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Title: Mayor kicks Marines out of Toledo (1-24th Marines were scheduled for weekend urban warfare training in downtown Toledo, when Carty gave them the boot)
Source: WNWO NBC 24 Toledo
URL Source: http://www.nbc24.com/news/news_story.aspx?id=94192
Published: Feb 9, 2008
Author: Darsha Philips
Post Date: 2008-02-10 23:20:39 by _______
Keywords: Paging, Claire, Wolfe
Views: 105
Comments: 7

TOLEDO, OH -- Mayor Carty Finkbeiner on Friday ordered some 200 members of Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th Marines from Grand Rapids, Michigan, out of Toledo just before the unit was supposed to start a weekend of urban warfare training downtown.

The mayor’s spokesperson, Brian Schwartz said, “The mayor asked them to leave because they frighten people. He did not want them practicing and drilling in a highly visible area."

Toledo police said they knew about the training and had approved the unit’s use of the Madison Building and the Promenade Park area. The training was scheduled to start Friday afternoon and last until Sunday. Police said the unit’s presence would have a minimal impact on the city. Police issued a press release earlier in the week saying the Marines would be wearing green camouflage uniforms, operate military vehicles, carry rifles, perform foot patrols, and fire blank ammunition during the exercise.

Schwartz said there was a breakdown in communication between police and the Finkbeiner administration that led to the mayor’s action.

“The Marines drilled here three times during the Ford administration and once under the Finkbeiner administration. After the last visit, the mayor told then police Chief Jack Smith, that he did not want the marines back. Smith failed to inform the current police administration of the mayor’s feelings,” Schwartz said.

NBC24 spoke to Jack Smith who recalled that after the Marines last visit, he and the mayor had a heated exchange about the training.

“He told me he did not want them, as he put it, 'playing war in Toledo,'" Smith recalled. "I told him, as a former Marine, that if one young Marine’s life is saved because of training he or she received in Toledo, Ohio, then it was worth the inconvenience.”

Smith said if the mayor objected, then he should have been the one to convey those feelings to police. Smith took his run-in with the mayor as an objection to that last visit and not future training in Toledo. As a result, the Toledo police went ahead, granting approval to the 1-24th Marines to conduct the routine exercise. The police notified members of the Finkbeiner administration who were not aware that the mayor objected to units training in Toledo.

When the mayor found out, he sent a member of his staff to tell Marines they could not conduct urban operations in Toledo. The unit was notified about 3:30 p.m. after an advance team arrived in Toledo. Five buses carrying some 200 Marines traveled four hours from Grand Rapids, only to find out the training had been shot down.

The unit briefly stopped at a 1-24th Marine base in Perrysburg Township, then returned to Grand Rapids where training was expected to be held this weekend. A spokesperson for the Marines said they were disappointed by the mayor’s decision especially after the city had been so helpful in the past.

Finkbeiner held a news conference Saturday night to address the growing controversy. Finkbeiner says bad planning and communication breakdowns led to his decision to bar a Marine Corps unit from training in downtown Toledo. Finkbeiner spent much of the twenty minute news conference explaining what he didn't know, and when he didn't know it.

“I don't know when we were first asked,” he says, “were we asked Tuesday or Wednesday of this week?”


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#1. To: _______ (#0)

Good for the Mayor.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   1:05:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Original_Intent (#1)

Can you imagine if they tried this urban assault sh*t in YOUR area?

I'd flipping flop!

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   1:10:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: _______ (#2)

Little Beirut (Duhbya's Poppy's name for Portland) would throw a hissy fit.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   1:14:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Original_Intent (#3)

He calls it "Little Beirut"? LOL

_______  posted on  2008-02-11   1:16:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: _______ (#4)

He calls it "Little Beirut"? LOL

Needless to say he's not too popular in these parts.

Suits me fine.

"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken

Original_Intent  posted on  2008-02-11   1:34:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: _______ (#0)

Well then, that explains the big push this week for Extreme Home Makeover

+++M A R I N E+++

Between Berkeley and Toledo, the paid operatives must be knee deep in assumed identities and emails.

angle  posted on  2008-02-11   8:34:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: _______ (#0)

And the obligatory paid operatives and numbskulled umercun peepl protesting:

www.toledoblade.com/apps/...20080211/NEWS16/8021 10347

I think the Blade needs a bit of a reality check from the majority of the people who don't want war.

angle  posted on  2008-02-11   20:46:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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