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Title: Obama's main advisor--New World Order promotor Brezinski
Source: losangeles.craigslist
URL Source: http://losangeles.craigslist.org/wst/pol/569259248.html
Published: Feb 10, 2008
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Post Date: 2008-02-13 11:31:17 by Itisa1mosttoolate
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Obama's main advisor--New World Order promotor Brezinski

Date: 2008-02-10, 8:15AM PST

Are people bothering to dig slightly deeper into Obama's background and realize that Zbenew Brezinski is his main advisor?

The man practically created the Trilateral Commission, and works with the Council on Foreign Relations to erase our borders and create a " New World Order ". Just read articles in their journal Foreign Affairs, for confirmation. They are open about their ideals.

Globalism means combining with Mexico and Canada to create a giant economic zone called the North American Union. Hence, Obama's support of 20 million illegal aliens gaining citizenship.

The Dems keep funding Bush's Iraq war. THEY ARE HIS PARTNERS! Wake up. The only anti-war candidate is Ron Paul.

Obama was voted the most liberal Senator, to the left of Kennedy. Is this what people want? A big spender, and more big government???

Learn the truth about the New World Order. Go to jimmarrs.com, infowars.com, rense.com, newswithviews.com and start educating yourself. Subscribe to *Bilderberg and NWO Watch*

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#39. To: aristeides (#38)

Sooooooo......you're saying they stole NH on him, then stopped?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   14:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

I suspect stealing in NH was easier: Clinton supporters were in power in the state government; Republican operatives wanted to run against Clinton, not Obama; a very fishy outfit with criminal and Republican associations had the contract to monitor the voting computers in NH.

Repeating the crime elsewhere would have been more difficult, perhaps impossible.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-13   14:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: robin (#18)

And you think McCain and Hillary are not a part of this?

They are and McCain is promising us 100 years of wars.

Of course they are. We are left with nothing but NWO sock puppets as our "viable choices" for President of the United States.

I'll either be writing in Ron Paul, or my own name on the November ballot, failing any sort of miraculous rise of a popular third party candidate.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-13   14:58:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: Itisa1mosttoolate (#32)

She didn't get her father's good looks.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-02-13   15:45:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: aristeides (#3)

Brzezinski opposed Bush's war in Iraq from the start.

Trying to reason with fringe nutters is fruitless.

They've got facts from nutter blogs, don'tcha know.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   18:56:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: _______ (#35)

Mika's kind of hot.

Don't be beguiled ... she's undoubtedly subversive.

Blog slop to follow.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   18:59:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: TwentyTwelve (#5)

Tarpley said that if Obama wins the election there will be a major war between Russia and the U.S. Tarpley said that Obama is a warmonger and is very dangerous.

Well, if Webster said it you can put it in the bank.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   19:18:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FormerLurker (#41)

Excellent post. I've been doing just that since the early 90's.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   19:27:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast (#43)

Zbenew Brezinski

This author can't even spell the guy's name.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-13   19:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: aristeides (#47)

What do you think of the fact that Brzezinski founded the Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-13   19:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: iconoclast (#43)

They've got facts from nutter blogs, don'tcha know.

Are you trying to say that Brzezinski was NOT a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-13   19:37:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: Kamala (#46)

Imagine if EVERYONE did the same as a massive form of protest on the scale of "V"?


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-13   19:39:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: FormerLurker (#50)

Imagine if EVERYONE did the same as a massive form of protest on the scale of "V"?

Can you imagine this?

It would be awesome.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   19:41:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: iconoclast, FormerLurker, _______, Original_Intent (#49)

Are you trying to say that Brzezinski was NOT a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?

www.4rie.com/rie%205.html

Trilateral Commission (TC)

In 1973, David Rockefeller asked Zbigniew Brzezinski to put together an organization of the top political, and business leaders from around the World. He called this group the Trilateral Commission (TC).

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   19:45:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: FormerLurker (#50)

I completely agree, but just look at some here at 4um.

After 3 years here, knowing all they know about the Fed/Gov and the two party hoax, they are still going to vote for the likes of Obama.

There are many here with a very high IQ, but can't find their way out of a closet. They just refuse to see the larger picture.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   19:46:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: iconoclast, FormerLurker, _______, Original_Intent (#49)

Are you trying to say that Brzezinski was NOT a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?

The Council on Foreign Relations And the Trilateral Commission

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   19:52:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: FormerLurker (#50)

Imagine if EVERYONE did the same as a massive form of protest on the scale of "V"?

great idea. i love it. that would send a better message than all of us sitting it out and not voting at all.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   19:53:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: iconoclast, FormerLurker, _______, Original_Intent, ALL (#49)

Are you trying to say that Brzezinski was NOT a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?

UNITED STATES POLICE STATE: BRZEZINSKI & THE ELITE

In The Grand Chessboard, Zbigniew Brzezinski Admits Elite Plan to Use the United States Police State to Bring About Their Totalitarian New World Order.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   19:53:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: iconoclast, FormerLurker, _______, Original_Intent, ALL (#49)

Are you trying to say that Brzezinski was NOT a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?

The Trilateral Commission

Upon reading the 1970 book Between Two Ages, David Rockefeller lured its writer, Professor Zbigniew Brzezinski, away from Columbia University to become the Chairman and co-founder of the Trilateral Commission. Brzezinski, who later became the mastermind of Jimmy Carter's foreign affairs and national security blunders, is still looked to as a policy guru by the liberal media today. Using the same socialist mindset, objectives and premise as the CFR, the TC sprang from, and was purposely patterned after, Brzezinski's book in 1973.

Along with Zbigniew Brzezinski and a few others, including the Brookings Institution, Council on Foreign Relations and the Ford Foundation, Rockefeller convened initial meetings and held their first executive committee meeting in Tokyo in October 1973. Members include corporate CEOs, politicians of all major parties, distinguished academics, university presidents, labor union leaders and not-for-profits involved in overseas philanthropy.

The Trilateral Commission was founded to become a type of international CFR. The goal of the Trilateral Commission is to align the free world with the advanced communist states to organize a world government.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   19:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: iconoclast, FormerLurker, _______, Original_Intent, ALL (#49)

Are you trying to say that Brzezinski was NOT a founding member of the Trilateral Commission?

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   20:00:31 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: christine (#55)

great idea. i love it. that would send a better message than all of us sitting it out and not voting at all.

The only problem with it would be if just a handful wrote in their own names, as then they'd possibly be targetted as "domestic terrorists" by the goons in power.

Only if at least a million people would do it might it be reasonably without consequence. If only several thousand did it, it might expose them to elevated risk in the future, but then again, when we're at that point, I suppose none of us are safe anyways.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-13   20:13:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: TwentyTwelve (#54)

It certainly IS interesting that the "saviour" of both uninformed AND informed people is being "advised" by one of the current architects of the New World Order.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-13   20:15:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Kamala (#53) (Edited)

There are many here with a very high IQ, but can't find their way out of a closet. They just refuse to see the larger picture.

Bottom line.

There has been more insane treason perpetrated on the American people in the eight years of the Bush Administration than in all of the 30 or 40 years of the eevil influence of Brzezinski.

You pick your bogeyman, I'll pick mine.

You rant around in your larger picture ... I'll take my pitiful little single vote and do the best I can with it.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   20:34:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: FormerLurker (#59)

oh, i was thinking you meant all of us writing in V. :P

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   20:38:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: christine, TwentyTwelve, Kamala (#62)

oh, i was thinking you meant all of us writing in V

Now THAT'S an idea. We should see how many people might be interested in a national campaign... :)

Imagine if "V" won the popular vote, now THAT would be something for the power elite to think about.


You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-13   20:47:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: TwentyTwelve (#57)

The Trilateral Commission was founded to become a type of international CFR. The goal of the Trilateral Commission is to align the free world with the advanced communist states to organize a world government.

The tri in Trilateral stood for America, Europe, and Japan.

I'm not carrying any water for the Trilateral Commission but is it any more ominous than the the tripartite Israel, China, and anti-Russian stance of McCain et al? Every administration has, in the immortal words of George Wallace, their "pointy-headed intellectuals who can't park their bicycles straight" wandering around the White House. That Zbig is one of Obama's is not gonna cost me a lot of sleep.

I'm just and old isolationist, Bob Taft, paleo-conservative making what I see as the sanest choice at this point in history. The rest of you geniuses go ahead and vote for yourselves.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:06:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: iconoclast (#61)

....I'll take my pitiful little single vote....

You got that right.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-14   5:47:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: _______ (#13)

McHillobama will win.

I support none of it.

To paraphrase just one more bad memory from the worst administration in American history ..... We go to the polls with the candidates we've got.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   8:53:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: robin (#17)

There are clear differences, you just choose not to see them.

Right now the REAL choices in REALITY are McCain, Hillary and Obama.

Make your choice or someone else will.

Ah, the essence of sweet reason and clarity.

You just said it all, dear robin.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   8:58:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: robin (#17)

Right now the REAL choices in REALITY are McCain, Hillary and Obama.

Make your choice or someone else will.

This kind of thinking is what got us here in the first palce.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   9:02:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: _______, aristeides, robin (#30)

Hitlery will be the next POTUS

God forbid, but if so it will be in no small part attributable to intransigent hard heads like you.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   9:06:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: Jethro Tull (#39)

Sooooooo......you're saying they stole NH on him, then stopped?

The fishing's always better in one part of the lake than another.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   9:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: christine (#55)

that would send a better message than all of us sitting it out and not voting at all.

I think the Plutocratic neocons are going to get one hell of a message in November. The only remaining question is do you want to live with a Clinton or McCain administration?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   9:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: Kamala (#65)

....I'll take my pitiful little single vote....

You got that right.

And, what are you? A vote early and often type? ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   9:30:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: FormerLurker (#48)

What do you think of the fact that Brzezinski founded the Trilateral Commission for David Rockefeller?

I don't like it, but Brzezinski's authorship of his recent book The Choice is much more current. I read it, and it seemed largely sensible to me. It certainly argues for peace in the Middle East, and opposes the Bush administration's insane bellicosity.

Have you noticed how the pro-Israel fanatics are trying to stir up opposition to Obama?

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-14   10:41:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: aristeides, FormerLurker (#73)

Brzezinski and Obama
Barack Obama has been criticized by pro-Israel forces (undoubtedly egged on by the Hillary team) for naming Zbignew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's National Security advisor, as one of his foreign policy gurus. Ezra Klein links to, and endorses, a post by one Matthew Duss, relying on a story from the Politico website, suggesting that the "Israel lobby," writ large, and Alan Dershowitz personally, are upset about Brzezinski because he wrote an essay last Summer defending Mearsheimer and Walt’s “Israel Lobby” essay.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-14   10:44:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: robin, aristeides, FormerLurker, Arator, all soon to be duped (#74)

Ah....a basic point here. The pieces at this level are all interchangeable. BRZEZINSKI seems quite comfortable in either party, working for Carter or Bush, because nothing changes but the seats on the Titanic.

BRZEZINSKI NAMED TO A TOP POSITION ON BUSH TASK FORCE EX-CARTER AIDE HAS TIES TO DUKAKIS CAMP

From: The Boston Globe

Date: September 13, 1988

Author: Diane Alters, Globe Staff

Zbigniew Brzezinski, the ex-national security adviser for former President Carter, yesterday was named one of the chairmen of a 13-member task force that will advise Republican presidential nominee George Bush on foreign policy and defense.

-Snip

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   11:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: robin (#74)

He has the beenie and their blessing.

Trust Obama on Israel

From:
Jerusalem Post
Date:
February 4, 2008
Author:
MARTIN PERETZ
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Jerusalem Post

02-04-2008

Headline: Trust Obama on Israel
Byline: MARTIN PERETZ
Edition; Daily
Section: Opinion
Page: 13

Monday, February 4, 2008 -- Florida, of course, was a different story, but back in Iowa there was no need for Barack Obama or any other candidate to worry about the Jewish vote. There are 7,000 Jews in the entire state, including 100 hassidim, who work a kosher meat-packing plant in Pottsville.

Yet speaking in Des Moines on December 18, Obama cut to the essence of the Middle East problem at a level of sophistication that ought to be a relief, if not a rebuke, to those who fret about his lack of foreign policy "experience." Obama raised three questions and answered them in a way that no other Democratic aspirant for the nomination has done.

First: Is Israel truly ready to make the concessions necessary to guarantee that a Palestinian state will be more than a "Potemkin village" - a facade without depth or substance?

"I'm confident," Obama said, "that Israel is ready and willing to make some of these concessions if they have the confidence that the Palestinians can enforce an agreement."

This is exactly right. And it is a sign that President Obama would not pressure only one side (Israel) because the other side (the Palestinians) are immune to American pressure.

On his way out the door in 2000, President Clinton actually had a map color- coding the Old City of Jerusalem: Israeli sovereignty on this street, Palestinian sovereignty on that, like the delirious maps drawn in London and Paris back in the early 20th century that burden the Middle East and Africa to this day. Clinton coerced Ehud Barak, then prime minister of Israel, to accept his map and make other concessions. He got nothing out of the Palestinians.

Yet even the most moderate Palestinians now assume that future discussions will start where Clinton left off. It is good to know that Obama understands why that won't work.

THE SECOND question is whether any agreement negotiated with Palestinian leaders can be enforced on the Palestinian people. Most Israelis are ready to make a deal and abide by it. There is no such disposition among Palestinians. Hamas, the party that won the most recent Palestinian elections and that already rules in Gaza, explicitly rejects any deal with Israel.

So what do you do?

Obama's answer, and the right one: You deal with the official Palestinian leadership, which is willing to deal, but you pressure it to take action on other fronts that will bring the people back from Hamas. We "have to make sure that Abbas and Fayad and those that are controlling the West Bank still actually start delivering something tangible that is benefiting the lives of Palestinians in the West Bank, that they are ridding [their party] Fatah of the corruption that has been endemic, and are put in a stronger position politically so Hamas is not dictating the terms of Palestinian negotiations but the moderates in the Palestinian camp are dictating what the Palestinian people are willing to go along with."

Third, is this an opportunity to watch democracy flower in the Middle East, as George W. Bush has dreamed? Well maybe, in 1,000 years or so. Meanwhile, Obama grasps that any accord will require strong leadership and even some "dictating" to the moderates. This is not callous. It is realistic. But only if the Palestinian leadership realizes that "now is the time for them to step out of the ideological blind alley that they've been in for so long."

The Israelis have stepped out of their own blind alley of small settlements and lonely outposts planted in densely populated Palestinian areas. Everyone knows how very much actual land Israel will give up so that Palestine can be Palestine. No one yet knows whether the Palestinians are ready to let Israel be Israel.

OBAMA'S POINTS, which he has made many times, should reassure anyone who is concerned about what his presidency would mean for the security of Israel. And yet many are not reassured. They are alarmed by emails saying that Obama's middle name is Hussein (true, and so what?), that he is a Muslim and not a Christian (untrue, and so what if it were true?), that he took the oath of office as a senator on the Koran rather than the Bible (utterly untrue and, once again, so what?).

All these charges have been aired and negated often enough that anyone interested in hearing the truth about them has heard it. But another charge, circulating on the Internet, has not yet been sufficiently refuted. This is that Obama has advisers on the Middle East who despise Israel.

Let's take one example. There are all kinds of spooky rumors that a man named Robert Malley advises Obama on the Middle East. His name comes up mysteriously and intrusively on the Web, like the ads for Viagra.

Malley, who has written several deceitful articles in the New York Review of Books, is anti-Israel. No question about it. But Malley is not and has never been Middle East adviser to Barack Obama. Obama's Middle East adviser is Dan Shapiro.

Malley did, though, work for Bill Clinton. He was deeply involved in the disastrous diplomacy of 2000. Obama at the time was in the Illinois State Senate. So, yes, this is a piece of experience that Obama lacks.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   11:20:05 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Jethro Tull (#76)

Turns out Rendell was correct..todays polls show Hillary leading Obummer easily in Pa.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-14   11:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: Cynicom (#77)

Rasmussen's Daily Presidential Tracking Poll, just released, shows Obama opening a 12-point lead over Hillary nationwide, 49-37: Daily Presidential Tracking Poll.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-14   11:31:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: aristeides (#78)

Ari...

Saw that...The heavy weight states have yet to weigh in and Pa is one of them.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-14   11:36:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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