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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#294. To: iconoclast (#291)

I'm not voting for any of the three stooges. If I can't write-in Ron Paul this November, I'm not voting for President.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: iconoclast (#293)

Well, perhaps that will be therapeutic for your petulant hurt feelings but how does it prevent prevent a McCain Clinton face off in November?

I can always hope for an Act of God to strike down one of the defilers of the Constitution.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: X-15 (#294)

I'm not voting for any of the three stooges.

Bravo little feller.

You've undoubtedly moved mountains during your lifetime.

It must have gotten mighty tiresome carrying your ball home though.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: X-15 (#294) (Edited)

Not trying to be obtuse, but what could possibly prevent you from voting for Dr Paul as a write-in? I doubt any such effort would result in a Ron Paul presidency, but it is nonetheless a simple way to serve notice.

I've never done a write-in before, but that's my plan for now, largely depending on who the Libertarians or Constitutional Parties run.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: X-15 (#295)

I can always hope for an Act of God to strike down one of the defilers of the Constitution.

I will be waiting with bated breath for multiple thunderclaps.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: christine (#292)

Then it will become the first election I've ever sat out .... there will be NO lesser of two evils.

there ya go. ;)

I think you fouled off my point, Hon. ;-)

It's a McCain/Clinton match up that will totally discourage my participation.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#281)

Both factions spell the end of sovereignty, I just think that the Zionist camp is the bloodier of the two.

I was thinking about making bland interjection about subfactions until I read that, but then remembered what a large chunk of the Democratic Party is consumed by foriegn passions as well.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: iconoclast (#287)

McCain is unstoppable in the the Stupid Party

Thank you sir may I have another?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: iconoclast (#284)

Yeah, and I've made my choice ... Obama ... wasn't at all tough, and I'm acting on it.

Great choice.

What is it about him that suggests he'd be any less of the same poison, and what assurance can you offer that your vote will be counted?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   19:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: Dakmar (#297)

I'm assuming that we'll be allowed to write in a candidate this election cycle. Seeing how the primary process has panned out, I wouldn't be surprised if our ballot comes out with only two choices.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: Dakmar (#297)

but it is nonetheless a simple way to serve notice.

Serve notice of what? Certainty of a Clinton or McCain election?

I can't abide that thought.

I believe Obama will not lie like Bush.

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

I believe he will heal and not divide with pandering and partisan hate like Hillary.

That may not make him George Washington but it makes him head and shoulders above current and recent choices.

Just MHO.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: X-15 (#303)

I've never done a write-in vote, as attested by revision of my previous post (my mind wanders, lol), but I think it's a damned fine idea. I'll schedule a week off work, rent a lawnchair, and sit there and watch them count them all.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: iconoclast (#304)

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

As is your right. I was actually impressed with Obama's threat to attack Pakistan, he might be fun.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Dakmar (#297)

I've never done a write-in before, but that's my plan for now

That was my plan too until I gave the McCain Clinton face off some serious thought.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: iconoclast (#307)

Obama is bought and paid for is my opinion. I derive no pleasure from that, it actually hurts if I think too hard about it, but I've seen him kowtow to AIPAC one too many times, which is one with me.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: iconoclast (#299)

i got it. i was teasing you.

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   19:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: Dakmar (#306)

As is your right. I was actually impressed with Obama's threat to attack Pakistan, he might be fun.

I know where you're coming from ... I was frothing at the mouth for that at the point where the Decider cut and ran from there to begin the nutty invasion of Iraq.

Alas, I fear that train may have left the station on that option (though there is bit of fun-thought still titillating me too).

One good thing (maybe the only one) has come out of the Iraq tragedy for me. That is that I have come to think that, if left to their own devices, the Arabs may very well erase these Jihad nuts from their own turbulent midst. As predictable, Bush has taken credit for the put down of al qaeda west of Baghdad but that was the due to the efforts of Sunni sheiks.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: FOH (#221)

And which 3rd, 4th, or 5th party did/do you want him to run under? Even the Constitution Party from what I read the other day is not yet, but is hopeful, of being on all 50 state ballots.

You do realize, of course, that the makes the nut just that much harder if, for instance, he would do as you are bidding him to do, and whatever party you chose was not on all 50 states--say, they're only on 45 states? What then? You just made the job a hell of a lot harder. What if those 5 missing states were something like Californicate, Florida, or NY with their large # of electoral votes?

And speaking of electoral votes.......how does each state select their electors? It is based on who wins each individual state's race, or based on the state's party in power, or ???

And say, for the sake of argument....there was no one reaching the magic # of electoral votes required to win.......then it goes to the House, does it not? And do you honestly believe that a house run by demoncraps would select anyone but a fellow traveler to become president?

I'm just throwing out some 'what ifs'.....don't know or much care whether they are fact or fiction.....no one seems to care that Ron Paul never vowed he'd run on a 3rd party ticket.

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-14   20:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: rowdee (#311)

Damnit, I was promised 5th party slot. I was planning to extort Confection and Tobacco Workers Union to buy giant black light posters.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   20:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: Dakmar (#308)

Obama is bought and paid for is my opinion. I derive no pleasure from that, it actually hurts if I think too hard about it, but I've seen him kowtow to AIPAC one too many times, which is one with me.

I have read his speech to AIPAC and found it unsatisfactory on a couple of points, but hardly the ass-kissing sort of thing we have come to expect from Bush.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: iconoclast (#304)

I believe Obama will not lie like Bush.

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

I believe he will heal and not divide with pandering and partisan hate like Hillary.

People with values have a keener sense of the worth they place upon their vote. When the choices amount to NO CHOICE only those without that sense of worth would even waste their time. Iconoclast, you obviously fit in the "without worth" category.

And, if you truly believe the crap quoted above ... I've got a bridge ...

noone222  posted on  2008-02-14   20:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#315. To: Jethro Tull (#302)

What is it about him that suggests he'd be any less of the same poison

I humbly refer you to #304.

what assurance can you offer that your vote will be counted?

You devil you, have you somehow located the box in which I placed my ballot? ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#316. To: noone222 (#314)

People with values have a keener sense of the worth they place upon their vote.

A highfalutin way to say you've chosen to make yours pointless and worthless.

I've got a bridge

Honey, you don't even have a clue.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#317. To: iconoclast (#315)

I humbly refer you to #304.

And I sir, humbly refer to you as The Duped One, not to be mistaken in any way with the great Jackie Gleason.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   20:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#318. To: iconoclast (#313)

I have read his speech to AIPAC and found it unsatisfactory on a couple of points, but hardly the ass-kissing sort of thing we have come to expect from Bush.

Now there's a role model. :)

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   20:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#319. To: iconoclast (#279)

you go ahead and let one of these two slip into the White House thanks to yours and the other "protest votes".

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that. Beliefs, not guarantees. 'Your' protest vote, if you will.

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   20:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#320. To: FOH (#221)

I'm convinced that Ron starts off a 3-way race against any of those quislings with double digits just in protest. Maybe starts off with 15% of more, prompting others to get in.

And to whom would that throw the election .... Hitlery or McInsane?

More bluster .... to what end?

The time for fun, frolic, and folly is over but I'll be glad to take a seat next to you and debate all the way to the Ron Paul march on D.C.

Right now the we are upon the decision of who will oppose McCain and Hillary is woozy but not out.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#321. To: angle (#319)

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that.

Actually no, considerable hope too.

Beliefs, not guarantees.

Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get a guarantee?

On second thought, maybe I could give you some guarantees on Mac and Hill.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#322. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   21:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: angle (#319) (Edited)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Actually I never held a positive thought about the smug little faux cowboy from Andover, but SC choices were expected and I (foolishly?) based my vote entirely on that fact.

And, then of course, the Dumbocrats selected the wooden headed Algore to head their ticket. And I fear they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once more and hand the nomination to Hitlery, the only one on earth that that halfwit McC would stand a chance against.

That's why they need some help from thoughtful Republicans and Independents in these next crucial primaries.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#324. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Bush was the main reason I quit the GOP party, back in 1999. I suspect he's been a barf-inducing entity since the day after he was born.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-14   21:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#325. To: kiki (#322) (Edited)

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

In 2000 when so many people were duped by him, he almost won the election.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   22:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#326. To: angle (#325)

In 2000 when so many people were duped by him, he almost won the election.

lol! *almost* being the operative word

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   23:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#327. To: iconoclast (#290)

I guess I win the conclusion jumping contest for the night.

Perhaps if you believe that I would enjoy the rancor of a site like Freeperville where people viciously ass bite each other.

I'm just not up for that.

If this place goes in that direction then I won't take a superior tone about it, but, I won't post here anymore.

Different viewpoints do not automatically justify belittling insults to others, in my view. And, I despise that superior Freeper tone and their unfortunate habit of trying to convert people through humiliation.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   1:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: iconoclast (#321)

Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get a guarantee?

You said this ??? How about "Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get the truth ?

noone222  posted on  2008-02-15   2:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: Dakmar (#312)

OKIE......you've got the 5th party ticket. Whatcha wanna call yer party, Dak....it's your choice?

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-15   2:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#330. To: noone222 (#328)

How about "Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get the truth ?

Truth takes a battering in politics, but never in history such a mauling as was given to it by the Bush administration.

Imo, Clinton and McCain carry his "legacy" forward. They epitomize "same ole, same ole".

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-15   7:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#331. To: Jethro Tull (#317)

And I sir, humbly refer to you as The Duped One,

Krauthammer has a column in today's Washington Post attacking Obama. People who fall for his kind of lies are the duped ones.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   7:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: aristeides (#331)

Krauthammer has a column in today's Washington Post attacking Obama.

HERE:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021403105.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

"...Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow..."

Krauthammer may be correct, but I thought the piece was lacking in substantiation of his opinion. And I'm no McHillabama fan.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-15   8:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#333. To: angle (#332)

The super-Zionists don't like Obama. Hence columns like Krauthammer's.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   8:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#334. To: aristeides (#333)

Obama's rallying the black vote, according to the headlines.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-15   8:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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