You're saying this, and Ricky J is saying he's spending donations foolishly.........can't have it both ways, IMO. All that effort to have virtually nothing change would have given the msm types ammo to toss out the 'kook', the 'whiner', or any other thing with which they'd try to excoriate him. Thus far, Ron's comportment has been above reproach-- he's been the true gentleman of the game and can't be knocked around by them. One little tiny slip and they'd 'Dean' him in a heartbeat, and the republocraps would be rolling their eyes, and muttering under their breaths, and yet into an open mic, about the weird Dr. No., or some such. So far, they don't have of that kind of ammo to lob at him, to denigrate him in front of any 'newcomers'. Just because his campaign isn't hitting msm doesn't mean that he isn't campaigning. MSM won't do his a favor by mentioning his finish (unless its dead last, of course), so why would you expect them to let you know he was in Michigan, Nevada, Idaho, Timbucktoo, or anyplace else? What part of 'blackout' do you not understand? Remember, too, some of them bastids wouldn't even let him in the friggin 'debates'!!! Do you have access to the information on expenditures of donations? Have you bothered to look at the FEC filings? There are still 20 something states to hold primaries which would require some advertising, I would think. DId you read or hear where Ghouliana spent over $3 million on some advertising--maybe in FLA, while he was still spending oodles of personal time there. I really have to smile at some of these things people are saying...........the gopers started off with 10 candidates, then keyes jumped in, and now all that is left is the Mchurian Candidate, Huckster, Ron, and keyes! Even the richest of all the candidates,either side of the aisle, has suspended!!! And Ron just keeps on moving along, still in the race. He isn't a miracle worker, never professed to be. Everyone should be rejoicing in the new faces that have been brought into the circle of people that have seen the light of the damage done this nation. The sheeple have to be taught first, or learn about it, before change is going to be instigated. Imagine what would/could happen if half a dozen banks had runs on them, or closed in the current economic climate. Don't you believe that even more people will come to realize something is terribly wrong...meaning the Message will be able to continue going outward.
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Sorry to break it to you Cyni, but..... there are only two parties. That matter. The rest are good for, as they say, "educational purposes only". And there's value in that in spreading the word and waking people up, but in terms of getting elected president, they don't exist.
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There is ONE party, the ruling elite government party.
and so you volunteer RP for that job?
Cyni, most likely he realizes there are two parties TO WORK WITHIN. The 'd' head called a party and the "r" head called a party. He knows, after having traveled the 3rd party ticket before, and seeing what happened with Perot, that it would be a cold day in hell before there would be any headway made on that front...........can the Message afford to be lost to the masses for another 4 - 8 years? If I had the desire and/or the time, i'd take on a project entitled, "51+ Sets of Rules and Regulations for Campaigning at the Federal Level in the United States of America".....just so everyone could have easy access to seeing just how difficult it is for anyone other than a 'd' or an 'r' to get on the ballot in all states. I'm sure you'd agree that such a candidate would need to run in each of the 50 states, plus the territories, and the district, don't you? Just imagine it costing a mere $1 million in fees, legal costs, signature collections, etc., in order to get your name on the ballot in every state.......geeze, that would only be $50 MILLION dollars! How many millions did Perot spend just in the state of New York? I recall it as being 'many'.
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The titular leader of his precious GOP should be chained by the neck to a docket at the Hague and tried for war crimes. And RP is choosing to remain aligned to that? The man is a sellout and he wouldn't have collected a dime had people known in advance his proclivity to be surrounded by queers and internationalists. I want my $100 back.
Are you saying we're all dupes because we were too stupid to see that Ron Paul doesn't belong to the ruling elite?
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I don't know what to think.
I want our 9.5 trillion dollars back from the future.
Aren't you a retired cop? A profession whose members routinely abuse their authority? A profession whose members routinely taser and murder their fellow citizens? A profession whose members have been on the take for decades? The same standards you use to condem Ron Paul can legitmatley be used right back at you.
That's gone. Its been bundled up and sold as equities to the Red Chinese by the members of the Washington R&D Charter Club.
That matter. Can't ignore that the first step of awareness is breaking free of affiliation, and many did that. Dems swept to power when pubs said, no more. And dems have shown themselves to be no different, as the polls reflect the opinions (if one believe polls), of the pubic awarness of this FACT. Coming to 'see' there is no difference, and taking the next step of exposing 'who' is in charge of both, is nearly impossible considering the media ownership, and the information habits of the average person now fighting to keep a job and has not the time to see the real bastards pulling the levers. But hey, let's not cut them any slack. They should get it right now dammit, and see and demand Ron Paul pull on some stretchy SuperMan tights and fly from tower to tower. The frustration spewed about his party affiliation rather than the body of his works reflect not on Ron Paul, but on those that have been unable to free themselves from pulling the game right back where it started. Damn Republican. Damn Democrat. Action and deed, uncounted. Try THAT dance on your judgement day and see if flys.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Paul went to great end to make sure we all understood that he was a republican. I do not see anywhere that I said or inferred anyone was stupid. It is difficult to accept that Paul goes for months telling the world what is wrong with this country, blaming both parties equally, and then asserts I am a republican. Well then if that is so, he is part of the problem because the "two" parties got us here.
Yes, NYPD, and If I woke up tomorrow morning and every Kevlar-coated cop in America didn't, I'd throw a kegger party in my front lawn. I hold the same sentiment for the scum pols in DC who utilize them as a palace guard.
There is ONE party, the ruling elite government party. I stand corrected.
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You might want to check his posts about working from inside the party machine, and that he wasn't part of the elite. If you look at it, RP hasn't changed the supporter has, and is trying to shift the 'blame'. If RP were an insider, he'd have all the support needed to defeat the DEMOCRAT. The media's treatment of him would be different. RedState and Wonkette would not have conspired to smear him. That is, if RP was an insider. Truth is, the turncoats always were.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Incorrect. NO they can't because WE QUIT becuase of it. RP did not. Your argument falls flat on its face.
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He has never been so aligned and if you think otherwise then you're wearing some muddy goggles. You act like the GOP is proud to have Ron Paul as a Republican. In case you hadn't noticed, they hate the guy.
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I didn't see any Ron Paul TV adds on the popular channels, just the lame Manchester station that hardly anyone watches. He should have peppered the Boston stations with his ads, especially the week before the NH primary. In terms of the recount, there may well have been huge disparities between the actual vote and that which was reported. Why else resort to the tactics that have taken place so far, with sealed boxes leaving the precincts and open boxes arriving at the recount center? I'm not saying he should have used millions of dollars in the effort, but could have at least voiced concern and taken a stand on the matter, if anything giving moral support to Kucinich and the brave soul who asked for the Republican recount, Albert Howard. Did NOT getting involved help his cause any? If anything, his name would have at least been in the news, where he is now basically a non-person as far as the media is concerned.
He didn't quit. He retired and is receiving pension check IIRC. So no, it doesn't fall on its face.
I did too. I left in my early 30s, went on to two other professions, plus I built a business from the ground up (since sold). How that compares with the actions of a 72 year old Republican party hack is best left for those still addicted to American politics to ponder.
I quit..and he quit..and the reason why is all of the tazerings we've been seeing and I don't believe in placing people into the Criminal Prison Industial Complex and destroying their lives for BAD LAWS..such as marijuana. I can't tell you how much I dumped on the street and allowed the evil weed doers to egress on their own recognisance. The only diff between retiring and quitting is whether or not you took your pension money or left it in for later. I took it all and got out. To hell with the city's "match" when I'm 65
Law Enforcement Against Prohibition "Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx All the more reason to put the Nation Killers in the rear view mirror.
I stand corrected then. For some reason I thought you had retired and were receiving a pension.
I don't get what the big deal is about party affiliation.......my gawd, my own Mother is a democrap! Am I to disown her? Toss her to the wolves? She sure as hell didn't like learning that blow jobs were a part of the WH function any more than I liked hearing about Senator Wide Stance! She is not at fault, just as I am not at fault. The people in action are responsible for their actions. When we discover their actions, then it is up to us to disassociate from that 'evil' person. Ya want him to like and call himself a democrap? Or some other party member when he isn't? People can disagree and still be civil. That he chooses to remain to try to restore the gop to what it once stood for, as back in the days of Goldwater is to his credit. I personally won't give the gopers the time of day. I would only have taken a goper ballot, if necessary, in order to vote for Ron Paul. There is no other goper I would vote for. Not my senators, nor my representative, and sure as hell not Mchurian or Huckleberry or MIttyMouse. I can see where you'd differ, but I can't understand the party thing.......especially knowing that if he said he was anything other than that, they'd be out for his blood, denigrating him as 'two faced', a backstabber, a carpet bagger, a two-timer, a _____________ (fill in the blank)--just anything to mark him as a kook in order to assure his name drops out of society. I've not forgotten B-1 Bob and how the gopers and dems were relieved to have that pain in the ass out of congress. Ditto for Jim Traffi.... And you can bet your sweet bippy it will be likewise with Ron sitting in Congress---they hate and despise the conscience of reason standing up and speaking out. It all gets stuck in the damned Federal Register for eternity.
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A few days ago this fraud of a government received a scare in that the economy seemed to be on the brink of collapse For the masses, they all got together, calling it "bi-partisanship", all buddies, and decide to give away money to the gullible . They were saving our sorry butts, except, just maybe they were saving themselves.
Ah......the NYPD allows one to quit and collect a vested pension if qualified. Your point?
Labels have been meaningless for a very long time. There is only one party, just a right and left wing of the same turkey. The turkey owns and operates both wings.
You mean like the ad we prepaid to run in the Manchester paper on the Sun b4 the primaries and "they forgot"? Those popular ads?
And so you must wonder why all this sudden hatred for Ron Paul. Perhaps the turncoats want him completely out and silenced. Their motive is what?
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
My point doesn't stand. It would only have stood if you had completed your 20 year career and then retired. At that point you would have been applying a double standard. Since this wasn't the case, my point is moot.
I was thinking exactly the same thing. Were convention halls closed to him? Were TV and radio slots refused? In any case, he may have some money left now for better things.
We trusted the word of a lackey. That was enough. But Ron Paul is a turd.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
I had long conversations with the UL, from the newsroom to the editors and publisher. I am as cynical as they come but I came away satisfied that human error (stupidity) was the culprit.
Gotcha. No harm, no foul. 10-4, over and out.
I haven't heard of the Paul campaign being denied ads in the media, have you? It's one thing for the media to ignore private citizen, but I believe there would be hell to pay if a candidate's official campaign was refused ad time.
...and the rest of the media blackout? That was human error as well?
It's happened 3 times that I know of. One was a live broadcast when he was denied a seat at the Fox debate, the second was a paid newspaper ad that was inadvertently forgotten, then the following week, the 4um ad was inadvertently forgotten. So, yeah, denied, yes. As to the number of questions and time allowed to answer, have you followed any of that? If not, you might be SHOCKED to learn, he didn't get equal time. As for being crossed off ballots, airbrushed from ads, left off ballots, not shown on front pages of major newpapers, yeah... that seems to fall in the category of denied. Off the top of by pointy little head.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
That's different. Ron Paul is a turd now... get with it.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Certainly not. I just wanted to clear up that one matter of interest because I was involved.
Do you have access to all the broadcast stations 24/7 and were you monitoring to see if any of his ads were showing? Was there advertising spaces available? Recall that this forum even tried to buy an ad, and it went south-- right after another person did the same thing.........without a legit reason why, other than 'they screwed up'.....an that was immediately before the election. Air time, as I recall with radio and tv, just before elections was hard to come by. And Ron didn't have all the big bucks to even contemplate a lot of ads until the December bomb........so could that have arrived in time, or were guys like romney hoarding the airwaves? Regarding the vote counts.......there could have been differences, but Ron's campaign did not find it to be so. They were right in the ballpark with what his polling showed they would garner. IIRC, he couldn't have gained enough to make a difference. Part of the game is knowing when to hold em and to fold em. After all these years of being a student of history, I would hope that Ron knows which battles to choose to stand and fight vs backing off for another day and another chance at battle. For what its worth, Ron's name is not, has not, nor will it be in the news--except if faux paux are made. Recall the debate where he got onto Ghouli re WOT, and Ghouli told Ron to retract what he had said--the snorting and snickering and laughing by media types--they hold him beneath contempt----but shut their friggin mouths when it was determined that what Ron said was exactly what the beloved 911 commission said! I've not heard a single one of them apologize or withdraw their stupid remarks.....they don't want his name out there. He shows the world how stupid they are. After all, it has been the media types who have told the sheeple for years that the economy, money and finances is too complicated to discuss is such a short time, blah blah blah......and now their ignorance is showing. No doubt, most of the glossy lipped blonde babes and the hairdo foo foo guys haven't a clue as to what a federal reserve note is; certainly no idea of what the gold standard is all about.....or that money is created out of thin air! You wouldn't like somebody who was always making you aware of how stupid you are, would ya? BTW, I am not saying that you are stupid--I'm referring to the talking heads...
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Oh, we agree on that Cyni........i have said that for ages........a two headed leviathan!
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A) That wasn't paid advertising from the candidates, that was a "forum" run by Faux. And yes, I was one of the people waving RP signs out in the streets of Manchester that night. B) I'm not sure what you're talking about on this one. C) 4um is a private entity, it is not the official RP campaign. I agree that he's been ignored by the media since the NH primary. BUT, you're not understanding my point. The point is that he did not campaign in NH like the other candidates did, and that is what I'm talking about.
I have to wonder in the months to come if Paul will indeed endorse McCain or if he will withhold. I would like to ask Paul that question, as a republican, will he endorse McCain.
All I saw on TV were Romney and Guiliani ads for awhile, and then McCain ads. Only days before the primary did I see Ron Paul ads on the more popular stations, yet they were few and far between. And again, 4um is not the offical RP campaign. Perhaps the paper checked the site and had problems with running an ad from our 4um, with some of the posts that are made here concerning Jews and stuff, who knows. Hey man, think what you want, whether it be wishful thinking or denial. I'm just reporting my observations, if that bothers you, then don't read what I write.
Rowdee, There is hardly any sense in arguing with those clearly waiting for their chance to dump all over RP. They are picking apart that which they felt he should have done better, yet, when it was time to put the ad together for the 4um, who actually put their ass on the line with ideas and effort, not to mention cash. They know who they are. Now, the freeking asslicking vultures are here to pick the bones of what they believe a bird not to their liking, which tells me quite alot about their true motives. Waiting for a weakness to go in for the kill. This argument is not about RP the "republican", its about murdering off hope. The yoke is heavier on them, than us.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
It was an accident. LOL
Why? Because they don't like seeing themselves as a part of the problem-- because he speaks to that. If they can get rid of the consciences of decent people, then the debil will have a field day. Up is down, white is black, left is right, east is west--whatever they want it to be. And there is no one out there to correct them! It has to stick in their collective craws everytime the raise issue comes up and Ron Paul speaks out against it.....without him there, there's a soothing effect--they can justify in their evil mind that they deserve it cause they work so hard, blah blah. Spend more money--oh what the hell.........its just paper that someone is printing at our request; we don't have to worry about where it comes from, blah blah, and on and on. Liars get habituated to lying and in no time it doesn't bother them. Even when people talk about lying--you can get them to agree it is wrong--but they don't see that what they are saying is a lie!
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The Internet bit Ron Paul, after feeding him so well. This can and does happen with new technology. It's not "friendly," it just is. And technology always comes with its foibles. I see bad blogging in this, even in both of these posts.
I wonder if McChurian will endorse RP when he gets the nomination.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Your point is that he wasn't there for one little bitty primary. And since that time the front runners have all moved around like beebees in a boxcar. As if him being there would've made a difference in the long run. I think his support was lost before NH. At least from what I see here.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
It doesn't take your taser long to recharge.
If he does, that will be the defining moment for me because I have seen one of the youtube thingies, I think it was, where he indicated as it regards endorsing another candidate that they would have to change their way of thinking. It is obvious that Mchurian would change for anything. He is hellbent on another 100 years of war.......and if Ron endorsed him, I personally will be sending him a letter letting him know exactly how, my own pure unadulterated gutter language, what a 'sleezeball' he had become, etc. I don't believe we'll ever see it happen.............but then again, I was blown away by another person I held in high regard debating torture with Dirtyshitz.....only to find out my 'person' was all in favor of torture--they were just debating the 'finer' details of torture to use, i.e., do you pull the fingernails out in one sharp yank vs gently ripping them out a quarter inch at a time!
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Agree with all you said.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
You're probably right.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
If he endoreses McCain, many of us will be vindicated about Paul. (Party over country to the end!)
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"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Can you name the many of you that held this position all along? Or could it be that since he did not run as an Indy, the many are still pissed? Yes Party over country, and all that.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
l. I'm not a man :) 2. I'm only trying to set aside some of your concerns--my thinking that perhaps you don't live there, working would eliminate your ability to observe 24/7, etc, etc. 3. I've had some experience running a campaign, in that I was a candidate for a state house representative back in the 80s. I learned a lot about advertising back then, as well as how parties operate, fundraising, budgets, and the like. Not everyone has had that sort of experience to bring to the table. 4. If I've made you think I'm not interested in what you write, or your observations, I'm sorry because that is not my intent at all. I am trying to allay some of the concerns and fears that everyone has. Peace.
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Paul with his email has indeed tacitly endorsed McCain. Whether he will do so openly is the question.
Considering you are adverse to answering direct questions, I'll try this again. Did you have proof in you hands that the ad was placed, or just a verbal confirmation? Or perhaps you somehow KNEW Paul was an insider way back then and goaded the rest of us into some scheme to support him. Now you fling around a claim that he HAS tacitly endorsed McCain. Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
I still recall the sickening sight of Buchanan holding up Bob Dole's hand at the convention. I had given the ass more than a grand for the pleasure of becoming violently ill. Nothing a Republican does would come as a shock. The word Republican alone should be enough to make a decent man's skin crawl.
I can see and understand the frustration many have. Having been on a number of forums, I witnessed the agony of faithful followers of Patrick J. Buchanan getting their hopes dashed, likewise Alan Keyes people, and I had friends who were devoted to Ross Perot. And then finally, someone comes down the pike that really has it all together, or seems so--he understands the Constitution, he understands the economy, he understands monetary policy, he understands foreign policy, he's delivered 4,000 plus babies..........and then we find out he's dumb as rocks campaigning. We set aside his 10 runs for the Congress, and the previous 3rd party run for the presidency from our minds. Each of us have a pet 'thing' that the dems or reps wouldn't take a stand on or review, but we just know this guy is gonna make everything 'all right'.......and then he screws up and doesn't satisfy anyone's desires........or so it seems. Where many were seeing light at the end of the tunnel, a damned cavein closed it off--at least in our minds. We ignore the fact that this guy doesn't have all the tools or equipment by himself to clear the tunnel........and we ignore the fact that by getting on the tracks that he's garnered a lot of new believers to all the realities we see around us.........and they'll help clean the cave in out for the next train thats coming through. I know after I learned that Keyes didn't have a problem with torture, I was done with politics. But I wasn't done with politics--I was just done with backing HIM. Yes, I understood and still understand the chance is small that Ron will become the 44th President.....if I just wanted a winner, I'd have jumped on the bandwagon of any number of rotten poltical hacks. But I have to be able to respect whomever I'm voting for..........and that comes from seeing that principles are practiced, not just talked about, etc. So, I'm cutting some slack on the disappointed department personnel. :)
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I can too, and that was a beautiful post. Rowdee, I come at this as a relative newbie, without 45 years experience seeing how the game is a fraud. Having taken counsel from those who have, that now, play the game they sought to destroy. Corralling people to see if they could. Sick.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
I placed the ad. The editor after the fact read it to me verbatim at 11.30 PM on the 6th. Without the ad in hand she would have had zero knowledge. The ad manager was called after midnight for information and the errant employee could not be contacted. They offered to run it on the 7th but we declined at which time the manager and publisher settled the affair to my satisfaction.
It's the primary that set the stage for the rest of the country. Up till then, RP WAS getting some coverage on various networks, including CNN and Fox. Of course Juli Arnie and such were getting more coverage even though they scored lower than RP in the NH primary, but that was to be expected. If Ron Paul had gone out and actively campaigned, speaking to the people and making campaign speeches to the public, then I think he would have done MUCH better to where he couldn't have so easily been ignored and "blackedout". I DID see him in person close up, and to me, he seemed like a tired old guy and looked exhausted. I think perhaps he's just too old to have the energy to do what it takes to actively campaign, and that's the biggest reason he didn't do as well as we all hoped.
I read Ron's response to the NH fraud. His response seemed reasoned, at least. He considered the difference in vote totals between the diebold and non-diebold precincts and reasoned that they also shared differences in demographics, not just in having or not having diebold. Ron didn't claim to believe that there was no fraud, he instead claimed that it was plausible that the counts were accurate -- a very different thing. That contrasted very much with his reaction in Louisiana where he was very vocal in contesting vote counting there. I would hope he would have scored points with you in LA. To me, it's a question of when to defer to another's judgment when that person is someone you know is on your side, and know can be trusted. If they come in your front door and tell you a story about what happened to them in town, then if it's someone you trust, then the first thing you do is you believe them, not start doubting their story. Vote fraud may well be rampant, but Ron has a long history of experience with the establishment. As I've said on this thread, Ron has "been there, done that", and he's definitely on our side. Because of that, I think it's a mistake to toss him aside or dismiss him at the first disagreement. Ron has his reasons for not challenging the NH count and he has good credentials to back up his judgment. While we can and should disagree where we will, I think we should understand that we are disagreeing with a very experienced and trusted hand, and one that's on our side at that. Maybe what we really need is a watchdog organization whose sole purpose is to challenge every federal election involving someone we like (who loses). Pay out the money and do the recounts without the computers. We don't need Ron Paul to create such an organization.
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And it is that playing the game in the present boundaries that pisses us all off--it is so frustrating. But the D & R set those campaign laws in place so as to have a corner, or lock, on the marketplace of political representation. And this is D & R at federal and AT STATE LEVEL. The D and R parties already meet all the requirements--hell, they made the rules--so they're in the catbird seat and calling the shots that the underlings have to play. So, the underling not only has to cowtow to their rules, they then have to tackle all the media sources.......oh wait, they can't do that cause they've already expended all their funds trying to go over hurdles, through hoops, and jumping canyons established by the D & R system, via lawyers to understand each state, district, and territorial election laws, and filing papers, to be told they have to pay large 'entry' fees in addition to having a gazillion signatures-- all within a couple of weeks or so. And so they work like mad to get signatures, and as quickly as they're turned in, the process begins to knock every signature off the petitions as 'disallowed'. You see, there is a certain number of voters that have to petition the secretary of states office to get a person/party on a ballot......come up one approved name short, and you can't run in that state! Getting a few extra signatures isn't a guarantee, but a huge extra number of signatures can save the day. All that money is essentially pissed away because try raising campaign funds when you don't have the dough to send out more begging letters! THe D & R don't have this problem-- they're already secure and have databases of supporters to call upon at a moments notice.........as well as flocks of union workers to 'volunteer' time to man phone banks, etc. Ever hear of a union supporting a 3rd party candidate? Me neither. When I ran for office, I had to pay UP FRONT for any advertising--they wouldn't take my word for it that the bill would be paid. Imagine that.......advertising agencies want to get paid for making the ads, and then the radio, tv, or newspapers want to be paid to run the ads. Well, anyhow...........there's bundles to learn, we all can.........and we need to be supportive where possible of each other.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
They offered to run it on the 7th but we declined at which time the manager and publisher settled the affair to my satisfaction. So, considering Ron Paul had been denied twice in the preceeding week, we had nothing in hand, but a verbal assurance. Now, you are telling us, that Ron Paul has tacitly endorsed McCain. I think I'll wait to see him do it on TV. Since that seems to be the one thing that will get any coverage. Having McCain as the nominee, is the biggest blatent FU to the American people, EVER. I just don't see RP endorsing him, considering his record. One article suggested voting for Cynthia McKinney, Green Party, since she'll be on the ticket. That would be the funniest upset of all time.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
• TACITLY (adverb) The adverb TACITLY has 1 sense: 1. in a tacit manner; by unexpressed agreement
That would be a pretty stupid question. He will NOT endorse McCain. If he does, show me and I'll eat my hat and disown Paul myself. Paul will not endorse him. A far better question is will Paul publicly disown McCain.
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That may well have played a role.
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I try to not ask stupid questions and it is rare to be accused of such.
The D and R parties already meet all the requirements--hell, they made the rules--so they're in the catbird seat and calling the shots that the underlings have to play. So, the underling not only has to cowtow to their rules, they then have to tackle all the media sources.......oh wait, they can't do that cause they've already expended all their funds trying to go over hurdles, through hoops, and jumping canyons established by the D & R system, via lawyers to understand each state, district, and territorial election laws, and filing papers, to be told they have to pay large 'entry' fees in addition to having a gazillion signatures-- all within a couple of weeks or so. And so they work like mad to get signatures, and as quickly as they're turned in, the process begins to knock every signature off the petitions as 'disallowed'. You see, there is a certain number of voters that have to petition the secretary of states office to get a person/party on a ballot......come up one approved name short, and you can't run in that state! Getting a few extra signatures isn't a guarantee, but a huge extra number of signatures can save the day. All that money is essentially pissed away because try raising campaign funds when you don't have the dough to send out more begging letters! THe D & R don't have this problem-- they're already secure and have databases of supporters to call upon at a moments notice.........as well as flocks of union workers to 'volunteer' time to man phone banks, etc. Ever hear of a union supporting a 3rd party candidate? Me neither. When I ran for office, I had to pay UP FRONT for any advertising--they wouldn't take my word for it that the bill would be paid. Imagine that.......advertising agencies want to get paid for making the ads, and then the radio, tv, or newspapers want to be paid to run the ads. Well, anyhow...........there's bundles to learn, we all can.........and we need to be supportive where possible of each other. Rowdee, Thank you for the excellent post. The machine in place is a steam roller. It gives only enough notice to get out of its way or be crushed. The point of RP's candidacy was to expose the steamroller. I think it did. But memories are short, and people won't look at who's driving the roller. ;) Now it's about using what we have learned and move forward. I know, the beatings will continue until morale improves.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
They offered to run it on the 7th, so no, that doesn't fly.
1. in a tacit manner; by unexpressed agreement Thank you.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
I guess today is a rare day.... :^)
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that was not a factor at all. they offered to run the ad on the 7th and we declined because we wanted the Sunday edition #s. we are satisfied, after having spoken with the ad manager and the editor, that it was a mistake made by an inept employee. we were issued an immediate refund too.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
"Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot-access restrictions on them. "But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican." John McCain is a republican. I sent a lot of money Pauls way, with that in mind, I have the right to ask if he will support McCain openly or tacitly as he has done.
They offered to run it on the 7th, so no, that doesn't fly. Oh? And had we accepted, they definitely would have run it on the seventh without any more snafoos. Sure. They offered to run it on the 6th too. Right.
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There's still so much that can happen..... I remember back when George Wallace ran for the presidency, and he was gaining traction--until a gunman decided to change the course of history. I don't wish anything like that on anyone. Period. Not my nature. With that said, the Mchurian candidate could have a relapse with the cancer issue......or he could be swift-planed by veterans against him over the POW/MIA issues--these are my biggest negatives of him. Gurarantee that if he is the nominee, it will be all over the place how he did his first wife, after all she had done while he was a POW, and her serious injuries. Decent people didn't take kindly to Newtie treating his first wift like dirt by asking for a divorce as she lay in a hospital bed.......nor did they take kindly to news of Bob Dole's first wife.While I don't support the gop, the wimmen in the party seem to take a dimmer view of this sort of crap than the demos do. And it will be plastered all over the place about his wife's addiction to drugs. How could he not have known? The Dems will be sure to put it out in the news about how even his fellow senators think he's a loose cannon, unfit to be cic, i.e., Thad Cochran's comments re him. All of Hilary's crap has been out in the open for a long time--its old news........and obamasama seems like the 'clean cut guy'...... Yep.........lots of things could happen. Even with the Huckster.....which would open it back up to mitty and Paul.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Okay, I'll leave it at that.
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When did you cultists develop mind reading capabilities?
Yep.........lots of things could happen. Even with the Huckster.....which would open it back up to mitty and Paul. The only odd thing I can think of at this time, is Mitts comment about 'suspending' his campaign. For some reason, I just thought McCain's pony ride is getting close to the end of the trail. Huck, has been plastered all over the tube lately. Something is definitely up with that. You're right... a lot could yet develop.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Go for it.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Human error on our part is fine. On RP's part means he's really an inside guy. Set your decoder ring accordingly.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
I did...No answer.
Well that's all the proof you need then. That must mean he endorsed McCain.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Many people put in lots of money and TIME in Ron Paul's campaign. You are not the only one.
You are not the only one. I am one who stuck up for Critter and the sheer hell we were putting him through, though he never complained a peep. Tons of input, but supporters, not so much. For all the crabbing about what a failure Ron Paul has been, the question is what did they do to help make him a success. There has to be some personal responsibility taken, and that is all I am getting at. A lot of people bitch but do nothing, and that's the only point. Some people can not, and that was all taken into consideration, as I made clear my donation was small. But working the message to suit the fight against McCain, who the PAPER endorsed was a key point. If we want to rehash all this fine with me. But to me, at this time, people crapping on Ron Paul's efforts do not place equal responsibility on their own efforts. Maybe it is, that he and we, have done all that we can. All that would be allowed. Saying that, then means, Ron Paul opened a door, it's up to the rest of us to keep it open. He can not do it alone, and none of us can either. If it is to be done, we are going to have to decide that it will be done, despite our petty differences. We have to decide. Can we set aside the bullshit, and work together, or be steamrolled forever. Otherwise, this was always an exercise in futility. Any momentum gained from this, will be quickly lost forever. Ron Paul himself said, he may not be the best messenger, but the message was sound.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
You're the one telling everybody what Ron's real motives are, Mr. Spock.
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LOL!
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Damn. I guess it's time to eat my hat!
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Just wait a day or two... perhaps we can set up a buffet. We should hire a photographer too.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
I dont recall saying that, however having given in good faith I would assume I also in good faith have some measure of right to ask what is going to done from this point on. Giving is a two way street, giving in blind faith is not for me.
Pep.... Most everyone can read. Sometimes reading the words without comprehension leaves one without what the author intended. Re read Pauls email a few times. I did. Several times. I have it printed out and hanging here in front of me. If the author of a book intends to make you cry and you dont, who failed? The author that made everyone else cry but not you, or perhaps you failed to comprehend. Whatever you do, dont let Pauls own words confuse you.
I understand your impression of "parties" given your background, but he's not more a "part of the problem" in staying in the GOP than you are "part of the problem" in staying in the United States. Afterall, you do pay many, many taxes which fund the beast's activities, whether it's bombing Iraq or paying the CIA & military agents that engage in torture. Am I wrong? Sure, Ron's in the GOP, but what the GOP is, is not in Ron. You'd prefer he depart the party that dispises him, thus making it's sickness more pure? I am sorry, my friend, but Ron Paul staying in the GOP is a vastly larger problem than me staying in the United States or me staying alive. Let's have some sense of proportions, should we? I am tired of having to repeat this over and over and over but his staying in the GOP only strengthens the GOP by feeding the illusion that the GOP 'bit tent' is the natural residence for libertarians. This is nothing new. The GOP is also feeding the illusion that it is the natural home for 'conservatives', 'Christians', sexually normal people and those who are financially responsible - all untruths, of course. The GOP, like the Demo party is nothing but a power Mafia. It seeks power for the sake of holding it and wielding it and the expressed GOP ideology is little more than an attempt to differentiate itself, on minor issues, from its Demo 'rival'. The fact that most people, even most intelligent people accept these illusions shows how good the illusionists working for 'both' parties happen to be. Does my 'background' have something to do with my understanding of how parties work in the US? Sure it does. Political science happens to be part of my background. I studied it in college and among my college buddies I count a prime minister, the prime minister's wife, a foreign minister, the equivalent of the US speaker of the house and a couple of ambassadors - so 'they' must have thought us something given that it worked quite well in the post-communist East Europe, in a country of tens of millions. I have a pretty good understanding of the US political system even though I will never involve myself in it. My understanding of the 2 party system is a bit more sophisticated and goes way beyond someone's belief that the 2 parties are nothing but machines or tools available to just about anyone who feels like getting himself nominated for some important elected job - if there was a mother of all naive views on how the US 2-party system works, this one would be a good candidate for the title. It IS true that I prefer that Ron Paul and all honest people quit the GOP party and leave only the sick and the monstrous there, all by themselves. All RP and other decent people do by staying in the GOP and the Demos is lending these evil organizations credibility and legitimacy and therefore helping them keep going for a while longer. These being said, if you read what I wrote on this thread, you would notice that I, in fact, salute RP for his decision to do what is good for him and for the people who elected him to represent them. I do not think that his staying in the GOP is a good thing but, clearly, it makes no sense for him to stay in the GOP race for nomination when everyone with a clear mind and their dog can see that he has zero chances to win that nomination. He should not have been in that race in the first place and I've been stating this for quite a while now.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
It sounds like politics never was and never will be your thing, vast. Well... it is true that, for ethical reasons, and this is a pledge I made while in college, I will never involve myself in politics, professionally. Now, as far as understanding of what's going on is concerned, I believe I did state BEFORE that nomination show started that: - RP will NOT win the GOP nomination I didn't comment on the more recent theories/schemes of RP prevailing in a 'brokered convention because that was so much 'out there' and some people were so passionately believing it it, I chose not to state to obvious because there was no need to hurt feelings. I may be mistaken but, I believe, I was right and I am right on all of the above. Aren't I? So, politics may not be 'my thing' and, I do admit that it is not but 'common sense' probably is.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Sounds like a smart move.
RPs motives are to remain a Republican and to keep his House seat safe. Again, those are his words. Tell me something, given that he is 72 years old, and has been in congress for more that 20 years, how do you students of Edgar Cayce explain his failure to groom a younger man/woman to replace him? After all even an heroic figure such as he is isn't immortal. Wouldn't a House legacy be something a 'revolutionary' would want?
Another major disagreement with RP is on term limits. You want to kill the parties? Imposing strict and SHORT term limits could help. One-term term limits are almost guaranteed to kill the parties.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
I appreciate your comments on this thread. My overall feeling right now is ...what, a couple of namby pamby paragraphs and that's where the r3VOLution is going to be left by him? I sure gave him waaaaay too much credit.
Thanks for clueing me in. If the author of a book intends to make you cry and you dont, who failed? The author that made everyone else cry but not you, or perhaps you failed to comprehend. Whatever you do, dont let Pauls own words confuse you. Here are the facts. You have called yourself a conservative, not a Republican. The 'conservative' label has been hijacked, and does not mean what it once did. So what does that make you now? RP says he's a Republican. The Republican party has been hijacked, so what does that make him now? Either you are both true to what those labels used to stand for, and want to restore it's definition, or you have decided that there is one rule for you and a different one for him. It would seem to me, that is now entirely impossible to restore, and a new party should be formed. That said, why bother. With the rampant vote fraud, there is no chance of anyone, or any new party achieving anything for anyone but false hope. RP said from the beginning he was running as a Republican, and now, it seems, you did not take him at his word.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Good point. RP is obviously against term limits, at least personally.
Ah....a Republican House member who reached his political zenith 20 years ago.
So now what?
By extention then anyone who is a conservative is the same? How does that explain the tremendous youth support of Ron Paul?
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Damn right they confuse me because what he held out in his hand belies what his words are saying. What now?
Heck if I know. Wait for the thunder I guess.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
He represented the message of hope and change.
You just said the word conservative has been hijacked, I agree so lets agree to dump it in the crapper. Search for a new label for yourself if you care to, I identify as an American First national. As far as RPs "tremendous youth support" it failed to show up in the primary numbers, but then again thanks to fraud we'll never know his true support.
An American First national. I like it.
Agreed. The young did not care about the label, they cared about the message.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
T/Y angle. I'd exclude any ex-pates who espouse whats best for America from the safety of their coconut tree.
If John McCain is a conservative by anyone's definition, I think that's proof enough for me. Search for a new label for yourself if you care to, I wasn't hung up on them to begin with. Why don't we have a big 'party hat' bonfire first, and see who can part with them. I identify as an American First national. You don't have a Bank do you? ;) Perhaps we don't need Party Machines at all. A bunch of people get up, state their views, debate each other, and let the people vote for the person. Screw the parties. As far as RPs "tremendous youth support" it failed to show up in the primary numbers, but then again thanks to fraud we'll never know his true support. Just because they weren't counted doesn't mean they don't exist. Witness here, many who gave up on the vote process but still remain in love with their affiliation. So, it's a hard thing to measure with any amount of science sprinkled in.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Here are the facts.... I have never belonged to ANY party. Even registered communist once. I WAS a conservative until the Trotskyites hi jacked that label. Since arrival of Bush, I am now an American. Now you have to start over again. hehehehehehe
Jethro... Damn. Sometimes I suspect you are an intellectual hiding under a cops hat. Better be careful others may catch on.
I think a few of us in this place have common enough ground to be involved in a like cause. Perhaps some personal contact information and meeting at some point would give a spark to something. Or at the very least could hook up people who might need like minded support in the days ahead. Spooks need to be filtered out somehow.
Washington State results...30 second clip...very informative. Click Here: www.youtube.com/watch? v=A2yCF0k6Bng
Do you really think the broken and corrupted government can be fixed?
Now you have to start over again. hehehehehehe I don't think so. Again, you run from your own words. That's your battle, not mine.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
I don't think there is enough trust left for anything.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Is too. I am like an onion. I am thin skinned and it is easy to get under. However, there is another layer, and another and another. I am not going to tell you what the part at the center is called, you have to find out on your own. I received my Phd from UHN because I earned it, the old fashioned way. I knew how to read, they taught me how to comprehend. Seeeeeeeeeeee.
NO........ If you go back to the Civil War...The South adopted our original Constitution, with some changes. They were smarter than the Yankees. They foresaw what was happening to the government and instituted TERM LIMITS way back then. They saw the ambitious power loving lifetime politicians crawling out of the woodwork. President, one term, six years and so long loser. The smarter Yankees took another hundred years and FDR to realize there was a problem. Even then we did not get it right, we have people running for office their second term the day their first term starts. That is why the South stopped that BS.
Flatbush Ave. Academy, Magna Cum Laude, class of '67.
I have questioned your claim about the Confederate Constitution instituting term limits before, and you did not give me a satisfactory answer. Apart from the limitation of the President to one six-year term in Article II Section 1(1) of the Confederate Constitution, I do not see term limits in the document. If I am mistaken, perhaps you would be kind enough to point out the provision that does this, and its placement in the document?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Ari...same answer applies. You have to research it. I post from memory. If I recalled everything I have ever read, I would not be wasting my time here.
Jethro... I wont tell on you. Just use more caution when posting, some people do read and see what is unspoken.
I just looked at the document, and see no such provision. I invite anyone on this forum who can point out such a provision in the Confederate Constitution to do so. I do not believe there is any such provision.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Are you intimating I am of unsound mind????? I was doing your research for you, again, and could not find limits per House etc. I DID however refresh my memory that the VP could be elected for life. Now of course, you will tell me you always knew that. sigh...
your #s 258 and 259 so very well reasoned.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
Tell Ari and Pep to stop picking on this olde man or you will take a stick to them. Tell 'em good.
I think you are saying my #288 (my first posting on this thread) is absolutely correct. If it is not, perhaps you would point out my mistake, and cite the relevant provision.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Ari... See my 294.
Absolutely correct????? Certainly not. Absolute leaves me no wiggle room. I would never agree you are correct about anything.
I notice you don't point out any mistake in my #288.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
How can I???? Without proper research, I would be agreeing with you (never) and I wont let that happen until I have exhausted every possible source of affirmation. I expect to be duly vindicated. So there.
Click Here: www.youtube.com/watch? v=A2yCF0k6Bng Thanks Angle, Went for a little coffee break there. BTW, have we gotten to naming Ron Paul the Anti-Christ yet?
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Your humor is duly noted. hehehehe
I think you need to work on your reading skills Cyni. As for your choclatey center, I don't really care to get any closer to it. But if you feel the need to bust out in song about it again, feel free.
"I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the Country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic is destroyed." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809-1865) 16th US President Source: shortly before his assassination
Did you make that clear to the Paul campaign, Cyni--that you want an accounting or that you want him to play the game your way, say the things you want to hear your way, or ?????? I reckon people have different motives for giving. I hope I have the good sense to realize that had my daughter's life been on the line re my selecting Paul as the person who best meets my desires in a president, I'd certainly not have been a betting person. I would hope I have enough sense to realize it was a long shot chance at restoring the republic, or at least getting the ball rolling in that direction. It was that chance for the future that I was/am donating for. I have a different idea of what giving is, or means. I suggest that it means 'freely and without expectation of something in return' is what giving is all about, whether it is a Christmas gift, or a gift to a campaign. The only expectations that I have is that the campaigner will live up to his/her words...I don't like giving anything (well, maybe the 'eagle' salute) to liars.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
Coffee break my eye... You were trying to google to find out what the center of an onion is called. Admit it.
As I see it.... Paul approached me and millions of others, ASKING for money. In fact I have received so many email requests for money that it is ridiculous. Even the bum on the corner mooching a quarter will tell you it is for a cup of coffee. If he buys booze, he fibbed. Paul said he would run for President of the US, takes my dollars and then tells me, he will just go thru the motions. First it was, well, we can settle for a brokered convention, anyone buying that needs help, then he needs to scale back, the broker thing is a no go but PLEASE send me MONEY that I might save my seat in the Congress. The bum fibbed and bought booze. What is Paul doing, I dont know.
The Onion Principle Layer 1 is the outer layer with smooth protective skin. Outside this layer is the world at large including the people we meet, do business with, work with, and with whom we have social contact. Layer 2 is the first inner layer. This is for friends, pals and others we know and like. Layer 3 is the next inner layer. This is for close family members, and close friends we know and trust. Layer 4 is for romantic, trusting friendship (boyfriend/girlfriend) Layer 5 is for embarking on a loving long-term relationship Layer 6 is for the children if the onion is a parent Layer 7 is for a total partnership of love and commitment Layer 8 is the innermost layer (the place where your "inner child" lives). It is your most personal, private inner emotional space. It is important to understand that an onion does not practice universal mistrust of others. That’s unhealthy. An onion is simply a discerning person who knows that emotional layers are precious, and should only be revealed and shared when empathy, trust and understanding have reached a point where it’s safe to go to the next layer with another person.
Cyni, Cyni, Cyni..........why don't you click on the 'Unsubscribe' link on one of them friggin letters. Why expose yourself to the hourly bombardment of 'junk' mail? Why stress out about it? Life is toooooooooo short for that! :) I haven't crunched any numbers, but re a brokered convention.......it appears on the surface to me right now that mitty suspended with bout 600 delegates. M-churian has something like 800. Hucklebuck probably 400......how many are left to be split? It takes over ll00 to get the nomination. I haven't read where mitty released his delegates; there may be various state laws, or national party laws that don't make provisions for releasing or not releasing. So when convention time comes, and no one has the requisite 1100 what are they gonna do? A trip over to TOS1 shows major league unhappiness with M-churian by the rank and file--and note that TOS1 has generally sided with CPAC in the past--they've had booths set up there and had radio reporting from there; CPAC didn't embrace him......so something is gonna have to give at the convention to get someone selected/elected for the gop ticket. I am not saying that Ron would necessarily be put up as an acceptable candidate they all could embrace, but he would have leverage to force some positive policy (for instance, monetary policy or economic policy) in order to put his delegates in someone elses' column. But then, on the other hand, Ron has been a perfect gentleman throughout this campaigning, he's not been 'kooky', or a nutjob......he would be/could be perfectly acceptable as an alternative to those who would vote for hilary before voting for M-churian, or those who hate evangelicals, or who don't like flipfloppers. Granted, the PTB wouldn't be thrilled, but they still have their hilary or obama they cam peddle to the public. Ron then becomes the scapegoat for all the gopers, buys time for them to clean up their image for four to eight years, in the hopes of recapturing the WH again at some point in time. Congresscowards would like that idea, too, because it gets him out of being the conscience of Congress and the Constitution. Both parties hacks would try to override the vetos he'd do, while the gopers would blame it on the demos or some such........OR maybe, just maybe, those with a little bit of hair on their chest might grow a set of testicles and follow his lead.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
At the center of the onion is the shoot of the new onion plant.
Please dont remind me, 76 in a few days, and the friendly undertaker stops by once a week to see how I am and brings a tape measure.
Pep and the rest think of me just as a smelly olde onion. No sense of humor and they look down on us onions, but actually we have quite a history.
What? Only 76. Willie Nelson is 74. Hell I was under the impression you were in your eighties. Well, no more elder reverence from me, you can count on that. And you're not old enough to call yourself olde, either.
has it really been almost a year since he made this speech? unreal.
Glory to God in the highest, and Peace to His people on Earth. hard to believe
Indeed. I'm watching Obama now, mingling with the good peoples of Baltimore. It's beautiful. Cold but beautiful.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
#2. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
If I may quote Trotsky of all people, this Revolution is permanent.
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Freedom will come at the barrel of a gun or for the more timid, compliance to government dictate. That choice is ours to reach independently.
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
#5. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
(Edited)
I also have another priority. I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down. And I have another battle I must face here as well. If I were to lose the primary for my congressional seat, all our opponents would react with glee, and pretend it was a rejection of our ideas. I cannot and will not let that happen.
#6. To: gengis gandhi (#5)
#7. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
I wish there were more representatives like him.
#8. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator (#1)
As a loyal GOP member, RP is part of the problem, not part of any imaginable solution. His liberty talk, while nice to listen to, it is very much harmless to the system as it is confined inside the GOP section of the 2-party system. By staying an active member of one of the parties of mass murder, global interventions and ever more intrusive control in an individual's life, RP only, if not intentionally, legitimizes the system and enforces the illusion that the system is sound, viable, reasonable
#9. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#6)
#10. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Freedom will come at the barrel of a gun or for the more timid, compliance to government dictate. That choice is ours to reach independently.
#11. To: Esso (#10)
the vapors
#12. To: gengis gandhi (#5)
"The continuation of my personal career as a congressman is far more important than any attempt at greater change."
#13. To: gengis gandhi (#9)
Looks to me alot like another official selling out his supporters for his personal gain, but I am on a koolaid free diet...have been for years.
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#14. To: Jethro Tull (#11)
#15. To: christine (#12)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#16. To: gengis gandhi (#9)
#17. To: Cynicom (#14)
#18. To: christine (#8)
i have to say that RP's declaration that he is a republican and will remain a republican sickens me.
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
#20. To: Cynicom (#19)
#21. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)
The system is now pushing forward its most suitable choices: McCain, Hillary.
#22. To: Fred Mertz (#21)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#23. To: Cynicom (#14)
I have been searching the MSM for some hint of Paul bowing out but have not found even a hint.
#24. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#16)
#25. To: (#23)
#26. To: Sam Houston (#23)
#27. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)
#28. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
(Edited)
#29. To: BrentFromCanada (#24)
(Edited)
he's also speaking out about conservative republicans getting their party back.
#30. To: Cynicom (#14)
(Edited)
If we were correct in assuming the MSM was actually ignoring Paul, then it follows that they would acknowledge their success in some small manner. Nothing.
#31. To: Hayek Fan (#28)
#32. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#31)
I always wondered why he doesn't spend more effort in the Congress to turn the few libertarian-leaning fellow congressmen into a small, distinct 'third party'.
#33. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)
#34. To: Hayek Fan (#32)
#35. To: christine (#8)
i couldn't agree more. i have to say that RP's declaration that he is a republican and will remain a republican sickens me. it's a sick party inhabited by sick people.
#36. To: Cynicom (#19)
If you analyze his email you will find it totally contradictory. Suddenly he is a true republican but yet we are to forget that years ago he ran under a different title for president.
#37. To: christine (#33)
#38. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#34)
I am aware of the LC. He should now show leadership and call for the establishment of an entity separate from the GOP. If there's enough of them to decide which party gets to nominate the speaker, they are going to do quite well with committee membership and whatever other perks they are getting there.
#39. To: Cynicom (#27)
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#40. To: Zoroaster, christine (#35)
Me too, Christine, a political party that elevates a moron of the privilged class to the highest office in the land does not deserve to exist.
#41. To: Hayek Fan (#40)
#42. To: Hayek Fan (#40)
What does that say about the people that elected him? I would say that a country that elects such a moron to the highest office in the land does not deserve the freedom they claim to want.
#43. To: Hayek Fan (#40)
#44. To: Zoroaster (#42)
#45. To: christine (#43)
#46. To: Zoroaster (#42)
I can't say I disagree with you. More than likely the freedom you speak of will soon disappear from the American scene.
#47. To: christine (#43)
#48. To: christine (#43)
i don't believe the people elected him. we're given selections and the latest is clinton/bush/clinton/bush/clinton/bush. to that end, shame on us for not revolting against these elitist globalist pigs.
#49. To: Cynicom (#47)
Paul has destroyed any organized effort by Americans on the right of having a choice in this election. His failure to step aside is appalling.
#50. To: Cynicom (#47)
#51. To: Cynicom (#47)
#52. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#41)
Another point of agreement. And this is one of my major disagreements with RP. He keeps saying the the American people is not responsible for the carnage in Iraq but we all know that this is not so. It was the American people who elected and re-elected Bush as the carnage was raging there and it's the people who keep feeding and nurturing the current system.
#53. To: Hayek Fan, TwentyTwelve, Critter, palo verde, who knows what evil (#52)
#54. To: Hayek Fan (#48)
#55. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, *Ron Paul for President 2008* (#0)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#56. To: Esso, Jethro Tull, TwentyTwelve, Wudidiz, christine, robin, Peppa, all (#10)
You just gave several of the "violence never solves anything" pussies that post here a fit of the vapors with that post. Good job.
#57. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
". I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down..."
#58. To: nobody, Hayek Fan, all (#54)
I'm sure millions of clowns voted for Bush. Doesn't mean he was ever nominated or elected by any legitimate process, though.
#59. To: castletrash (#57)
". I have constituents in my home district that I must serve. I cannot and will not let them down..."
#60. To: Hayek Fan (#59)
#61. To: castletrash (#60)
Well illegal immigration and the war were tops for me, I wasn't really insisting on tancredo
#62. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
(Edited)
Of course, I am committed to fighting for our ideas within the Republican party, so there will be no third party run. I do not denigrate third parties -- just the opposite, and I have long worked to remove the ballot- access restrictions on them. But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican.
#63. To: Cynicom (#27)
"......He is maintaining his grip on the movement to the very end "
#64. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, wudidiz, FOH, Original_Intent, robin (#0)
#65. To: Hayek Fan (#38)
(Edited)
I'm not sure what else he can do within the party to rally dedicated, like- minded individuals. The problem is that there are no dedicated, like-minded individuals in Congress. This isn't Paul's fault, it's the fasult of the American people who appear to want big government Representatives and Senators.
#66. To: christine, Hayek Fan, Critter, palo verde, who knows what evil (#53)
what's the reaction to this on the RP forums?
#67. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
#68. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#62)
Where he loses me is when he says that he's a Republican out of loyalty instead of practical strategy. I know you can't come out and say that you hate your political party, but why the sudden love?
#69. To: Rupert_Pupkin. the thread (#62)
Ron Paul is right that if he had stayed a Libertarian, he wouldn't have even made it to Congressman. The system is rigged to keep Third Parties out of the picture. The mass media won't cover them, it's hard to get on the ballot, etc. So from a strategic point of view, it makes sense for him to be a Republican, though he could have just as easily been a Democrat.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#70. To: Hayek Fan (#68)
This has never been his goal. On all of the debates and in his writings he has always talked about bringing the Republican Party back to its roots, back to the days of William Taft, Robert Taft, Barry Goldwater, etc., etc. He doesn't hate his political party at all. He is trying to wake them up.
#71. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#65)
Whose fault is it if millions of voters are happy enough with John McCain and Hillary Clinton to not bother doing the legwork and find somebody else?
#72. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#45)
(Edited)
Yes, every time I hear of this Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton-Bush thing the first thought that comes to mind is: WHAT HAPPENED TO THE KENNEDIES? :)))))))
#73. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#70)
It isn't the party of Taft or Coolidge today, it's the party of John McCain and George Bush. And it's going to stay the party of McCain and Bush for as long as people are conned into thinking that the GOP is a real alternative to or a lesser evil than the Democrats.
#74. To: Hayek Fan (#73)
(Edited)
#75. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#74)
I think that Ron Paul should keep aggressively campaigning to get the message out until the last primary ballots are cast, and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#76. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#74)
That's why I think that Ron Paul should keep aggressively campaigning to get the message out until the last primary ballots are cast, and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention. If he's about reforming the party from within, or at least making a difference by working within the system, so why cut back on getting the word out now?
#77. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
As a loyal GOP member, RP is part of the problem, not part of any imaginable solution.
#78. To: Jethro Tull (#2)
Trotsky is to real revolution, what Ron Paul is to Roberts Rules of order. With his loyalty oath to the GOP, RP and his effort are hereby deposited, head first, into the ash heap of history alongside that of Perot's "United we Stand" and the "Buchanan Brigades."
#79. To: gengis gandhi (#5)
"The continuation of my personal career as a congressman is far more important than any attempt at greater change."
#80. To: christine (#8)
i have to say that RP's declaration that he is a republican and will remain a republican sickens me. it's a sick party inhabited by sick people.
#81. To: Cynicom (#14)
#82. To: Cynicom (#19)
Rather odd that TWO days after McCain calls for party unity, Paul becomes a devout republican. Damned odd.
#83. To: robin (#75)
#84. To: Cynicom (#27)
For instance if the message Paul carried really meant something to him, he would step ASIDE, bow out and let someone else perhaps take the tiller.
#85. To: Pinguinite (#81)
Obviously he was pinning hopes on a brokered convention, but he's not withdrawing from the race.
#86. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#83)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#87. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)
How about some efforts from the post-Hitler Nazis or the post-Mussolini fascists of getting their party back? I believe that there are some neocommunists claiming exactly that in East Europe and Russia. It's like trying to turn some diseased, bruised whore back into her former virgin so that you can marry her.
Given the current availability of post-teen virgins, is it really worth wasting your time re-transforming a diseased whore?
#88. To: Pinguinite, Cynicom, _________ (#81)
#89. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
(Edited)
there will be no third party run.
#90. To: Cynicom (#47)
His failure to step aside is appalling.
#91. To: castletrash (#60)
Well illegal immigration and the war were tops for me,
#92. To: castletrash (#63)
That I would think is more up to the group than him. They should find someone else.
#93. To: TwentyTwelve (#67)
The mass media blackout is the major reason that most Americans have never even heard of Ron Paul.
It is sad, but the radio networks, the newspapers, the television networks, and other media still control the masses.
#94. To: Pinguinite (#91)
To that end, I'll favor whatever candidate for pres is most likely to bring the troops home.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#95. To: Hayek Fan (#68)
Dr. Paul is and has been doing the best he can working within the only system he has to work with. This idea that he should quit the Republican Party and become a third party or "anti-party" candidate is pie-in-the-sky dreamings. The system is stacked against people outside of the two-party fraud. If he would have done what people here want him to do, he would be nowhere right now.
If he left the Republican Party now and ran as an independent he would also get nowhere. Jesus Christ, look how the media treated him as a Republican! If he ran as an independent or third party candidate, he would not be allowed onto a single debate. Dr. Paul doesn't have the billions of dollars Ross Perot had to buy the air time needed to present his thesis to the American people. This is the ONLY way Dr. Paul would get the type of groundswell he would need for the government-media complex to allow him onto the debates.
#96. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#74)
and then refuse to endorse McCain at the GOP convention.
#97. To: Pinguinite (#79)
Ron Paul should not be asking for anymore donations, IMO.
#98. To: Hayek Fan (#76)
With Paul gone, there will be no one else in Congress to propose legislation which exposes the Republicans as the liars and hypocrites they are.
#99. To: Pinguinite (#90)
I do hope to see your definition of "step aside" in this context.
#100. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, Pinguinite, FOH, christine, robin, Cynicom (#1)
So, if your aim is 'freedom', forget about Ron Paul. He has freely decided to stay a GOP, he freely entered the GOP nomination race for prez and he now freely decided to focus on his congressional race. Don't follow Ron Paul, follow his example.
As I grew up, in a communist-controlled state, ...
There is no place to run now. Please keep that in mind. The Anglo-American establishment has its tentacles into every aspect of the world's economy. This is now your country. (I presume you are a citizen.) You are now one of us, and any complacency or discouragement you might feel is reflected all across the country.
#101. To: Pinguinite, Hayek Fan (#98)
Which is necessary only for the vast herds of sheep grazing across America.
#102. To: buckeye (#100)
Each article written on his "Quixotic" campaign was read by thousands. Each Internet comment written about him or by his campaign were read by thousands. The fire is spreading, not fizzling out.
#103. To: christine, a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator (#8)
it's a sick party inhabited by sick people.
#104. To: buckeye, christine, a vast rightwing conspirator, Arator, robin (#103)
#105. To: Dakmar (#104)
I've discovered over the past month or so that I hate the GOP base, stupid ass faux-conservatives they are.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#106. To: robin (#105)
(Edited)
#107. To: Dakmar (#104)
At what point does wealth redistribution cease to work?
#108. To: Pinguinite, Dakmar (#107)
#109. To: buckeye (#108)
The gap is a continually shifting one, but the bleating cries for a "stimulus" package is a good indication.
#110. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#29)
It's like trying to turn some diseased, bruised whore back into her former virgin so that you can marry her.
#111. To: BrentFromCanada (#110)
maybe it's not only the republican party that has gone past the point of no return but america as well
#112. To: Dakmar (#109)
#113. To: buckeye (#112)
I was looking for a retort... and I found this.
#114. To: Hayek Fan (#76)
With Paul gone, there will be no one else in Congress to propose legislation which exposes the Republicans as the liars and hypocrites they are.
#115. To: rowdee (#114)
Jim Trafficant bump
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#116. To: Esso, Jethro Tull (#10)
Freedom will come at the barrel of a gun
#117. To: Cynicom (#14)
I have been searching the MSM for some hint of Paul bowing out but have not found even a hint.
#118. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#1)
I do not appreciate his insistence in staying in the GOP party
#119. To: iconoclast (#118)
#120. To: lodwick (#115)
Jim Trafficant bump
#121. To: Pinguinite (#80)
#122. To: Christine (#121)
#123. To: Zoroaster (#122)
I learned my lesson with Pat Buchanan
#124. To: christine (#121)
Remember...G-d saved more animals than people on the ark. www.siameserescue.org
#125. To: christine (#123)
except for the VOTE FRAUD. that's what i wanted illuminated.
My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places. -- Winnie the Pooh
#126. To: farmfriend (#125)
#127. To: Zoroaster (#122)
I learned my lesson with Pat Buchanan, which is why I never got excited by Ron Paul. Didn't Thomas Jefferson say something like "The tree of liberty must be nourished with blood ever twenty years or so?"
#128. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, noone222, _______, all (#0)
(Edited)
No man thinks more highly than I do of the patriotism, as well as abilities, of the very worthy gentlemen who have just addressed the House. But different men often see the same subject in different lights; and, therefore, I hope it will not be thought disrespectful to those gentlemen if, entertaining as I do opinions of a character very opposite to theirs, I shall speak forth my sentiments freely and without reserve. This is no time for ceremony. The questing before the House is one of awful moment to this country. For my own part, I consider it as nothing less than a question of freedom or slavery; and in proportion to the magnitude of the subject ought to be the freedom of the debate. It is only in this way that we can hope to arrive at truth, and fulfill the great responsibility which we hold to God and our country. Should I keep back my opinions at such a time, through fear of giving offense, I should consider myself as guilty of treason towards my country, and of an act of disloyalty toward the Majesty of Heaven, which I revere above all earthly kings.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#129. To: All, REDPANTHER (#128)
PING
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#130. To: who knows what evil (#124)
#131. To: IndieTX, richard9151 (#128)
#132. To: Pinguinite (#78)
You trash RP's efforts because why? Because he didn't succeed?
#133. To: iconoclast, Esso, all (#116)
#134. To: Pinguinite (#92)
(Edited)
If there was someone else, the group would have found him (or her) long before Ron started his presidential run.
#135. To: Jethro Tull (#132)
Your continued faith in a fraud explains all to well why we're in the mess we're are.
#136. To: buckeye (#131)
#137. To: Jethro Tull (#116)
#138. To: Pinguinite (#135)
So now Ron Paul is a fraud....
#139. To: Esso (#137)
#140. To: Jethro Tull (#139)
#141. To: Cynicom (#47)
Paul has destroyed any organized effort by Americans on the right of having a choice in this election. His failure to step aside is appalling.
#142. To: buckeye (#140)
#143. To: Original_Intent (#56)
but in short the voting (and media) system is currently so rigged that there is no way for an honest Candidate, not a controlled by the Banksters Machine Candibot, to win.
#144. To: Cynicom (#47)
(Edited)
Paul has destroyed any organized effort by Americans on the right of having a choice in this election. His failure to step aside is appalling.
#145. To: Jethro Tull (#138)
(Edited)
American politics are a fraud, and Ron Paul is a proud member of the Republican branch of the national establishment party. His words, not mine.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#146. To: RickyJ (#134)
IF? We have over 300 million people in this country. Of course there is someone else to run. But with everyone getting behind Ron Paul's run they saw no need to run, now they have to with very little time to organize.
#147. To: Pinguinite (#146)
#148. To: IndieTX (#145)
third party candidate with a real chance to win the general election.
#149. To: Pinguinite, FOH (#146)
#150. To: Pinguinite (#146)
Organize what? A 3rd party run? They don't work, though there will be a Libertarian candidate to vote for.
#151. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
(Edited)
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#152. To: IndieTX (#145)
failing to now run as a third party candidate with a real chance to win the general election.
#153. To: Pinguinite (#152)
(Edited)
Ron has done the 3rd party thing before. Can't we respect his experience in this decision to stay in the R party? Apparently some can't. Ron's been there. Ron's done that. The vast majority of us haven't done either.
#154. To: Hayek Fan (#153)
On top of that, the majority of those whining now have never done a damned thing to further the cause of liberty and would make a pimple on the good doctor's ass.
#155. To: IndieTX (#145)
#156. To: Hayek Fan (#153)
On top of that, the majority of those whining now have never done a damned thing to further the cause of liberty and wouldn't make a pimple on the good doctor's ass.
#157. To: Pinguinite, all (#152)
(Edited)
Can't we respect his experience in this decision to stay in the R party?
#158. To: angle (#141)
Paul is backing off some
#159. To: Jethro Tull (#157)
Are you saying RPs 'experience' has led him to stay in a party which is led by a genocidal mass murdered? A party filled with wide stanced, cross dressing perverts?
#160. To: Jethro Tull (#157)
No man worth his salt would remain in the Republican party.....
#161. To: FormerLurker, RickyJ (#151)
#162. To: Cynicom (#160)
Does he really believe that all of us honestly think there are TWO parties.
#163. To: Pinguinite (#162)
there are only two parties.
#164. To: christine (#123)
except for the VOTE FRAUD. that's what i wanted illuminated.
#165. To: Cynicom (#160)
Does he really believe that all of us honestly think there are TWO parties.
#166. To: Pinguinite, cynicom, all (#159)
Abso-freegan-lutly.
#167. To: Cynicom (#163)
There is ONE party, the ruling elite government party.
#168. To: Cynicom (#160)
Does he really believe that all of us honestly think there are TWO parties.
#169. To: Jethro Tull (#166)
I want my $100 back.
#170. To: Jethro Tull, Pinguinite (#166)
The titular leader of his precious GOP should be chained by the neck to a docket at the Hague and tried for war crimes. And RP is choosing to remain aligned to that? The man is a sellout and he wouldn't have collected a dime had people known in advance his proclivity to be surrounded by queers and internationalists. I want my $100 back.
#171. To: buckeye (#169)
I want our 9.5 trillion dollars back from the future.
#172. To: Pinguinite (#162)
Sorry to break it to you Cyni, but..... there are only two parties.
#173. To: rowdee (#167)
Are you saying we're all dupes because we were too stupid to see that Ron Paul doesn't belong to the ruling elite?
#174. To: Hayek Fan (#170)
Aren't you a retired cop?
#175. To: Cynicom (#163)
#176. To: rowdee (#167)
Are you saying we're all dupes because we were too stupid to see that Ron Paul doesn't belong to the ruling elite?
#177. To: Hayek Fan, JETHRO TULL (#170)
Aren't you a retired cop? A profession whose members routinely abuse their authority? A profession whose members routinely taser and murder their fellow citizens? A profession whose members have been on the take for decades? The same standards you use to condem Ron Paul can legitmatley be used right back at you.
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#178. To: Jethro Tull (#174)
Yes, NYPD, and If I woke up tomorrow morning and every Kevlar-coated cop in America didn't, I'd throw a kegger party in my front lawn. I hold the same sentiment for the scum pols in DC who utilize them as a palace guard.
#179. To: Jethro Tull (#166)
The titular leader of his precious GOP should be chained by the neck to a docket at the Hague and tried for war crimes. And RP is choosing to remain aligned to that?
#180. To: rowdee, RickyJ (#161)
Re NH.........as I recall, Ron, if not, then his campaign, said that the results in NH was in line with their own internal polling....so you think he should contest it anyways, spending valuable dollars and time, to fight for perhaps an additional per centage, maybe 2, which still wouldn't gain him a position change, or delegate count? You're saying this, and Ricky J is saying he's spending donations foolishly.........can't have it both ways, IMO.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#181. To: IndieTX (#177)
WE QUIT becuase of it.
#182. To: Hayek Fan (#178)
Yet you didn't quit.
#183. To: Hayek Fan (#181)
(Edited)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#184. To: Pinguinite (#179)
You act like the GOP is proud to have Ron Paul as a Republican. In case you hadn't noticed, they hate the guy.
#185. To: Jethro Tull (#182)
I did too. I left in my early 30s, went on to two other professions, plus I built a business from the ground up (since sold). How that compares with the actions of a 72 year old Republican party hack is best left for those still addicted to American politics to ponder.
#186. To: Cynicom (#173)
#187. To: Pinguinite (#175)
#188. To: Hayek Fan (#181)
He didn't quit. He retired and is receiving pension check IIRC
#189. To: rowdee (#186)
#190. To: FormerLurker, christine (#180)
He should have peppered the Boston stations with his ads, especially the week before the NH primary.
#191. To: rowdee (#186)
And you can bet your sweet bippy it will be likewise with Ron sitting in Congress---they hate and despise the conscience of reason standing up and speaking out. It all gets stuck in the damned Federal Register for eternity.
#192. To: Jethro Tull (#188)
Ah......the NYPD allows one to quit and collect a vested pension if qualified. Your point?
#193. To: angle (#190)
#194. To: angle (#190)
You mean like the ad we prepaid to run in the Manchester paper on the Sun b4 the primaries and "they forgot"? Those popular ads?
#195. To: angle (#190)
#196. To: Hayek Fan (#192)
(Edited)
#197. To: angle (#190)
You mean like the ad we prepaid to run in the Manchester paper on the Sun b4 the primaries and "they forgot"? Those popular ads?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#198. To: Cynicom (#195)
I am as cynical as they come but I came away satisfied that human error (stupidity) was the culprit.
#199. To: FormerLurker (#197)
(Edited)
I haven't heard of the Paul campaign being denied ads in the media, have you? It's one thing for the media to ignore private citizen, but I believe there would be hell to pay if a candidate's official campaign was refused ad time.
#200. To: angle (#198)
...and the rest of the media blackout? That was human error as well?
#201. To: angle (#198)
.and the rest of the media blackout? That was human error as well?
#202. To: FormerLurker (#180)
#203. To: Cynicom (#189)
#204. To: Peppa (#199)
One was a live broadcast when he was denied a seat at the Fox debate, the second was a paid newspaper ad that was inadvertently forgotten, then the following week, the 4um ad was inadvertently forgotten.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#205. To: rowdee (#202)
You wouldn't like somebody who was always making you aware of how stupid you are, would ya?
#206. To: rowdee (#202)
Do you have access to all the broadcast stations 24/7 and were you monitoring to see if any of his ads were showing? Was there advertising spaces available? Recall that this forum even tried to buy an ad, and it went south-- right after another person did the same thing.........without a legit reason why, other than 'they screwed up'.....an that was immediately before the election.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#207. To: rowdee (#202)
#208. To: angle (#190)
You mean like the ad we prepaid to run in the Manchester paper on the Sun b4 the primaries and "they forgot"? Those popular ads?
#209. To: Peppa (#191)
#210. To: Peppa (#207)
#211. To: Cynicom. RP friends here (#205)
I would like to ask Paul that question, as a republican, will he endorse McCain.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#212. To: FormerLurker (#204)
BUT, you're not understanding my point. The point is that he did not campaign in NH like the other candidates did, and that is what I'm talking about.
#213. To: Peppa (#212)
#214. To: Cynicom (#205)
#215. To: rowdee (#209)
Why? Because they don't like seeing themselves as a part of the problem-- because he speaks to that. If they can get rid of the consciences of decent people, then the debil will have a field day. Up is down, white is black, left is right, east is west--whatever they want it to be. And there is no one out there to correct them!
#216. To: buckeye (#210)
I see bad blogging in this, even in both of these posts.
#217. To: Cynicom (#205)
"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx
#218. To: buckeye (#213)
It doesn't take your taser long to recharge.
#219. To: IndieTX (#217)
(Edited)
To: Cynicom If he endoreses McCain, many of us will be vindicated about Paul. (Party over country to the end!)
#220. To: FormerLurker (#206)
#221. To: Peppa, IndieTX (#219)
Can you name the many of you that held this position all along?
#222. To: Cynicom (#221)
#223. To: IndieTX (#217)
#224. To: Peppa (#207)
#225. To: rowdee (#224)
So, I'm cutting some slack on the disappointed department personnel. :)
#226. To: Peppa (#222)
Did you have proof in you hands that the ad was placed, or just a verbal confirmation?
#227. To: Peppa (#212)
(Edited)
Your point is that he wasn't there for one little bitty primary.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#228. To: christine (#121)
ok, Neil, for me, RP's declaration that he and his campaign concluded that vote fraud in NH didn't effect his results there did it for me. vote fraud was proven there and in the subsequent primaries. imo, that should have been his mantra--especially when he knew that he couldn't possibly secure the GOP nomination because of it. i just couldn't and can't get past that.
#229. To: Peppa (#225)
#230. To: Cynicom (#226)
placed the ad. The editor after the fact read it to me verbatim at 11.30 PM on the 6th. Without the ad in hand she would have had zero knowledge. The ad manager was called after midnight for information and the errant employee could not be contacted.
#231. To: Peppa (#230)
#232. To: Cynicom (#205)
I would like to ask Paul that question, as a republican, will he endorse McCain.
#233. To: FormerLurker (#206)
with some of the posts that are made here concerning Jews and stuff, who knows.
#234. To: Pinguinite (#232)
That would be a pretty stupid question.
#235. To: rowdee (#229)
And it is that playing the game in the present boundaries that pisses us all off--it is so frustrating. But the D & R set those campaign laws in place so as to have a corner, or lock, on the marketplace of political representation. And this is D & R at federal and AT STATE LEVEL.
#236. To: Pinguinite (#233)
That may well have played a role.
#237. To: Cynicom (#231)
• TACITLY (adverb) The adverb TACITLY has 1 sense:
#238. To: Cynicom (#234)
#239. To: FormerLurker, Pinguinite (#206)
Perhaps the paper checked the site and had problems with running an ad from our 4um, with some of the posts that are made here concerning Jews and stuff, who knows.
#240. To: Peppa (#237)
#241. To: Jethro Tull (#236)
#242. To: Peppa (#235)
#243. To: christine (#239)
we are satisfied, after having spoken with the ad manager and the editor, that it was a mistake made by an inept employee. we were issued an immediate refund too.
#244. To: Pinguinite (#241)
Oh? And had we accepted, they definitely would have run it on the seventh without any more snafoos. Sure.
#245. To: rowdee (#242)
All of Hilary's crap has been out in the open for a long time--its old news........and obamasama seems like the 'clean cut guy'......
#246. To: Cynicom (#240)
John McCain is a republican. I sent a lot of money Pauls way, with that in mind, I have the right to ask if he will support McCain openly or tacitly as he has done.
#247. To: Pinguinite (#243)
Okay, I'll leave it at that.
#248. To: Peppa (#246)
Go for it.
#249. To: Cynicom (#248)
I did...No answer.
#250. To: Peppa, _______, Cynicom (#246)
#251. To: TwentyTwelve (#250)
Many people put in lots of money and TIME in Ron Paul's campaign.
#252. To: Jethro Tull (#244)
When did you cultists develop mind reading capabilities?
#253. To: Pinguinite (#252)
You're the one telling everybody what Ron's real motives are, Mr. Spock.
#254. To: Peppa (#249)
That must mean he endorsed McCain.
#255. To: Pinguinite (#254)
Damn. I guess it's time to eat my hat!
#256. To: TwentyTwelve (#250)
You are not the only one.
#257. To: Peppa (#249)
That must mean he endorsed McCain.
#258. To: Pinguinite (#77)
Wrong.
#259. To: Pinguinite (#87)
Given the current availability of post-teen virgins, is it really worth wasting your time re-transforming a diseased whore?
- RP will NOT win one single state
- RP's seeking to be nominated by the party of war, mass killing and other evils is as ridiculous as him seeking the nomination of the Nazi party
- The theory/scheme that RP's supporters were going to hijack the GOP primaries and caucuses because they were 'more motivated' was BS and was not going to work
#260. To: IndieTX (#183)
To hell with the city's "match" when I'm 65
#261. To: Pinguinite, students of Edgar Cayce, all (#252)
(Edited)
You're the one telling everybody what Ron's real motives are, Mr. Spock.
#262. To: Jethro Tull (#261)
#263. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#0)
#264. To: Cynicom (#257)
(Edited)
Pep.... Most everyone can read.
#265. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#262)
#266. To: Peppa (#207)
This argument is not about RP the "republican", its about murdering off hope.
#267. To: Peppa (#264)
The Republican party has been hijacked, so what does that make him now?
#268. To: Peppa (#264)
With the rampant vote fraud, there is no chance of anyone, or any new party achieving anything for anyone but false hope.
#269. To: Jethro Tull (#267)
Ah....a Republican House member who reached his political zenith 20 years ago.
#270. To: Cynicom (#257)
Whatever you do, dont let Pauls own words confuse you.
#271. To: angle (#268)
So now what?
#272. To: Peppa (#269)
How does that explain the tremendous youth support of Ron Paul?
#273. To: Peppa (#269)
#274. To: Jethro Tull (#273)
I identify as an American First national.
#275. To: angle (#272)
He represented the message of hope and change.
#276. To: angle (#274)
#277. To: Jethro Tull (#273)
You just said the word conservative has been hijacked, I agree so lets agree to dump it in the crapper.
#278. To: Peppa (#264)
Here are the facts. You have called yourself a conservative, not a Republican.
#279. To: Jethro Tull (#261)
RPs motives are to remain a Republican and to keep his House seat safe. Again, those are his words. Tell me something, given that he is 72 years old, and has been in congress for more that 20 years, how do you students of Edgar Cayce explain his failure to groom a younger man/woman to replace him? After all even an heroic figure such as he is isn't immortal. Wouldn't a House legacy be something a 'revolutionary' would want?
#280. To: Peppa (#277)
#281. To: peppa (#280)
ronpaulvotecount.com
#282. To: Cynicom (#279)
#283. To: Cynicom (#278)
#284. To: angle (#280)
I think a few of us in this place have common enough ground to be involved in a like cause. Perhaps some personal contact information and meeting at some point would give a spark to something. Or at the very least could hook up people who might need like minded support in the days ahead. Spooks need to be filtered out somehow.
#285. To: Peppa (#283)
That's your battle, not mine.
#286. To: angle (#282)
Do you really think the broken and corrupted government can be fixed?
#287. To: Cynicom (#279)
#288. To: Cynicom (#286)
#289. To: aristeides (#288)
I have questioned your claim about the Confederate Constitution instituting term limits before, and you did not give me a satisfactory answer.
#290. To: Jethro Tull (#287)
#291. To: Cynicom (#289)
#292. To: aristeides (#291)
I just looked at the document, and see no such provision.
#293. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#259)
#294. To: christine (#293)
#295. To: Cynicom (#292)
#296. To: Cynicom (#294)
You talking to me?
#297. To: aristeides (#295)
#298. To: aristeides (#295)
#299. To: Cynicom (#298)
#300. To: aristeides (#299)
I notice you don't point out any mistake in my #288.
#301. To: angle (#281)
ronpaulvotecount.com Washington State results...30 second clip...very informative.
#302. To: Peppa (#301)
BTW, have we gotten to naming Ron Paul the Anti-Christ yet?
#303. To: Cynicom (#285)
#304. To: Cynicom (#256)
Giving is a two way street, giving in blind faith is not for me.
#305. To: Peppa (#303)
I think you need to work on your reading skills Cyni.
#306. To: rowdee (#304)
Did you make that clear to the Paul campaign, Cyni--that you want an accounting or that you want him to play the game your way, Did you make that clear to the Paul campaign, Cyni--that you want an accounting or that you want him to play the game your way,
#307. To: Peppa (#303)
#308. To: Cynicom (#306)
#309. To: Cynicom (#307)
#310. To: rowdee (#308)
Life is toooooooooo short for that! :)
#311. To: angle (#309)
At the center of the onion is the shoot of the new onion plant.
#312. To: Cynicom (#310)
76 in a few days
#313. To: a vast rightwing conspirator, angle (#0)
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#314. To: Artisan (#313)
#315. To: Artisan (#313)
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