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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#2. To: Robin, *Obama 2008* (#0)

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Brian S  posted on  2008-02-13   20:01:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

*Obama 2008*

That is waaayyyy too funny!

I will qualify my comments about Obama, and that is, if it's not Ron Paul, the USA is screwed no matter who gets the oval office.

Ergo, IF the USA is screwed no matter what, there is some moral justification for favoring the candidate who will most likely get us out of Iraq and stop the killing abroad. While we can talk about what we deserve, the USA as a country the USA owes Iraq enormously. Sticking to principles at the expense of Iraqi lives seems to me dubious moral ground.

In terms of what's best for the USA, writing in Ron Paul, if need be, is the best thing to do.

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   20:40:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Ergo, IF the USA is screwed no matter what, there is some moral justification for favoring the candidate who will most likely get us out of Iraq and stop the killing abroad.

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   21:46:40 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

A protest vote against the One World Monopolists for a One World Monopolist is by definition insanity...the reason the choice is McHillobama is because the OWM wars must continue until America is gone/of no use to the elites anymore.

How someone could go from supporting Ron Paul to supporting an establishment candidate defies words. It's only more proof that there aren't that many left here worth fighting for, imo. And yet we kept working...

It's time for me to go back into the field now for a long stretch of waking people up that dare to walk in the truth.

Hope to see you all in New Orleans for the north american summit this April. I'm not holding my breath for those who would so cavalierly hop onto a One World Monopolist's bandwagon.

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:54:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

How someone could go from supporting Ron Paul to supporting an establishment candidate defies words. It's only more proof that there aren't that many left here worth fighting for, imo. And yet we kept working...

Yet Ron Paul steadfastly maintains his GOP affiliation and dismisses a 3rd party run?

Ron Paul, with his decision, has demonstrated for all to see that he IS part of the 'establishment'...the GOP establishment.

He built to machine to leave the 'establishment', yet he pissed it away and is now groveling for GOP votes to retain his rep seat.

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-14   0:37:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Quit crying. He is doing the only thing he can under the circumstances.

How can you not give the guy any credit? 11 started this race. There are 3 left, and a lot of bigger named media darlings went away a lot sooner.

Anyone that counts RP out at this point needs his head examined. To steal a quote from someone else, he is playing chess while the rest played checkers.

Critter  posted on  2008-02-14   0:47:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Anyone that counts RP out at this point needs his head examined. To steal a quote from someone else, he is playing chess while the rest played checkers.

Counting him out...

Tell me how you actually think RP has a chance to become POTUS in 2009?

I really want to know.

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-14   1:06:16 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Tell me how you actually think RP has a chance to become POTUS in 2009?

In a word, lots of "conservative" R's hate McCain, and he's the only one who has a mathematical chance at winning the nomination outright.

If he doesn't win outright, it could be messy. Ron Paul could be selected as everyone's compromise. Particularly if we pound the hell out of his message between now and then.

You asked...

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-14   1:36:59 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Tell me how you actually think RP has a chance to become POTUS in 2009?

In a word, lots of "conservative" R's hate McCain, and he's the only one who has a mathematical chance at winning the nomination outright.

If he doesn't win outright, it could be messy. Ron Paul could be selected as everyone's compromise. Particularly if we pound the hell out of his message between now and then.

You asked...

Conservatives are looking for someone else. McCain is not their guy.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-14   1:39:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Conservatives are looking for someone else. McCain is not their guy.

I predict that a reasonable CP candidate will get 5% just by default...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   2:01:26 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I predict that a reasonable CP candidate will get 5% just by default...

It could be much higher than 5%.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-14   2:06:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

It could be much higher than 5%.

I'm convinced that Ron starts off a 3-way race against any of those quislings with double digits just in protest. Maybe starts off with 15% of more, prompting others to get in.

We actually, in my mind, could have reached 30 million or more Americans.

Oh well...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   2:11:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

And which 3rd, 4th, or 5th party did/do you want him to run under? Even the Constitution Party from what I read the other day is not yet, but is hopeful, of being on all 50 state ballots.

You do realize, of course, that the makes the nut just that much harder if, for instance, he would do as you are bidding him to do, and whatever party you chose was not on all 50 states--say, they're only on 45 states? What then? You just made the job a hell of a lot harder. What if those 5 missing states were something like Californicate, Florida, or NY with their large # of electoral votes?

And speaking of electoral votes.......how does each state select their electors? It is based on who wins each individual state's race, or based on the state's party in power, or ???

And say, for the sake of argument....there was no one reaching the magic # of electoral votes required to win.......then it goes to the House, does it not? And do you honestly believe that a house run by demoncraps would select anyone but a fellow traveler to become president?

I'm just throwing out some 'what ifs'.....don't know or much care whether they are fact or fiction.....no one seems to care that Ron Paul never vowed he'd run on a 3rd party ticket.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-14   20:11:56 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#312. To: rowdee (#311)

Damnit, I was promised 5th party slot. I was planning to extort Confection and Tobacco Workers Union to buy giant black light posters.

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14 20:21:31 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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