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Title: US Lawmakers Defy Bush On Wiretap Bill
Source: AFP
URL Source: http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/0802 ... s_congress_intelligence_bush_4
Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: AFP
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:37:29 by Brian S
Keywords: None
Views: 71
Comments: 3

WASHINGTON (AFP) - US lawmakers defied a warning from US President George W. Bush Wednesday to reach a quick decision and agreed to debate a controversial wiretapping law for three more weeks.

With the current legislation set to expire on Friday, Bush had pushed for the House of Representatives to follow the Senate's example and pass a new text this week authorizing the tapping of foreign telephone calls and emails.

"Time for debate is over. I will not accept any temporary extension. House members have had plenty of time to pass a good bill," Bush said in a statement delivered in the Oval Office.

The Senate on Tuesday bowed to pressure and passed the controversial measure, part of the government's legal battery in the "war on terror."

But the bill faces stiff opposition from some Democrats in the House, particularly as it offers blanket legal immunity to telecommunications companies for possible violations of US law if they participate in the measures.

By a vote of 206 to 199 votes, the House agreed Wednesday to prolong its debate for three more weeks.

"The bill the Senate passed yesterday, in my view, is unacceptable," said Democratic Representative Jane Harman, who chairs a homeland security subcommittee on intelligence and terrorism.

Senate Democratic Majority Leader Harry Reid charged that Bush was to blame for the standoff by secretly authorizing the wiretaps without Congress approval in 2001.

"Let's be clear: this is yet more proof that President Bush and his Republican allies are more interested in politicizing intelligence than they are about finding real solutions," Reid said.

"Today, President Bush continues his bullying."

The 30-year-old Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) was amended by Congress last year to make clear the National Security Agency and other intelligence operations were legally empowered to tap into electronic communications when one or more of the targets is in a foreign location, without first obtaining permission from a FISA court.

But Congress set a February 1, 2008 expiration date on that legislation, called the Protect America Act, which was temporarily extended to February 15.

Urging swift adoption of permanent legislation, Bush charged Wednesday that the goal of the militants was "to bring destruction to our shores that will make September 11 pale by comparison.

"To carry out their plans, they must communicate with each other. They must recruit operatives. And they must share information. The lives of countless Americans depend on our ability to monitor these communications.

"It is time for Congress to ensure the flow of vital intelligence is not disrupted. It is time for Congress to pass a law that provides a long-term foundation to protect our country. They must do so immediately."

The Bush administration insists the once-secret surveillance program is necessary to monitor communications between suspected terrorists overseas and extremists inside the United States.

But the House version of the draft legislation, which Bush has threatened to veto, offers no protection for the telecommunications industry and has more restrictions on the government's power.

"In order to be able to discover the enemy's plans, we need the collaboration of telecommunication companies," Bush said.

"If these companies are subjected to lawsuits that could cost them billions of dollars, they will not participate. They will not help protect America," he said.

After the September 11, 2001 attacks, Bush authorized the National Security Agency to eavesdrop, without court warrants, on calls and emails between the United States and abroad in cases deemed to have a terror link.

The program, revealed in 2005, caused public outcry and human rights experts have argued that US privacy guarantees mean the intelligence agencies should seek court warrants to conduct such spying inside the country.

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#1. To: Brian S (#0)

What an idiot Bush is.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   19:45:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Brian S (#0)

Lou Dobbs just said the House FAILED to extend the law, so I checked google and found this:

House Democrats Fail In Extension Of Wiretapping Law

February 13, 2008: 06:53 PM EST

WASHINGTON -(Dow Jones)- House Democrats were unsuccessful in seeking a 21 day extension to the Protect America Act, the legislation underpinning the government's controversial warrantless wiretapping program.

The vote was 229 against 191 to extend the Act while lawmakers negotiated a deal on its replacement.

The Democrats had been seeking the extension in order to give lawmakers in both Houses of Congress time to strike a deal on the most contentious aspect of the legislation: whether or not to grant phone companies who allegedly participated in the program retro-active immunity from civil law suits.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer, D-Md., said shortly after the vote that he didn't expect another attempt to extend the legislation before it expired on Saturday and Congress went into recess.

He also said that he attributed the outcome of the vote, which saw several moderate Democrats side with the Republicans against the bid, to a threat issued earlier Wednesday by President Bush to veto any extension.

The legislation has already been extended once to allow the Senate more time to approve a revision of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, which will become the new legislative underpinning of the warrantless wiretapping program.

The Senate voted to approve FISA Tuesday after more than two months wrangling on the issue. Despite several attempts Democrats were unable to strip out immunity from the version of the bill approved in that chamber.

The House last year voted a version through which doesn't make any mention of granting retro-active immunity.

While there is partisan divide over the levels of oversight and checks and balances of the warrantless wiretapping, the real rancor has been over the immunity issue.

House Democrats are now left with a tough decision about how to proceed.

Hoyer suggested they may just take their time on negotiating with the Senate over the final wording of the FISA, a process known as conferencing.

There is the very real possibility that Democratic lawmakers will allow the Protect America Act to expire on Saturday.

The administration has warned that if this occurs, Americans will be less safe from the threat of terrorism as the intelligence community will be hampered in its efforts.

"Allowing the Protect America Act to expire would undermine our national security and endanger American lives, and that is unacceptable," said John Boehner, House Republican Leader, in a statement released after the vote.

Democrats have strongly rejected this notion.

"I do not agree with those who contend that the expiration of the Protect America Act will jeopardize our national security," said Hoyer, speaking on the House floor shortly before the vote.

Even proponents of the bill President Bush is trying to force Congress to clear are saying that a brief delay to negotiate a House-Senate deal won't hurt.

"It is my belief the nation will not be more at risk," said Sen. Diane Feinstein, D-Calif.

Feinstein is a member of the Senate Intelligence Committee and backs immunity for telephone companies, but was not concerned about allowing the current act to expire.

"The collection can continue," Feinstein said.

The American Civil Liberties Union also agreed, and urged lawmakers to remain strong.

"The House should stand up to the bullying from the president and reject the administration's lies and fear mongering," said Caroline Fredrickson, director of the ACLU's Washington legislative office.

The administration has confirmed the existence of a warrantless wiretapping program in the wake of the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, but has never confirmed the participation of the phone companies like AT&T Inc. (T) and Verizon Communications Inc. (VZ).

The telecommunications firms themselves have always refused to comment, citing national security concerns. The Wall Street Journal reported that Qwest Communications International Inc. (Q) refused to participate.

Sen. Chris Dodd, D-Conn., a fierce opponent of immunity being granted, said Wednesday 16 companies participated in the surveillance efforts.

-By Corey Boles, Dow Jones Newswires; 202-862-6637; corey.boles@dowjones.com


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-02-13   19:49:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: MUDDOG (#2)

So the law expires on Saturday. I see that as a win.

I hope the House holds together and keeps that telecom immunity out of the bill...

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-13   20:22:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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