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Title: Ron Paul's Goodbye (Jeff Rense)
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URL Source: http://www.rense.com/general80/goodbye.htm
Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2008-02-10 17:10:32 by robin
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Ron Paul's Goodbye
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#74. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#67)
I am sure that Dr. Paul himself is very sincere and in no way a part of any conspiracy.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! I would never call Dr. Paul a turncoat. Why do you say that? He is the true conservative. Running 3rd party would have been a good choice for him to make, and would have helped defeat McCain.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! Just plain mean. Well I do have a return ticket in a few weeks. O But I do have to stop over in the Fiji islands for a week tho. Tough job, man, somebodys got to do it.
"Satan / Cheney in "08" I was stupid for asking such a question. These are Pauls words. " But I am a Republican, and I will remain a Republican." McCain is a republican and I consider it perfectly unstupid and unsilly to ask a simple question. You took our money, do you endorse McCain.
Of course he is sincere. Getting out of the GOP charade is something that he should have done a long time ago.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Pep... There you go again.
Very disappointing, that he will not be running as a 3rd party candidate. He has plenty of money to run and continue to get the true conservative message out in this way.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! You could be decent and post on some other site? They say envy is wrong, so I is a wronger.
All of a sudden Paul has gotten political religion. He has seen the light, no more straying. He did add though, "send money".
So we are on the non-party train with Obama now. Hey, brilliant analysis and prediction! Voting is only consequential on the margins but, yes. To the extent that McCain is on the GOP ticket, I will joyfully go out and vote for Obama and bring my wife with me and talk as many of my neighbors as I can reach to come and try to help us avoid the McCain plague. This is coming from a former proud GOP member and Reagan supporter who was fooled once and actually voted for Bush the poppy.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
The alternatives are to stick your head in the sand or vote for 100 years of war McCain. Had RP run as a 3rd party candidate, we could have voted for him. No wonder McCain called RP the spoiler.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! I agree that's not consistent, but can we cut the guy some slack? He is/was running for both congress and president and mistakes are made. If you make a mistake dealing with a customer, does that make you a con man? Who is? Ron Paul? Maybe that's why he gives some of his salary back to the treasury then, and never voted for a pay raise. Oh wait, if he didn't do that, then that would be proof he's as bad as the rest. So no matter what, Ron Paul is a wealthy, bought and paid for member of the global conspiracy. I understand now.
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I don't know how much control RP has over his own delegates but, I hope, he will instruct them to do something visible at the GOP convention - like carry some very graphic and very big anti-war signs and keep them up when the network cameras are looking. As for him asking for money... I don't live in his district and my idea of political reform would be to restrict all contribution to only those that are to be represented - districts or states and, of course, to enforce one-term term limits. So maybe I will send him a few $$$ while it's still legal to do so.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
McCain would clearly be as bad or worse than Bush. I'd probably rate him worse than even Hillary on foreign entanglements, but Hillary has already gone on record for leaving military action against Iran on the table, ergo.... How bad is Obama on foreign policy? The least of 3 evils, perhaps.
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richard says Paul is filthy rich. Therefore I am going to ask Paul for my money back. I suspect the odds would be no???? After all I did send a lot of beer money.
There you go again. Right on cue Cyn.
This is coming from a former proud GOP member and Reagan supporter who was fooled once and actually voted for Bush the poppy. I hang on your every word Vast. Go forth and save the Republic.
yeah, me too. i thought perhaps he had awakened enough people, way more than Perot, that if ever there was a chance for a third party movement, this was it.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
For those (of us) who already knew otherwise, it did no such thing. For those who didn't, it similarly did no such thing as they are as ignorant now as the were before. Realistically, it IS all that's out there, however irrational that might be.
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Pep... In spite of your zingers, I do like you a little. And I bet you read the onion thingy about unity. If not, I am crushed.
I guess I let myself be taken in by my own enthusiasm, but I'm apparently not alone. As Pep says, we're waiting for the thunder.
Not stupid but totally irrational.
with everything you've said about the corrupt two party system, you'd now take part in it and lend legitimacy to it? good grief. i thought you and everyone else here KNEW it's a rigged system. the selection has already been made. IF NOT RON PAUL. NO ONE. ROCK THE NO VOTE ONCE AGAIN.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
Okay, but it's probably not possible to run as an independent for prez while running as a R for congress, so that may be why he made the R statement. If he can't run as an R for congress, then he is much more likely to lose the seat. I'd say there's a massive chance that that's his reasoning. Sure, but Ron's not a usual Republican, and certainly does engage in usual R practices!
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Oh, no, please do not go there. I have never said nor suggested such. Absolutely not!!! Why do you suppose I left America? As I have said numerous times, I know what is coming, and I want nothing to do with it.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
buck... Without enthusiasm you have nothing..
It's hard not to be enthusiastic. I bought into this whole idea that we were born free.
Good heavens. A two liner, am gonna save this for posterity. Pin it up on my wall.
Please permit me one small piece of disagreement; the Truth is not cynical. It is simply, the Truth.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
You and me both. It was my last political hurrah. And now this.
Wasting your breath Pinguinite. They will hear of no such argument. Realistically, it IS all that's out there, however irrational that might be. When it is seen that RP was taken down from the inside, it will be interesting to see if trust can be rebuilt for the candidate they want. More carnage to follow and 3rd party talk will die as well. Part two of maintaining the status quo charade.
Thanks for the crumb Cyni. And, you lose the bet. I really don't care about the onion. I'll try not to lose sleep about it.
Yes, the least damage, I believe. He actually is against universal health care, but looking for a way to reduce the costs so everyone can afford it. I don't see how he can do it, but more power to him. He is determined to get us out of Iraq and voted against the war to begin with. Here is Obama in 2002: I don't oppose all wars. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other armchair, weekend warriors in this administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne. What I am opposed to is the attempt by political hacks like Karl Rove to distract us from a rise in the uninsured, a rise in the poverty rate, a drop in the median income, to distract us from corporate scandals and a stock market that has just gone through the worst month since the Great Depression. That's what I'm opposed to. A dumb war. A rash war. A war based not on reason but on passion, not on principle but on politics. On Saddam Hussein Now let me be clear: I suffer no illusions about Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal man. A ruthless man. A man who butchers his own people to secure his own power.... The world, and the Iraqi people, would be better off without him. But I also know that Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors...and that in concert with the international community he can be contained until, in the way of all petty dictators, he falls away into the dustbin of history. I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a U.S. occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences. I know that an invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the Middle East, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of al-Qaeda. I am not opposed to all wars. I'm opposed to dumb wars. So for those of us who seek a more just and secure world for our children, let us send a clear message to the president.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! I can't argue with you on many of these issues because I don't know enough about it. And I don't mean to. I do believe some of these interpretations of history have powerful bearing on our problems today. It's no different form looking at the 3/5ths compromise, and stating that failure to resolve the issues it heralded led to the civil war. The problem is that we're not willing to give up on restoring our freedoms just because we know that the deck is stacked against them.
Everyone can still write-in Ron Paul. That's probably the best that can be done.
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Even if it means McCain will be elected in your state?
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! We are only 8 years into this century. Get ready...
Okay, I respect your denials, but it seems you have advocated freedom solutions that involve citing ancient court cases and such. Modern police don't care much for such thing when they are firing their tasers and other toys. Judges often don't care much for the rule of law either. It pretty much works like this: The rules are what the guys with the guns say they are, and they can say different things every day.
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We suffered the Clinton moral humiliation for eight long years, suffered the Bush rape of American liberty for eight years, will we survive another Clinton?
no
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! Hillary's upside is that she will wake America up FAR more than McCain.
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#75. To: Peppa (#73)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#76. To: Cynicom (#71)
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It is spiteful of you to post here since we know where you are.
#77. To: Pinguinite (#69)
I think it quite silly to suspect that he would endorse McCain,
#78. To: robin (#74)
#79. To: Peppa (#73)
Assuming he has turncoated many times before, this is to be expected.
#80. To: Cynicom (#77)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#81. To: tom007 (#76)
Tough job, man, somebodys got to do it.
#82. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#78)
Getting out of the GOP charade is something that he should have done a long time ago.
#83. To: Peppa (#70)
The Ron Paul revolution inside the GOP teapot ended up legitimizing the 2-party system and reinforcing the idea that the 2-party is 'all there is out there', 'rationally and realistically speaking'.
#84. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#83)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#85. To: Cynicom (#58)
I contact Pauls legislative office and they have a standard put off.."We do not answer emails from non constituents"...
Then I get an email from "Ron" and one from "Carol", please send money so I may save my seat in the house.
And richard says they are wealthy beyond our imagination. One of or both of you are wrong.
#86. To: Cynicom (#82)
#87. To: robin (#61)
Hillary will not commit to a timeline for withdrawing the troops and McCain has assured us all that he wants 100 years of wars; probably starting next with Iran.
#88. To: Pinguinite (#85)
#89. To: Cynicom (#79)
Pep...
#90. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#83)
Voting is only consequential on the margins but, yes. To the extent that McCain is on the GOP ticket, I will joyfully go out and vote for Obama and bring my wife with me and talk as many of my neighbors as I can reach to come and try to help us avoid the McCain plague.
#91. To: buckeye (#36)
I really wanted a third party run to give the American people a chance to write in his name. I wanted him to outdo Perot. I figured he had a chance outside the GOP machinery.
#92. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#67)
The Ron Paul revolution inside the GOP teapot ended up legitimizing the 2-party system
and reinforcing the idea that the 2-party is 'all there is out there', 'rationally and realistically speaking'.
#93. To: Peppa (#89)
#94. To: christine, Peppa, robin (#91)
hat if ever there was a chance for a third party movement, this was it.
#95. To: Pinguinite (#92)
however irrational that might be.
#96. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#83)
Voting is only consequential on the margins but, yes. To the extent that McCain is on the GOP ticket, I will joyfully go out and vote for Obama and bring my wife with me and talk as many of my neighbors as I can reach to come and try to help us avoid the McCain plague.
#97. To: robin (#72)
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He just made a big deal about remaining a Republican; no 3rd party race.
The usual party practice is to support the party's nominee.
#98. To: Pinguinite (#63)
but the idea that the PTB's can be easily persuaded to let you live in complete freedom just by arguing the right things to the right thugs doesn't quite work for me. Sorry.
#99. To: buckeye (#94)
I guess I let myself be taken in by my own enthusiasm, but I'm apparently not alone.
#100. To: Cynicom (#99)
Without enthusiasm you have nothing..
#101. To: christine (#96)
with everything you've said about the corrupt two party system, you'd now take part in it and lend legitimacy to it? good grief. i thought you and everyone else here KNEW it's a rigged system. the selection has already been made.
#102. To: buckeye (#57)
embedded nullification of the Constitution are very interesting, and yes, very cynical.
#103. To: buckeye (#100)
It's hard not to be enthusiastic. I bought into this whole idea that we were born free.
#104. To: Pinguinite (#92)
For those (of us) who already knew otherwise, it did no such thing. For those who didn't, it similarly did no such thing as they are as ignorant now as the were before.
#105. To: Cynicom (#93)
In spite of your zingers, I do like you a little. And I bet you read the onion thingy about unity. If not, I am crushed.
#106. To: Pinguinite (#87)
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I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#107. To: richard9151 (#102)
It is simply, the Truth.
#108. To: christine (#96)
IF NOT RON PAUL. NO ONE. ROCK THE NO VOTE ONCE AGAIN.
#109. To: Pinguinite (#108)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#110. To: Cynicom (#8)
If Paul did in fact write it, then he has pulled off the con job of the century in American politics.
#111. To: richard9151 (#98)
Oh, no, please do not go there. I have never said nor suggested such. Absolutely not!!!
#112. To: snoopdougg (#110)
We are only 8 years into this century. Get ready...
#113. To: Cynicom (#112)
will we survive another Clinton?
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#114. To: Cynicom (#112)
will we survive another Clinton?
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