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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?
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#44. To: christine (#0)
christine....I think it's not so much a sell-out as the age old dilemma of voting one's conscience vs voting AGAINST rather than for. I like ron paul, mostly for his anti-war views, but as I have stated here many times, I'm a bleeding heart liberal and my candidate was dennis kucinich. that presented a struggle for me - vote for him, knowing he couldn't win, or vote against someone else. just about the time I decided to vote my conscience he dropped out. so much for my conscience. I want someone to get us out of this stupid and morally wrong war, and all the evil trappings, like torture and the gutting of our rights, that accompany it. I think I am in agreement with most, if not all, here about that. where we digress is that I believe more in social programs than I think many here do. I do a lot of volunteer work and I just can't deny the need. I wish programs to help the poor weren't necessary, but I believe strongly that they are. I hate paying taxes but if I didn't, I would probably pay as much or more to help the needy. do I think government is the best entity to do this? not really, but it's probably the only one with the clout to make it happen. do I think it's efficient? no. I just don't see the alternative. anyway, I enjoy posting and reading here. I generally run in ultra-liberal circles in *real life* and I love seeing other viewpoints and opening my mind to other opinions, and finding common ground, which I often do. my original point (I really did have one!) is that if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war. I'm not advocating for obama here. I think he's an awesome speaker but I haven't seen much substance beyond that. he's not my candidate. but he's likely to get my vote if it's against mccain, who I really don't much care for. so that was my point. saying no and no more could feel personally good, but cause unwanted repercussions. sometimes you have to vote AGAINST, not for. I read recently somewhere (here maybe?) that this whole national election circus is designed to distract people from the elections that really will impact their lives, local elections. those are probably what we all should focus on while the dog and pony show plays out. my 2 cents :)
and that's it in a nutshell
While I'm thinking of it, I have some ocean front property in New Mexico I'm looking to unload...
I think kiki expressed the dilemma very well. Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?
Any one of the 3 will give you the exact same thing. Hussein Obama will be given the reason for war and he'll do his lord's will. They're all going to give you Amnesty and the North American Union. Why support ANY of them? Just to be cool? I don't get it. There is no 'lesser evil' at this point. They're all pure wickedness. Why don't you people see this (I might not want to know the answer, it's occurred to me)?
Senor, el NAU viene a América si usted lo quiere o no. Comprendo??
La unión norteamericana traerá la guerra y todos patriotas deben levantarse para matar a los traidores entre nosotros.
I have four words - and one de - for you..... Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna
Remember Goliad!
seriously, my stomach is hurting from laughing so hard!!!!!!
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#57. To: kiki (#44)
if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war.
#66. To: robin (#57)
if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war.
#74. To: FOH (#66)
#78. To: robin (#74)
Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?
#94. To: FOH (#78)
#98. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
#105. To: FOH (#98)
#115. To: Jethro Tull (#105)
#118. To: FOH, cynicom, all (#115)
The East Lawn Easter Egg hunt, April, 2009
#124. To: Jethro Tull (#118)
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