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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#189. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

"By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?"

The anarchist viewpoint tends to run to the theory of voting for the worst person running as to make the system collapse on itself faster.

I can't think that way. I am using my vote as leverage to help kill Hillary's candidacy. I am a Pacific Green, and I may return to the Democratic roles for the primary to vote against Hillary.

I just can't stomach the thought of ever being registered Republican, but if I thought it would make a difference I would register as one to help Ron Paul.

I have a small window to decide what I am going to do before the Oregon primary, but I am game to piss in the hat Hillary threw in the ring. I loathe the Clintons with passion, and want to give her a chance to actually be a senator.

Actually serving is something she never intended on. That seat is a polish the apple gambit, and I hate their hypocrisy.

I am also born and raised as a Connecticut Yankee, and I want Lieberman's political scalp on a pike as well. McCain I loathe with every fiber of my being. You don't replace an arrogant, stuck up insane chimp with the same sort of creature who differs only in that he looks like a gram-pa orangutan instead of the sort of primate Tarzan called buddy. None of these people have more then my greatest disdain. Obama has the potential of proving himself. If I am forced to make a leap of faith, he would get my support.

I empathize with your sentiments here Christine; but some people can't just do nothing. Some people just feel compelled to try to do the least worst choice of things to do in a situation like this.

And it is worse to try to stop them then to go ahead and let them do the ritual that might be self delusional, as it usually helps them keep their sanity.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-02-14   0:06:48 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I empathize with your sentiments here Christine; but some people can't just do nothing.

sometimes doing nothing is the right thing, but it's a very difficult thing to do if you consider yourself an activist. a contradiction, if you will. we each have to sort it out on our own terms. sadly, people with the same ultimate purpose can get all caught up in the details. I hate it when politics messes up friendships.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   0:20:36 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I understand where you are coming from, probably better then you realize.

I supported Kerry the last time around and defended him stoutly at LP. I blew the whistle on petitioner fraud in Portland, Oregon and got Nader's attempt to get on the ballot to fail.

I knew it was Republican money paying to have these homeless and often drug addicted petitioners gather names which they traded, made up, got from phone books, or from people they told the petition was to keep Nader off the ballot, not put him on it.

I felt that Kerry was the one most likely to give into arm twisting to end the war, a judgment I now see I was wrong about.

I think I have been an effective activist. But the hind sight of history doesn't always make you feel good about either you actually did the right thing or not.

It was fraud, uncovered and verified fairly. But should I of bothered pointing it out to those who had the means to do something about it?

Whatever I do this country is in serious trouble. let us say I at least know that is beyond any doubt. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-02-14   0:32:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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