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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#10. To: Kamala, All (#3)

Two mos. ago I was arguing with some who thought RP should choose Kucinich as his fusion VP running mate. As of this minute, RP is engaged in a fierce struggle to keep his House seat and Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#0)

I, for one, will not vote for ANY establishment clown. Not this election, not any in the past 30 years or so and no intention of ever voting for them. By their fruits you shall know them and I am amazed that so many people have been duped by these frauds and charlatans.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-13   20:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

hahahahahahaha

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   20:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Where Hillary will soon be.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-02-13   20:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

You are right. Every "election" there are fewer and fewer to "vote" for.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   20:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#0)

It ain't me.....still voting 4 Ron Paul March on the March 4 Texas primary

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   20:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: MUDDOG (#13)

I think you're right. I do want to see the wildebeest cry a few more times, tho. And yes, that MSNBC talking head was right; Chelsea Clinton is still ugly and she is being used as a political pimp.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#0)

I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....

SAY WHAT?! What surprise?! Christine, how many years have you watched people justify the choice of the lessor of two evils?! I have heard it put exactly like that!! BY PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO VOTE!!!!!!!!! What is the surprise?

Please fill me in, cause I don get it........

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-13   20:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   20:24:29 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

As of this minute, RP is engaged in a fierce struggle to keep his House seat

Curt Weldon challenged the establishment and he lost his seat.The RP message is a threat. The establishment will kill it if they can. Making RP a private citizen would send a message to everyone else in public office.

honway  posted on  2008-02-13   20:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#12)

It's called "white guilt" ...white guilt refers to a controversial concept of individual or collective guilt often said to be felt by some white people for the treatment of people of color by whites both historically and presently...white South Africans are the poster children of this concept....years of being called racists they like Americans of today will cave in thinking that by supporting a black man it will cleanse them of this sterotype

robnoel  posted on  2008-02-13   20:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: James Deffenbach (#11)

I, for one, will not vote for ANY establishment clown.

You Sir, are a gentleman, a scholar and a man that knows corrupt politics.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   20:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: X-15 (#18)

That culturally diverse dude in the lower picture? His real name is LeVon Debois and he lives in Harlem. I arrested him for burglary in '76. Dopey liberals....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: honway (#19)

I know, I like RP and love his message. I simply have no hope regarding this country, so please pardon my cynicism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Jethro...

I did not think your joke was that funny.

Would you drink milk from a carton with that beasts picture???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   20:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: X-15 (#18)

"Dat white girl be ugly, but dem fat arms be good eatin'!"

If you do not know who you are, you are maimed.- Jimmy Cantrell

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-02-13   20:32:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#24)

The Mrs bought it and my days of the true Breakfast of Champions is long over, so it's going on my Maypo.

(Are you sure you aren't a Mennonite?)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: YertleTurtle (#25)

"Dat white girl be ugly, but dem fat arms be good eatin'!"


Marinated Leg of Person

1 leg, about 3 kilos
6 cups dry cider
1 kilo carrots, sliced thinly
8 medium onions, sliced thinly
16 juniper berries
8 leaves sage, chopped
1/2 cup butter
2 whole nutmegs, grated
salt and pepper to taste

Combine half each of the cider, nutmeg and sage with 2 of the onions, the juniper berries and salt and pepper to taste. Cut the leg into slices about 1 cm. thick and over these pour the marinade. Refrigerate, covered, for 36 - 48 hours, turning the meat occasionally.

Remove the meat from the marinade and dry with toweling. Strain the marinade and to this add the remaining cider.

In a large flameproof casserole melt the butter and, over a high flame, brown the meat slices on both sides. Remove the slices, lower the flame and add the remaining onions and the carrots, cooking until the onions are softened. Pour in the marinade and bring to a boil. Add the remaining seasonings, replace the venison, cover and place in a medium oven for 1 1/2 hours. Serve hot directly from the casserole. Serves 6 - 8.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: YertleTurtle (#25)

HA!!!! LOL!!!! This very well may be your best post in about 2 years.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   20:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Brian S, christine (#2)

*Obama 2008*

That is waaayyyy too funny!

I will qualify my comments about Obama, and that is, if it's not Ron Paul, the USA is screwed no matter who gets the oval office.

Ergo, IF the USA is screwed no matter what, there is some moral justification for favoring the candidate who will most likely get us out of Iraq and stop the killing abroad. While we can talk about what we deserve, the USA as a country the USA owes Iraq enormously. Sticking to principles at the expense of Iraqi lives seems to me dubious moral ground.

In terms of what's best for the USA, writing in Ron Paul, if need be, is the best thing to do.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   20:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Holy Crap! I didn't have the background that picture, I figured it was Boozing Chelsea getting schmarmy with some Nigerian at a U.N function.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   20:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Tell the rabble to be quiet we anticipate a riot
This common crowd is much too loud
Tell the mob who sing your song that they are fools and they are wrong
They are a curse, they should disperse

LOL!!!

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-13   20:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine (#0)

Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Amen sister.


My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places.
-- Winnie the Pooh

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-13   21:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: honway (#19)

Making RP a private citizen would send a message to everyone else in public office.

Losing his seat in the primary would also free him up for a 3rd party run.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-02-13   21:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: honway (#7)

Imagine the same people you see running the drivers license office and the IRS running the health care system.

Yes, it's MUCH better to have private, for profit insurance companies who take your money for years and years, then deny you coverage for any reason they can come up in charge of our health care system. MUCH better. Really.

By the way, I had to get my truck smogged, and new tags and plates for it as well. I took care of this yesterday. The smog check took maybe ten minutes from the time I pulled in to the time I left, and the tags and plates took even less time.

You know, maybe, just maybe it IS possible for government to do some things right. But no, really, I think it's MUCH better to have people who have every motivation to deny coverage and therefore pocket more profits in charge of health care. Oh, and also to give them the right to veto any treatment my doctor may want to provide. Yes, much MUCH better. Really.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-02-13   21:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#0)

Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Damn straight!

That's why I'm saying NO to the odious Clintons and NO MORE to the traitorous Plutocrat/War Party with one very easy vote.

Bada bing, bada boom.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Ergo, IF the USA is screwed no matter what, there is some moral justification for favoring the candidate who will most likely get us out of Iraq and stop the killing abroad.

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   21:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#29)

In terms of what's best for the USA, writing in Ron Paul, if need be, is the best thing to do.

I hope your non-vote brings you much comfort and solace through the four to eight miserable years of Hitlery or Mclame.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#36)

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

Arkanside has proven to always be fatal.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   21:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine, ALL (#36)

A protest vote against the One World Monopolists for a One World Monopolist is by definition insanity...the reason the choice is McHillobama is because the OWM wars must continue until America is gone/of no use to the elites anymore.

How someone could go from supporting Ron Paul to supporting an establishment candidate defies words. It's only more proof that there aren't that many left here worth fighting for, imo. And yet we kept working...

It's time for me to go back into the field now for a long stretch of waking people up that dare to walk in the truth.

Hope to see you all in New Orleans for the north american summit this April. I'm not holding my breath for those who would so cavalierly hop onto a One World Monopolist's bandwagon.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Elliott Jackalope (#34)

A vote for Nanny State Big Government...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: MUDDOG, Jethro Tull (#13)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Where Hillary will soon be.

Only if you live in TX or OH and get off your ass and vote for Obama in the primary.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: iconoclast (#41)

Only if you live in TX or OH and get off your ass and vote for Obama in the primary.

LOLOL!

I never knew ye...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: All (#42)

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Title: Barack Obama on Gun Control
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URL Source: http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/news/barack-obama-on-gun-control/
Published: Jan 8, 2008
Author: Syd
Post Date: 2008-01-08 21:34:52 by FormerLurker

Keywords: NWO, Gun Confiscation, 2008 Elections
Views: 337
Comments: 18

Barack Obama on Gun Control

If the Democrats have "gotten the message" on gun control, why is this guy their new "rock star"?

Senator Barak H. Obama, Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator

Position: Keep guns out of inner cities "but inner city violence is also a problem of morality:

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Position: Ban high capacity semiautomatic handguns:

While Obama suggested there may be a need for restrictions on so-called semiautomatic guns, he contends Democrats must steer clear of alienating "lawful" gun owners. "I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believer in homeowners having a firearm to protect their home and their family," Obama said. "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic Source: Radio Iowa

Positions on Gun Control:

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005 Source

"This seems to be a man [Obama] who is absolutely determined to make the world safe for criminals while making sure that law-abiding citizens have no opportunity to defend themselves "Alan Keyes. Source

Commenting on the VT massacre, Obama said:

"(Cho) had a semiautomatic weapon with a clip that allowed him to take 19 shots in a row", Obama said. "I don't know any self-respecting hunter that needs 19 rounds of anything. The only reason you have 19 rounds is potentially to do physical harm to people. You don't shoot 19 rounds at a deer. And if you do, you shouldn't be hunting Source

Uh, dude, it's not about hunting. Maybe it's about being able to defend yourself from maniacs?

Barak Obama's Voting Record on Gun Control
This page on Gunlaw News includes quotes, voting record and more links to additional resources.

In another place:

Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.

Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.

Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law. Source

Barak Obama served on the board of the notoriously anti-civil right Joyce Foundation. Source. The Joyce Foundation is the funding source for astroturf anti-gun organizations such at The Gun Guys and The Freedom States Alliance.

On the Washington D.C. handgun ban, Obama said that he:

believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional. Source

Mr. Obama says he's, in it to transform the country No thanks, Barak. Think I'll pass. Your kind of changes I can live without.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:01:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: christine (#0)

christine....I think it's not so much a sell-out as the age old dilemma of voting one's conscience vs voting AGAINST rather than for. I like ron paul, mostly for his anti-war views, but as I have stated here many times, I'm a bleeding heart liberal and my candidate was dennis kucinich. that presented a struggle for me - vote for him, knowing he couldn't win, or vote against someone else. just about the time I decided to vote my conscience he dropped out. so much for my conscience.

I want someone to get us out of this stupid and morally wrong war, and all the evil trappings, like torture and the gutting of our rights, that accompany it. I think I am in agreement with most, if not all, here about that. where we digress is that I believe more in social programs than I think many here do. I do a lot of volunteer work and I just can't deny the need. I wish programs to help the poor weren't necessary, but I believe strongly that they are. I hate paying taxes but if I didn't, I would probably pay as much or more to help the needy. do I think government is the best entity to do this? not really, but it's probably the only one with the clout to make it happen. do I think it's efficient? no. I just don't see the alternative.

anyway, I enjoy posting and reading here. I generally run in ultra-liberal circles in *real life* and I love seeing other viewpoints and opening my mind to other opinions, and finding common ground, which I often do.

my original point (I really did have one!) is that if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war. I'm not advocating for obama here. I think he's an awesome speaker but I haven't seen much substance beyond that. he's not my candidate. but he's likely to get my vote if it's against mccain, who I really don't much care for. so that was my point. saying no and no more could feel personally good, but cause unwanted repercussions. sometimes you have to vote AGAINST, not for.

I read recently somewhere (here maybe?) that this whole national election circus is designed to distract people from the elections that really will impact their lives, local elections. those are probably what we all should focus on while the dog and pony show plays out. my 2 cents :)

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All (#43)

Position: Ban high capacity semiautomatic handguns:

While Obama suggested there may be a need for restrictions on so-called semiautomatic guns, he contends Democrats must steer clear of alienating "lawful" gun owners. "I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believer in homeowners having a firearm to protect their home and their family," Obama said. "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic Source: Radio Iowa

The silver tongued racist can come personally for my 30-round clips...if he'd like.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: kiki (#44)

My Lord, you folks are so easily deceived by the OWMs.

America is over...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast (#37)

I hope your non-vote brings you much comfort and solace through the four to eight miserable years of Hitlery or Mclame.

I thought of voting for Obama until I heard his foreign policy advisor is Zbignew Brzezinski. When he was Jimmy Carter's NSA advisor, he convinced President Peanut Head to give aid to AFghan rebels PRIOR TO THE 1979 SOVIET INVASION precisely so the Soviets would invade and get bogged down in the occupation of a Muslim country. Zbig set America and the Mideast on the path to hell.

I am a lifelong Republican and voted for Ron Paul in the primary. I voted for Ralph NAder. I have never voted for either Bush father or son because I refuse to vote for anyone from the Bilderberg Society, the CFR or the Trilateral Commission. Zbig was a member of the latter as was George H.W. Bush.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2008-02-13   22:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: FOH (#46)

My Lord, you folks are so easily deceived by the OWMs.

the office of wastewater management?

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: kiki (#48)

Other Women's Men

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FOH (#46)

America is over...

I seriously doubt it ... but in the unlikely event that it is I hope you'll know who to blame.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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