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Title: Ron Paul's Goodbye (Jeff Rense)
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Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Jeff Rense
Post Date: 2008-02-10 17:10:32 by robin
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Ron Paul's Goodbye
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#417. To: Peppa (#409)
That might be a little strong, Pepp. I do believe Cyni is voicing things as he sees it. And, then again, you're entitled to think as you do. I just hope things don't get carried away......frustrations and stress often make people go beyond civility. And while apologies can be made and accepted, once a word is spoken or written, its out there for eternity. Seems there's always a downside to something....many a time I thought I was right and said so, oftentimes in unflattering terms, and while sincerely apologizing, it's still out there and can be brought to mind in an instant.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
I believe I know someone who just *might* need to go in for a thorough vision exam. ;^)
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The whole world knows that you are upset with Ron Paul. Why don't you use your energy to expose Hillary, Obama, and McCain?
I don't hold RP's unwillingness to run Third Party (a lost cause - if you think he was invisible before, wait until he tries to run Libertarian or Constitution Party again) against him. What I find very strange is that he won't commit his energy, his supporters, and his substantial campaign contributions to keeping up the fight against a McCain victory. It's obvious that he won't win, but if his goal was to be a "message candidate," what better time to get the message out when the likely GOP nominee is the worst that they've ever had? Why won't he come out and say that he will refuse to endorse McCain's candidacy for President?
Let's just let it be a surprise? McHillobama should be a good lesson in 'how to grovel before the man' for all of us. /s
I am a Republican. I love the Republican Party. I've always been a Republican. My parents were Republicans. It's good to be a Republican.
I really hope that's not the long and short of it, but it's beginning to look like that. It's starting to remind me of Pat Buchanan - who started out fighting the good fight, but then gave a glowing endorsement of Bush in 2004 with some idiocy about "coming back home" to the GOP.
I also gave money to his campaign ($25), but have no reason to give any more. While I would have liked to see better use of the money donated, consider this: Much of his legitimacy (little that he had given the inherent bias) from the mainstream media came from the fact of his phenomenal grassroots fund raising. It's the only legitimacy that the gatekeepers recognized. His invitations to the various "debates" would have been much fewer had he only raised 1 or 2 million dollars. What our donations paid for was a foot in the door. I hope that the remaining funds are put to good use somehow. The problem that I see now is that people are ignoring the message that he'd been spreading during his candidacy. The issues he raised are absolutely correct whatever you think of him as a man and the decisions he made. The Ron Paul R3volution is not and should never have been about the man. Listening to him during the campaign, I learned about stuff I thought I already understood. One can only hope that enough people "got it" that these facts can be passed on to our posterity, or even if it is a foreign nation/culture that picks up the banner of liberty. It reminds me of (and in a way the problem is somewhat related) of America's ubiquitous Jesus worshippers who completely ignore Christ's message of how to get along with the rest of the world. They care nothing of the message, only whether or not they are "saved".
I remember all too well. I parted ways with the GOP now.
Jesus didn't quit on the way to the cross.
True, it should be about the message, not the messenger. That doesn't mean that the messenger should just give up the fight, especially not with somebody like McCain as the likely GOP nominee.
You illustrate my point. You are focusing on the personality, not the teaching.
NO, I'm not. Right now, I'm not focusing on anything. I have that right today.
You're right. The real reason for RP's failure is not his mediocre campaign style or even his lack of media coverage. The real reason he failed is that there are millions of people in this country who think that John McCain and Hillary Clinton are good candidates who deserve their support. If they were really unhappy with establishment candidates, voters would actively look for alternatives through alternative media, CNN and Fox be damned.
They have voted for more war and war they shall have.
I did learn how important the Republican Party is. I did learn that a House seat for 11 terms is more important than running a National Campaign through to the McHillobama (s)election in November. Paul might even get an opportunity to formally vote on the North American Community Charter if he stays around long enough.
I don't claim to fully understand his motives, and maybe he was pressured in some unspoken way (re. Trotsky comment)like Perot allegedly was. But it's just speculation at this point. Maybe he can explain it in his memoirs, I hope. I don't think running 3rd party would have helped at this point. What might be nice is if someone else running on Ron Paul's policies as a 3rd party received all the unused campaign money it would help. If it's Obama vs McHitler, I will strongly be inclined to vote Obama if only to prevent complete disaster -- but NOT if Obama is running on a ticket with Hillary (either as prez or vp). Then I would vote 3rd party (again) or not at all. At least Ron Paul's exit this early gives everyone some extra time to consider what happens next.
That's how I'm leaning too. Obama will be terrible for this country - increased welfare, affirmative action, open borders, gun grabbing, and misguided "peacekeeping" missions around the world. It will be like having a younger, darker Jimmy Carter in the WH. But I'll take Jimmy Carter over General Jack T. Ripper (Sterling Hayden's "purity of essence" character in DOCTOR STRANGELOVE) any day. More welfare is a lesser evil than nuclear war. With Hillary though, all bets are off.
I just hope things don't get carried away......frustrations and stress often make people go beyond civility. And while apologies can be made and accepted, once a word is spoken or written, its out there for eternity. Seems there's always a downside to something....many a time I thought I was right and said so, oftentimes in unflattering terms, and while sincerely apologizing, it's still out there and can be brought to mind in an instant. Not strong enough. For Sale: 1 Unity Onion.
you make some good points. still, i agree with Alex Jones who said awhile ago, if he were Ron Paul, he would throw caution to the wind.
The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly
2012 That is an oblique insult. And I resent it.
*Note to self: DO NOT LAUGH! I REPEAT, DO NOT LAUGH"!! "Additional Note to self: And wipe that silly grin off your face!!!"
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
What can I say, other than, "Thank goodness, Ron Paul is the voice of reason and not some hothead, as Alex has been called at times." :) Alex is behind a mic, no election or campaigning, no duty/responsibility to constituents. He can say what he wishes. OTOH, a candidate for office has to tread a thin line. They're under scrutiny all the time by opposition. A fart turns into a hurricane when reported in msm. A burp turns to vomit. Surely, you'll get a handful of votes or applause from those who saw or heard ya.......but when the line of vision or the cord to the mic is pulled by someone, how do you propose to get your hardhitting, calling a spade a spade message across? Smoke signals? That's about all you'll be seen..... All these smart, sharp reports sound great til the rubber meets the road. Same for smacking someone across the chops for treating you like a moron.......forever the image of Howard Dean doing his savage gutteral scream is implanted in the minds of the american sheeple. Its always mentioned.........is that what we want for the guy that is trying to convince americans that foreign policy should be different, or that our monetary policy is killing us, or that the Constitution matters? Some loony bin spouting off about money, foreign policy, economics, Constitution when he should be in some asylum taking meds? Or how about him smacking someones chops and getting tossed in the hoosegow for assault and battery--even if he was let go within 6 hours--there's your jailbird stigma! I'm sure glad I picked a winner, if he never officially wins. He's a man of highest integrity, honesty, principled, a family man, a lover of the Constitution, and a gentle man as well as gentleman. Can all those things be said of the other candidates in the hunt?
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
"Additional Note to self: And wipe that silly grin off your face!!!" LOL! Wanna buy and unyum?
if you're referring to the person who claimed to be charoltte iserbyte, she is fully credible. if she claims to have gotten that message its true. the only question is, is the person who posted it really iserbyte. (not that any of it makes much diff anyway '-0
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Thanks, Peppa. YW GDT. Not a pleasant situation.
Who are you voting for in Nov? If those are the only choices then I won't vote. In fact, I'm probably done voting.....forever
"'Schools is educationy' ; A message from our president."
Then, we'd be sitting here discussing that our candidate has no tact, that he was too stupid to realize he was being set up and that he bought it.......or a gazillion other things. No doubt 9/11 and truthin would have gotten in the mix somehow. I simply don't understand all this 'eating of our own' by people. Surely we're all grown up enough and savvy enough to realize msm wouldn't give him the time of day---but they weren't very good to folks like Tancredo, Hunter, Gilchrist, or Brownback, either. They were extremely effective during the debate periods of keeping the 'ball' out of his hands. And did you notice at the last one, they tried to keep the 'ball' away from Huckleberry, too? Surely we're all grown up enough and savvy enough to know that if he took off on a tangent about gubmint sponsored or endorsed actions resulting in 9/11 that he would definitely been described as a fringe idiot, or worse, and would never be given the chance to explain, or explain adequately his reasoning. I, for one, have never felt you had to 'read between the lines' to get a read of where Ron Paul stands or is coming from. Everytime I've heard him, he seems to know what he is saying and says it plainly. And yet he's challenged on that---look at how many "I thoughts' have been on these several threads. Not what "Ron thought or said", but "I thought". Has everyone lapsed back into bushbot mode? Some won't believe in Ron Paul now unless he shows them the nail holes in his hands and feet.
"'Schools is educationy' ; A message from our president."
Well said. What else can we do when fighting for the very life of our country?
Join the Ron Paul Revolution Just another inside job. I looked around yesterday, and saw a version of the 'dancing students'.
Figure out who to trust.
IF NOT RON PAUL. NO ONE. ROCK THE NO VOTE ONCE AGAIN. Ya damn skippy! There certainly isn't anything worth voting for other than Ron, not unless Chuck Baldwin might run on the CP ticket. I would proudly vote for Chuck. Otherwise I haven't seen or heard of anyone I thought would be any good. I have been a longtime supporter of Ron's and I had hoped he was "in it to win it" as they say but this latest announcement doesn't look good.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. As well he should. His precious House seat is 95% safe - as in incumbency is the ultimate job insurance for politicians - and he absconded with untold millions of dollars in "money bombs." Toss his aging semi revolutionary carcass into the Republican Party bone yard with those of all the other political saviours who have come and gone in our lifetime.
The alleged "choice" between McLame, Hitlery and Obammer is much akin to choosing between deciding whether to commit suicide by hanging yourself or ingesting rat poison. Neither is much of a way to go and those "choices" are not my idea of anyone I could ever vote for. I would rather stay home and not waste gas.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. What you say is gospel, dawgie.........and how very, very sad. And all along he's tried to say its the message, its the message, and that he might not be the right messenger....but since he didn't walk on water, or at least turn it to wine, he's a phony, a fake, a money-hungry fanatic, a sleeze bag with no conscience or principles, no better than the rest, and if you read between the lines, you'll find that he's in bed with the man who represents all that Ron Paul despises! And I'll betcha someone will arrive at the 'fact' that he is a jew or some such......at least anything but white! Hard to believe that everyone was duped--well, ceptin me and a handful of others.........I mean, the masses were really taken for a ride by this tinhorn texan.
God wants spiritual fruits, not religious nuts!
That's f-ing stupid statement/question. Therein, you ASSUME AND AVER that I, wbales, are among those "some" which here seem to believe that Ron Paul took a dive. There is NOTHING in my posts serving as a factual basis for your query. That being said, I support the Political Revolution which far exceeds the man, Ron Paul. I shall, however, support him and anyone associated therewith, even tangentially.
They are very of afraid of Ron Paul. Good.
IF NOT RON PAUL. NO ONE. ROCK THE NO VOTE ONCE AGAIN. I understand and I respect your disappointment. My views on the corrupt 2-party system have not changed a bit. If I vote for Obama in November, and it's very likely that I will if McCain would become the US president unless someone defeats him, I would not do it with pleasure. There are many things I don't care about in Obama's views. However, there are some positives that I would like to point: - He is not taking PAC money. Unless he lies, this is very positive. My hope is that, once president, he would pressure the congress to end the PAC and the lobbying. - He appears to be intelligent and he does not seem to be evil. Bill Clinton's evil nature was apparent to me from the second I saw/heard him and so was Bush's near-infinite dark stupidity but, in the case of Obama I can't see much evil. - He is more white than black, and this is probably his darkest and deepest secret. It's possible that not even his wife are aware of it. - His partial black nature should help the white-black reconciliation a lot more than Clinton demagoguery. - While clearly leaning toward socialism and collectivism, his mind does not appear to be completely closed. - He does not seem to be seeking power for the sake of possessing it and exercising it. - As someone who taught 'Constitution' he may be showing more respect for that document than a Clinton or a Bush. - He is neither Clinton and he is not Bush. - As one who doesn't care for PAC financing, he might be less vulnerable to AIPAC's attempts at control. He is more a populist than he is a Demo. I doubt that the Demo establishment wishes to have Obama in the WH. I understand why not everyone would want to vote for Obama and I will not try to persuade anyone to do so. I know that my own kids would have a hard time voting for him if they were of voting age - Obama says keep the kids away from the Teevee unless you want them to grow up dumb so, when I asked them to choose between the 'no Teevee' Obama and the McCain alternative who would send them to fight some stupid wars, they both demanded for a third alternative. To conclude, if I end up pulling the lever (so to speak) for Obama, I will do it not only for reasons of he being the lesser evil but also because I do see some qualities in him.
Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'
Nonsense. Excuse my cynicism, but Obama wouldn't be where he is today but for the blessing of Tel Aviv. They are ALL under thier thumb.
They are very of afraid of Ron Paul. Good.
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#418. To: wudidiz (#383)
You gotta admit, she looks pretty hot in polka-dots.
Lord Acton
#419. To: Cynicom (#414)
I supported, I gave a great deal of money and to me that entitles me to withdraw and make my views known.
#420. To: Cynicom, LACUMO (#414)
#421. To: TwentyTwelve (#419)
Why don't you use your energy to expose Hillary, Obama, and McCain?
#422. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#420)
#423. To: _______ (#422)
#424. To: robin, Pinguinite, christine, all (#0)
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#425. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#423)
#426. To: PnbC (#424)
#427. To: PnbC (#424)
The Ron Paul R3volution is not and should never have been about the man. Listening to him during the campaign, I learned about stuff I thought I already understood. One can only hope that enough people "got it" that these facts can be passed on to our posterity, or even if it is a foreign nation/culture that picks up the banner of liberty
#428. To: _______ (#426)
Jesus didn't quit on the way to the cross.
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#429. To: PnbC (#428)
#430. To: PnbC (#428)
#431. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#430)
The real reason he failed is that there are millions of people in this country who think that John McCain and Hillary Clinton are good candidates who deserve their support
#432. To: All (#429)
#433. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#427)
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#434. To: PnbC (#433)
(Edited)
If it's Obama vs McHitler, I will strongly be inclined to vote Obama if only to prevent complete disaster -- but NOT if Obama is running on a ticket with Hillary (either as prez or vp). Then I would vote 3rd party (again) or not at all.
#435. To: rowdee (#417)
That might be a little strong, Pepp. I do believe Cyni is voicing things as he sees it. And, then again, you're entitled to think as you do.
#436. To: PnbC, rowdee (#424)
#437. To: TwentyTwelve (#419)
2012
#438. To: rowdee (#435)
#439. To: christine (#436)
#440. To: rowdee (#438)
*Note to self: DO NOT LAUGH! I REPEAT, DO NOT LAUGH"!!
#441. To: robin (#4)
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#442. To: Peppa (#407)
#443. To: rowdee (#439)
#444. To: ghostdogtxn (#442)
Exactly.
#445. To: robin (#394)
....Obama to Hillary and McCain.
#446. To: rowdee (#410)
And he could have taken the low road, Cyni, and been laughed off the stage......as being 'thin skinned', a 'whiner', or any other number of charming nicknames the msm would have blasted him with.
#447. To: ghostdogtxn. RP friends and supporters (#443)
And I still back him, and I'll still send him money. I'm no sunshine patriot.
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#448. To: HOUNDDAWG (#446)
Some won't believe in Ron Paul now unless he shows them the nail holes in his hands and feet.
#449. To: lodwick (#447)
What else can we do when fighting for the very life of our country?
#450. To: christine (#96)
with everything you've said about the corrupt two party system, you'd now take part in it and lend legitimacy to it? good grief. i thought you and everyone else here KNEW it's a rigged system. the selection has already been made.
Lord Acton
#451. To: Cynicom (#252)
Makes me sick.
#452. To: robin (#128)
OK, do you prefer McCain or Hillary? Those are your only other real alternatives at this point.
Lord Acton
#453. To: HOUNDDAWG (#446)
Some won't believe in Ron Paul now unless he shows them the nail holes in his hands and feet.
#454. To: Peppa (#407)
If the man took a dive which some here seem to believe, uhh, why would you support him ever again?
#455. To: christine (#96)
with everything you've said about the corrupt two party system, you'd now take part in it and lend legitimacy to it? good grief. i thought you and everyone else here KNEW it's a rigged system. the selection has already been made.
#456. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#455)
he might be less vulnerable to AIPAC's attempts at control.
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