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Title: WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE CLUELESS CHRISTIANS?
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URL Source: http://www.newswithviews.com/baldwin/baldwin427.htm
Published: Feb 11, 2008
Author: Chuck Baldwin
Post Date: 2008-02-11 20:24:25 by snoopdougg
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Views: 435
Comments: 16
"For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect." Mark 13:22 (KJV) "And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." II Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV) What's with all these clueless Christians? How is it that people who have the benefit of the indwelling Holy Spirit, and the warning and insight of the Sacred Scriptures--not to mention a rich Christian heritage here in America--can be so ignorant, blind, and naïve? Yes, the majority of evangelical Christians seem to be all of the above. The problem has passed being serious: it is catastrophic! How is it that we have drifted away from being an informed, active, knowledgeable, and dedicated group of highly motivated Christian patriots to a group of impotent and anemic sheep? Our Christian forebears must be turning over in their graves, because we are in the process of squandering the greatest human sacrifice--save that of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ--ever made: the sacrifice of America's Founding Fathers. The problem is manifold, of course. For the most part, our pastors have become glorified politicians and business executives. As attorneys are not schooled in the Constitution, today's ministers are not schooled in the Scriptures. They are motivational speakers, salesmen, and business managers. The Bible is only used as a side reference, if at all. It is not taught or preached literally. Pastors go through the Bible the way people go through a salad bar: gleaning a few sweet-tasting morsels and rejecting everything that appears the least bit distasteful. Then there is the "fit-in-with-the-brethren" mentality. The politicos in Washington, D.C., have nothing on many pastors' fellowship groups. Fitting in with the denomination seems to be a far greater priority than being an independent man of God. And, of course, let's not forget the importance of not "making waves" with the deacons, elders, or church trustees. In a word, today's pastors have been very effectively neutered. Another problem is the way our pastors and churches have become "success" driven. Churches used to focus on truth and discipleship. No more. The church-growth movement of the last three decades has produced a generation of Christians much more concerned about crowds, buildings, and activities than they are fidelity to truth. Church has become a numbers game where success is measured by attendance and offerings. There is yet another problem: today's churches are completely enamored with power. No, not the power of God. They are completely infatuated with the power of men. Rich men. Popular men. Influential men. Celebrities. Politicians. Millionaires. Sports stars, etc. Yet, listen to what God tells us about rich and powerful men. "Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?" James 2:6 (KJV) Historically, it has always been the super-wealthy, super-powerful elements of society that have brought tyranny and persecution to God's people. It is the political and business elite who have trampled people's freedoms and liberties, enslaved their children, and ravaged their lands and properties. Nothing has changed: the super-elite in the United States and Europe are continuing to do what they have always done. Both the Republican and Democrat parties are controlled by those who desire to create a globalistic society in which they will control the world's materials and peoples. Both George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush have contributed to the tyrannical goals and ambitions of the super-elite. So has Bill Clinton. If John McCain, Mike Huckabee, Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is elected, they will follow in the globalist footsteps of their predecessors. The Christian professions of our political leaders mean nothing. Absolutely nothing! Putting an "R" behind his or her name also means nothing. Neither does calling oneself a "conservative" mean anything. Our political leaders are mostly walking in lockstep with the evil designs of the super-wealthy. Ditto for the executives who control our major media. And our Christians and ministers seem to be absolutely clueless. James Dobson endorses Mike Huckabee, as does Jerry Falwell, Jr., while Gary Bauer endorses John McCain. Yet, the truth is, one is as bad as the other. In fact, Huckabee is posturing himself to be McCain's running mate after McCain wins the nomination. Does anyone really believe that Mike Huckabee would turn down an invitation from John McCain to be his running mate? Get serious! Mike Huckabee would support the liberal, Big-Government John McCain with all of the enthusiasm he could muster. Why? Because Huckabee, himself, is a Big-Government liberal who has joined ideological forces with the super-elite who run both parties. And no one within the Religious Right seems to get it. Say you are "pro-life" and "pro-family" and you are "in." Forget the Constitution. Forget national sovereignty and independence. Forget the principles of sound money. Forget the Bill of Rights. Forget "Just War" theory. Forget non-interventionism. Forget protecting American jobs and manufacturing. Forget putting America first. It's all about getting along with the establishment, having a seat at the table, and enjoying the perks of power. Christians are supposed to be different. We are supposed to think differently. We are clearly commanded to "be not conformed to this world." In addition, as Americans, our heritage and history is that of being "non-conformist." We loved liberty, freedom, and independence. We recognized no sovereign authority, save that of Jesus Christ. We believed in self-reliance and hard work. We didn't expect government handouts or charity. We believed in disciplining our children and did not expect that they would learn their values from government schools. We viewed human government with deep suspicion and demanded that it be held in check by powerful Bible preaching and by the constraints and restrictions of the U.S. Constitution. Remember, it was the political and business elite who killed the Old Testament prophets, persecuted the early church, and crucified the Lord Jesus Christ. It was the political and business elite who oppressed our Pilgrim forebears. It was the political and business elite who tried to stamp out liberty and independence from the American colonies. And it is those same political and business elite who are forcing globalism, socialism, and fascism upon the American people today. And our pastors and churches seem to be absolutely clueless. Furthermore, when someone appears from outside the elitist mainstream, someone such as Congressman Ron Paul, he is ostracized, ignored, and even lampooned by the very people who should embrace and support him most: evangelical Christians. The truth is, America is in the doo-doo we are in because of the cluelessness and cowardice of today's Christians. Or, has the elect been deceived? Have they succumbed to delusion? The result is the same either way.
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#1. To: snoopdougg (#0)
Excellent post. The problem is not really clueless Christians, it's phony Christians giving the real ones a bad name.
God is always good!
The 501(c)(3) "pastors" will tell their flocks to hand in their guns to the government if Hitlery or Obama win (probably McCain, too) and tell them to "do it for Jesus"....
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
So God is going to... um... tell lies? And He's supposed to be the "good guy"? Hoo boy... what chance do us mere mortals have?
#2. To: snoopdougg (#0)
#3. To: snoopdougg (#0)
"And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie." II Thessalonians 2:11 (KJV)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#4. To: snoopdougg (#0)
For 500(!) years they've tried to civilize Africa. In the face of receding resources, the new head of the sect whose services I attend has decided to recommit and increase missionary efforts. Some people are just f'ing hopeless.
WHAT'S WITH ALL THESE CLUELESS CHRISTIANS?
It was literally impossible for those with soft-cyber chips in their head to imagine evil of the Korozhet.
#5. To: snoopdougg (#0)
Christians are supposed to be different. We are supposed to think differently. We are clearly commanded to "be not conformed to this world." There's a message in there, Chuck. Jam 1:8 A double minded man [is] unstable in all his ways : Mat 23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. www.hisholychurch.net/sermon/fatherabba.html 2Cr 6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? www.gemworld.com/US-Symbol-DC.html 2Cr 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel? www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=70431 2Cr 6:16 And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in [them]; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people. www.blueletterbible.org/tsk_b/2Cr/6/16.html 2Cr 6:17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you, 2Cr 6:18 And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty. Our Christian forebears must be turning over in their graves, because we are in the process of squandering the greatest human sacrifice--save that of the sacrifice of Jesus Christ--ever made: the sacrifice of America's Founding Fathers........
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
#6. To: snoopdougg, Red Jones (#0)
Chuck Baldwin is always a good read.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#7. To: snoopdougg (#0)
Discerment, for whatever reason, has fallen on very hard times. Christians honestly believe that that the 'Rs' are on their side and are a firewall agaist the evil 'Ds', and that radical Islam is somehow in a positon to destroy Western civilization, despite our capability to blow all such to freaking kingdom come. At the risk of trivializing this, this comes down to a macabre sports mentality: go Team!!! If Christians (by the Holy Spirit) could be led to independent thought, this could change. As it is, they have sold out to that which will enslave them. Consider Gary Bauer's endorsement of McCanus.
The problem has passed being serious: it is catastrophic!
#8. To: snoopdougg (#0)
Excellent article. I just got this in my email a few minutes ago and was going to post it but was alerted it had already been posted.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#9. To: Old Fud (#7)
Great post Old Fud. Burkeman just about tickles me to death telling the folks on LP about how the evil horde of Moslems are gonna get 'em and they better stay hid under their beds and stuff. It is hilarious when people are afraid of something that has about as much chance of happening as being directly impacted by a meteor and can't see that the real danger is their own government.
Discerment, for whatever reason, has fallen on very hard times. Christians honestly believe that that the 'Rs' are on their side and are a firewall agaist the evil 'Ds', and that radical Islam is somehow in a positon to destroy Western civilization, despite our capability to blow all such to freaking kingdom come.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#10. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
Thanks, man. Yeah, Burkeman skillfully bats the absurdities of modern fear (and mendactiy) out of the park. I don't have his thinking or typing skills (hunt and peck on both counts). But as a Christian, I'm sickened by what passes for the cause/threat/vision du jour. This country will sink of its own weight (as I 'speak'), before all of these gooberment generated boogermen do us a nickel's worth of harm.
Great post Old Fud. Burkeman just about tickles me to death telling the folks on LP about how the evil horde of Moslems are gonna get 'em and they better stay hid under their beds and stuff. It is hilarious when people are afraid of something that has about as much chance of happening as being directly impacted by a meteor and can't see that the real danger is their own government.
#11. To: Old Fud (#10)
The things they want us to fear are distractions. The folks who run things are like magicians in some big carnival, get the rubes focused on one hand and do the trick with the other one.
But as a Christian, I'm sickened by what passes for the cause/threat/vision du jour. This country will sink of its own weight (as I 'speak'), before all of these gooberment generated boogermen do us a nickel's worth of harm.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#12. To: Elliott Jackalope (#3)
The "strong delusion" is the mesmerizing of "christians in name only" who will buy into worldly pronouncements with the self rationalization that it is Holy. For want of a better way to describe it, the Lord will allow you access to enough rope to hang yourself. It appears that the surest way to be ensnared by the "strong delusion" is to buy into the majority of current day church's punch-and-cookie mentality, where the desire to fill pews and generate revenue waters down the word of Christ and directs it toward being a social function... The most powerfull way to avert being ensnared by the delusion is to concentrate on the word of God as put forth in the bible and to congregate with like minded fellows outside of "Church, Inc."
Government blows and that which governs least blows least...
#13. To: Axenolith (#12)
The Bible is what zionists want it to be.
#14. To: Tauzero (#4)
Maybe it's the product they're working with.
For 500(!) years they've tried to civilize Africa.
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)
"The Bell Curve, published in 1994, was written by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray as a work designed to explain, using empirical statistical analysis, the variations in intelligence in American Society, raise some warnings regarding the consequences of this intelligence gap, and propose national social policy with the goal of mitigating the worst of the consequences attributed to this intelligence gap. Many of the assertions put forth and conclusions reached by the authors are very controversial, ranging from the relationships between low measured intelligence and anti-social behavior, to the observed relationship between low African-American test scores (compared to whites and Asians) and genetic factors in intelligence abilities."
#16. To: snoopdougg (#0) (Edited)
Obama resoundingly defeated Hitlery with majorities from ALL religious groups in yesterday's Chesapeake primaries. Christians are not the problem. Obstinate die-hard Republican voters are quite another thing.
The truth is, America is in the doo-doo we are in because of the cluelessness and cowardice of today's Christians.
Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?
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