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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#285. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#281)

ok, that makes sense.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   18:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: iconoclast, christine, Jethro Tull (#275)

God bless you brother.

This forum has become an insane asylum. The joy of a sane man encountering another in such a place is indescribable.

Please don't embrace me while attacking the forum.

It comes off as manipulative and slippery and causes me to question your purpose for being here.

Regarding JT's views, there is ample evidence that he is absolutely correct in his apparently cynical view of politics.

In fact I seldom find myself disagreeing with him because I know that nothing is as it appears and he is probably right.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   18:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: angle (#278)

No. Just wonder what all your hoopla's about if you're voting Obama. No worries, right? He's certainly no conservative or libertarian or constitutionalist, so he's not losing any votes from the RP crowd, now is he?

I owe you all a small clarification I guess.

My sentiments, and they are intense, are aimed at those of you who are yet to cast your primary vote.

McCain is unstoppable in the the Stupid Party.

Hitlery still has a realistic shot at being on the Dim ticket.

If this is prospect is okey dokey with you, then sleep well.

If you sit 'n bitchers are comfortable with the prospect then just ignore me. Then it will become the first election I've ever sat out .... there will be NO lesser of two evils.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: christine (#283)

i so beg to differ. read my post to Rupert, iconoclast. Indie feels the same as do.

I read yours.

Now you read mine. ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: iconoclast (#287)

My sentiments, and they are intense, are aimed at those of you who are yet to cast your primary vote.

I'm voting FOR Ron Paul on March 4, 2008. Not Obama. Not Hitlery. Not "Insane" McCain. Why?? Because he is the only man running for President who is brave enough to break with all of the bad policies that have almost ruined this nation. You voted for Obama and that's your right. But if you vote for Obama this November and that sorry bastard becomes President we'll all remember you voted for him, iconoclast. And we'll exercise OUR RIGHT (with christine's permission) to excoriate you in the public arena called freedom4um. Fair enough?

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   18:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: HOUNDDAWG (#286)

Please don't embrace me while attacking the forum.

Sorry I mis-read you.

I guess I win the conclusion jumping contest for the night.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: X-15 (#289)

But if you vote for Obama this November and that sorry bastard becomes President we'll all remember you voted for him, iconoclast.

Sorry, I didn't get which of the other inevitable candidates you're hoping for .... Hitlery or McInsane?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: iconoclast (#287)

Then it will become the first election I've ever sat out .... there will be NO lesser of two evils.

there ya go. ;)

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   19:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: X-15 (#289)

I'm voting FOR Ron Paul on March 4, 2008.

Well, perhaps that will be therapeutic for your petulant hurt feelings but how does it prevent prevent a McCain Clinton face off in November?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: iconoclast (#291)

I'm not voting for any of the three stooges. If I can't write-in Ron Paul this November, I'm not voting for President.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: iconoclast (#293)

Well, perhaps that will be therapeutic for your petulant hurt feelings but how does it prevent prevent a McCain Clinton face off in November?

I can always hope for an Act of God to strike down one of the defilers of the Constitution.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: X-15 (#294)

I'm not voting for any of the three stooges.

Bravo little feller.

You've undoubtedly moved mountains during your lifetime.

It must have gotten mighty tiresome carrying your ball home though.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: X-15 (#294) (Edited)

Not trying to be obtuse, but what could possibly prevent you from voting for Dr Paul as a write-in? I doubt any such effort would result in a Ron Paul presidency, but it is nonetheless a simple way to serve notice.

I've never done a write-in before, but that's my plan for now, largely depending on who the Libertarians or Constitutional Parties run.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: X-15 (#295)

I can always hope for an Act of God to strike down one of the defilers of the Constitution.

I will be waiting with bated breath for multiple thunderclaps.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: christine (#292)

Then it will become the first election I've ever sat out .... there will be NO lesser of two evils.

there ya go. ;)

I think you fouled off my point, Hon. ;-)

It's a McCain/Clinton match up that will totally discourage my participation.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#281)

Both factions spell the end of sovereignty, I just think that the Zionist camp is the bloodier of the two.

I was thinking about making bland interjection about subfactions until I read that, but then remembered what a large chunk of the Democratic Party is consumed by foriegn passions as well.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: iconoclast (#287)

McCain is unstoppable in the the Stupid Party

Thank you sir may I have another?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: iconoclast (#284)

Yeah, and I've made my choice ... Obama ... wasn't at all tough, and I'm acting on it.

Great choice.

What is it about him that suggests he'd be any less of the same poison, and what assurance can you offer that your vote will be counted?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   19:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: Dakmar (#297)

I'm assuming that we'll be allowed to write in a candidate this election cycle. Seeing how the primary process has panned out, I wouldn't be surprised if our ballot comes out with only two choices.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: Dakmar (#297)

but it is nonetheless a simple way to serve notice.

Serve notice of what? Certainty of a Clinton or McCain election?

I can't abide that thought.

I believe Obama will not lie like Bush.

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

I believe he will heal and not divide with pandering and partisan hate like Hillary.

That may not make him George Washington but it makes him head and shoulders above current and recent choices.

Just MHO.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: X-15 (#303)

I've never done a write-in vote, as attested by revision of my previous post (my mind wanders, lol), but I think it's a damned fine idea. I'll schedule a week off work, rent a lawnchair, and sit there and watch them count them all.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: iconoclast (#304)

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

As is your right. I was actually impressed with Obama's threat to attack Pakistan, he might be fun.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Dakmar (#297)

I've never done a write-in before, but that's my plan for now

That was my plan too until I gave the McCain Clinton face off some serious thought.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: iconoclast (#307)

Obama is bought and paid for is my opinion. I derive no pleasure from that, it actually hurts if I think too hard about it, but I've seen him kowtow to AIPAC one too many times, which is one with me.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: iconoclast (#299)

i got it. i was teasing you.

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   19:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: Dakmar (#306)

As is your right. I was actually impressed with Obama's threat to attack Pakistan, he might be fun.

I know where you're coming from ... I was frothing at the mouth for that at the point where the Decider cut and ran from there to begin the nutty invasion of Iraq.

Alas, I fear that train may have left the station on that option (though there is bit of fun-thought still titillating me too).

One good thing (maybe the only one) has come out of the Iraq tragedy for me. That is that I have come to think that, if left to their own devices, the Arabs may very well erase these Jihad nuts from their own turbulent midst. As predictable, Bush has taken credit for the put down of al qaeda west of Baghdad but that was the due to the efforts of Sunni sheiks.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: FOH (#221)

And which 3rd, 4th, or 5th party did/do you want him to run under? Even the Constitution Party from what I read the other day is not yet, but is hopeful, of being on all 50 state ballots.

You do realize, of course, that the makes the nut just that much harder if, for instance, he would do as you are bidding him to do, and whatever party you chose was not on all 50 states--say, they're only on 45 states? What then? You just made the job a hell of a lot harder. What if those 5 missing states were something like Californicate, Florida, or NY with their large # of electoral votes?

And speaking of electoral votes.......how does each state select their electors? It is based on who wins each individual state's race, or based on the state's party in power, or ???

And say, for the sake of argument....there was no one reaching the magic # of electoral votes required to win.......then it goes to the House, does it not? And do you honestly believe that a house run by demoncraps would select anyone but a fellow traveler to become president?

I'm just throwing out some 'what ifs'.....don't know or much care whether they are fact or fiction.....no one seems to care that Ron Paul never vowed he'd run on a 3rd party ticket.

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-14   20:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: rowdee (#311)

Damnit, I was promised 5th party slot. I was planning to extort Confection and Tobacco Workers Union to buy giant black light posters.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   20:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: Dakmar (#308)

Obama is bought and paid for is my opinion. I derive no pleasure from that, it actually hurts if I think too hard about it, but I've seen him kowtow to AIPAC one too many times, which is one with me.

I have read his speech to AIPAC and found it unsatisfactory on a couple of points, but hardly the ass-kissing sort of thing we have come to expect from Bush.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: iconoclast (#304)

I believe Obama will not lie like Bush.

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

I believe he will heal and not divide with pandering and partisan hate like Hillary.

People with values have a keener sense of the worth they place upon their vote. When the choices amount to NO CHOICE only those without that sense of worth would even waste their time. Iconoclast, you obviously fit in the "without worth" category.

And, if you truly believe the crap quoted above ... I've got a bridge ...

noone222  posted on  2008-02-14   20:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#315. To: Jethro Tull (#302)

What is it about him that suggests he'd be any less of the same poison

I humbly refer you to #304.

what assurance can you offer that your vote will be counted?

You devil you, have you somehow located the box in which I placed my ballot? ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#316. To: noone222 (#314)

People with values have a keener sense of the worth they place upon their vote.

A highfalutin way to say you've chosen to make yours pointless and worthless.

I've got a bridge

Honey, you don't even have a clue.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#317. To: iconoclast (#315)

I humbly refer you to #304.

And I sir, humbly refer to you as The Duped One, not to be mistaken in any way with the great Jackie Gleason.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   20:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#318. To: iconoclast (#313)

I have read his speech to AIPAC and found it unsatisfactory on a couple of points, but hardly the ass-kissing sort of thing we have come to expect from Bush.

Now there's a role model. :)

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   20:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#319. To: iconoclast (#279)

you go ahead and let one of these two slip into the White House thanks to yours and the other "protest votes".

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that. Beliefs, not guarantees. 'Your' protest vote, if you will.

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   20:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#320. To: FOH (#221)

I'm convinced that Ron starts off a 3-way race against any of those quislings with double digits just in protest. Maybe starts off with 15% of more, prompting others to get in.

And to whom would that throw the election .... Hitlery or McInsane?

More bluster .... to what end?

The time for fun, frolic, and folly is over but I'll be glad to take a seat next to you and debate all the way to the Ron Paul march on D.C.

Right now the we are upon the decision of who will oppose McCain and Hillary is woozy but not out.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#321. To: angle (#319)

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that.

Actually no, considerable hope too.

Beliefs, not guarantees.

Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get a guarantee?

On second thought, maybe I could give you some guarantees on Mac and Hill.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#322. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   21:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: angle (#319) (Edited)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Actually I never held a positive thought about the smug little faux cowboy from Andover, but SC choices were expected and I (foolishly?) based my vote entirely on that fact.

And, then of course, the Dumbocrats selected the wooden headed Algore to head their ticket. And I fear they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once more and hand the nomination to Hitlery, the only one on earth that that halfwit McC would stand a chance against.

That's why they need some help from thoughtful Republicans and Independents in these next crucial primaries.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#324. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Bush was the main reason I quit the GOP party, back in 1999. I suspect he's been a barf-inducing entity since the day after he was born.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-14   21:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#325. To: kiki (#322) (Edited)

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

In 2000 when so many people were duped by him, he almost won the election.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   22:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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