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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#319. To: iconoclast (#279)

you go ahead and let one of these two slip into the White House thanks to yours and the other "protest votes".

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that. Beliefs, not guarantees. 'Your' protest vote, if you will.

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   20:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#320. To: FOH (#221)

I'm convinced that Ron starts off a 3-way race against any of those quislings with double digits just in protest. Maybe starts off with 15% of more, prompting others to get in.

And to whom would that throw the election .... Hitlery or McInsane?

More bluster .... to what end?

The time for fun, frolic, and folly is over but I'll be glad to take a seat next to you and debate all the way to the Ron Paul march on D.C.

Right now the we are upon the decision of who will oppose McCain and Hillary is woozy but not out.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#321. To: angle (#319)

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that.

Actually no, considerable hope too.

Beliefs, not guarantees.

Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get a guarantee?

On second thought, maybe I could give you some guarantees on Mac and Hill.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#322. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   21:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: angle (#319) (Edited)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Actually I never held a positive thought about the smug little faux cowboy from Andover, but SC choices were expected and I (foolishly?) based my vote entirely on that fact.

And, then of course, the Dumbocrats selected the wooden headed Algore to head their ticket. And I fear they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once more and hand the nomination to Hitlery, the only one on earth that that halfwit McC would stand a chance against.

That's why they need some help from thoughtful Republicans and Independents in these next crucial primaries.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#324. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Bush was the main reason I quit the GOP party, back in 1999. I suspect he's been a barf-inducing entity since the day after he was born.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-14   21:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#325. To: kiki (#322) (Edited)

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

In 2000 when so many people were duped by him, he almost won the election.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   22:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#326. To: angle (#325)

In 2000 when so many people were duped by him, he almost won the election.

lol! *almost* being the operative word

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   23:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#327. To: iconoclast (#290)

I guess I win the conclusion jumping contest for the night.

Perhaps if you believe that I would enjoy the rancor of a site like Freeperville where people viciously ass bite each other.

I'm just not up for that.

If this place goes in that direction then I won't take a superior tone about it, but, I won't post here anymore.

Different viewpoints do not automatically justify belittling insults to others, in my view. And, I despise that superior Freeper tone and their unfortunate habit of trying to convert people through humiliation.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   1:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: iconoclast (#321)

Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get a guarantee?

You said this ??? How about "Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get the truth ?

noone222  posted on  2008-02-15   2:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: Dakmar (#312)

OKIE......you've got the 5th party ticket. Whatcha wanna call yer party, Dak....it's your choice?

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-15   2:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#330. To: noone222 (#328)

How about "Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get the truth ?

Truth takes a battering in politics, but never in history such a mauling as was given to it by the Bush administration.

Imo, Clinton and McCain carry his "legacy" forward. They epitomize "same ole, same ole".

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-15   7:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#331. To: Jethro Tull (#317)

And I sir, humbly refer to you as The Duped One,

Krauthammer has a column in today's Washington Post attacking Obama. People who fall for his kind of lies are the duped ones.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   7:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: aristeides (#331)

Krauthammer has a column in today's Washington Post attacking Obama.

HERE:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021403105.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

"...Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow..."

Krauthammer may be correct, but I thought the piece was lacking in substantiation of his opinion. And I'm no McHillabama fan.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-15   8:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#333. To: angle (#332)

The super-Zionists don't like Obama. Hence columns like Krauthammer's.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   8:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#334. To: aristeides (#333)

Obama's rallying the black vote, according to the headlines.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-15   8:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#335. To: christine (#0)

I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....

Vote for Obamba? Not a freaking chance!

If Ron Paul isn't on the ticket, I stay home. Simple as that.

Pern  posted on  2008-02-15   8:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#336. To: angle (#332)

What was done to Colin Powell will be done to Mr. Oh-Bomb-Us, it's an orderly transformation from gentleman to step-n-fetchit.

noone222  posted on  2008-02-15   9:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#337. To: angle (#332)

Krauthammer may be correct, but I thought the piece was lacking in substantiation of his opinion.

That never gives him pause.

He's not a journalist, he's an evil little Zionist propagandist.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-15   15:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Any inclination that I would have to vote Obama in November would be contingent on certain things. One, that Hillary is NOT on the ticket or anywhere near his proposed administration. Two, that IF it's looking to be a VERY close election in California where I live. I will not stand for either McHitler or Staliny as prez.

Obama otoh, might mitigate the damage done overseas and maybe even buy the country a couple more years. It's selfish, but I am not personally ready for the inevitable collapse/disruption of the country, even though in the long run it will be a good thing.

Don't look at this as any kind of decision on my part to vote for Obama. I have no illusions about him saving the country. That was Ron Paul's prescription, and maybe someone will remember it. In all likelihood I will vote 3rd party (once again), and if the 3rd parties were smart they'd unite around a strong anti-war (and preferably pro-Constitution) candidate for president. It DOESN'T have to be Ron Paul, but it should be someone.


From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.

PnbC  posted on  2008-02-15   15:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#339. To: PnbC, All (#338)

Obama otoh, might mitigate the damage done overseas and maybe even buy the country a couple more years.

i'm wondering why it is people think that if you look at who he's chosen for his advisors. hear not his words, look at his actions.

Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.

christine  posted on  2008-02-15   17:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#340. To: christine (#339)

i'm wondering why it is people think that if you look at who he's chosen for his advisors. hear not his words, look at his actions.

Obama was manufactured right in front of our eyes, and people see nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-15   19:15:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#341. To: christine (#0)

I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....

I haven't voted Democrat/Republican since 1994. I vote, when I bother to vote at all, third party. Voting third party is the only possible non-violent solution. The Democrats control the Senate with the help of third party support (Lieberman, from the Likud Party & Bernie Sanders, socialist, give the Dems the votes they need) and an America-first third party could do the same and have an immediate impact with just a few successful candidates. The problem is conservatives these days are all a bunch of pussies terrified of their own shadows so they're just not willing to take the risk of turning what's left of the country over to the liberals. Or the liberals with a D behind their names, they're quite content to give it to the R liberals. Getting back to conservative cowardice, take for example the fact that they're always yapping about ending our dependence on foreign oil (which is imo partly Jewish driven because they'd like to limit our contacts with the Arab world, and which, also imo, is foolish because it looks like oil is going to be an essential commodity far into the future so why not use everybody else's oil first), yet in spite of worrying about foreign oil many conservatives always want to drive the biggest gas guzzlers they can find because they're terrified of getting into accidents in small cars. Wusses. And for God's sake don't mention Islamofascists, that sends them into a sobbing, thumb-sucking fetal position. Gotta stop them there terrists, even if we have to elect an effing maniac like John McCain. Baloney, 9/11, even if you accept the official version, was caused as much by Bush admin. incompetence and stupidity as it was by terrorist power and organization. If the terrorists were such an organized threat they'd be using our exposed southern flank to hit us every ten days, instead of every ten years, but it's hard to get that point across to some wimp who's running around in circles and screaming at the top of his lungs.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BWS - Bush Worship Syndrome; a mental disorder that causes Iraq had WMDs and Saddam did 9/11 troofers to worship Bush no matter how much damage he does to conservatism, to the GOP, to the English language, or to the country. Rush "the doper" Limbaugh and Sean "the dope" Hannity are two examples of extreme cases.

Rich  posted on  2008-02-15   20:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: Cynicom, _______, christine, Jethro Tull, robin, rowdee, lodwick, Yertle Turtle (#340)

Obama was manufactured right in front of our eyes, and people see nothing.

And, many of the same peepul who wouldn't dream of voting for a Yale Bonesman don't understand that Obama is a product of Cook County, Ill.

Do you know what that means?

It's the US county where there is always a chronic shortage of small, brown paper bags.

It's where mobsters, the CIA and banksters meet to launder money from questionable sources, and it can either be rinsed and come up as sweet smelling suitcase cash (with a fresh Spring flower scent, ready to be passed to a US Senator, border or DEA agent) or, it can be run through the mercantile exchange and show up as soybean profits or some other windfall that is then clean enough to deposit and pay token taxes on so it can be used for multi million dollar homes, boats, planes etc., for those whose toys cost more than the average nickel dime, cash-as-you-go operator.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   21:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

Yep - well said.

As dirty as it gets up there.

Join the Ron Paul Revolution
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Lod  posted on  2008-02-15   21:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#344. To: lodwick (#343)

Thank you Sir.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   21:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: HOUNDDAWG (#344)

As we know, it's dirtier than dirt everywhere; but some places are over-the-top, Marion Barry, and worse dirty.

Stay locked & loaded safe.

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Lod  posted on  2008-02-15   21:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: lodwick (#345)

As we know, it's dirtier than dirt everywhere; but some places are over-the-top, Marion Barry, and worse dirty.

Stay locked & loaded safe.

Roger that and thank you again.

My six is covered and my powder's dry.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   21:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#347. To: Rich (#341)

I haven't voted Democrat/Republican since 1994.

you got it long before i did.

Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.

christine  posted on  2008-02-15   21:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#348. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

no wonder Obama's a (s)election.

Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.

christine  posted on  2008-02-15   21:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

Obama is a product of Cook County, Ill.

Excellent point. Some of the younger posters weren't around when Mayor Dailey paid back Joe Kennedy with some 300k last minute votes for his kid.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-15   21:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#350. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

Yeppers.......that be Mayor Daily country! That be where the dead are required to vote 2x before receiving their death certificate.

That be da place?

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-15   21:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#351. To: rowdee (#350)

RD

Cook County is where the only good democrat is one that has been dead and not voted for the past four years.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-15   22:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#352. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#342)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-15   22:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: Vitamin Z, robin, christine, lodwick (#352)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

And Winthrop Rockefeller was the Governor of Arkansas back in those days (wink wink) and his first wifes name was Eva PAUL.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-15   22:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#354. To: Cynicom (#351)

That is a story I've long heard, cyni.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-15   22:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: christine (#348)

no wonder Obama's a (s)election.

I mean really.

We know that he plays the game and that he shares secrets with the machine, so he can be controlled.

Which is why there's zero chance of him suddenly turning on our Jewish brothers and sisters if elected president.

Just as VP Spiro Agnew was reeled in for questionable deals as MD's governor, so could Barack for one of the many small brown paper bags he no doubt handled while in the Ill. Legislature. The fact that he delivered the keynote address to the 2004 Democratic National Convention tells me that he is a reliable party functionary, and in Cook County that means counting, bagging, delivering and sharing in the life-sustaining plasma of the Democratic Party in general, and Cook County in particular....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   0:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#356. To: Jethro Tull (#349)

Excellent point. Some of the younger posters weren't around when Mayor Dailey paid back Joe Kennedy with some 300k last minute votes for his kid.

Chicago was and is an amazing place for coincidence.

And the only reason that Richard Michael Daley will likely serve longer than his pappy Richard J. Daley is the same reason the Teamsters elected James P. Hoffa, the son of James Riddle "Jimmy" Hoffa-the machines and the voters support, endorse and derive benefits from organized corruption, and America in decline has reduced ethics to a mere punchline.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   1:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#357. To: rowdee (#350)

Yeppers.......that be Mayor Daily country! That be where the dead are required to vote 2x before receiving their death certificate.

That be da place?

"Vote early and vote often and death is no obstacle!"

If the truth be told those deceased voters would probably vote the way the machine wants, so the party is simply representing the interests of a different type of property owner-residents of the various area cemeteries, who it could be argued have been denied effective representation for too long!

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   1:12:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#358. To: Vitamin Z (#352)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

Perhaps it's the result of intervention by an other worldly power....

You know, like maybe an angel or sumthin! angel

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   1:16:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: Vitamin Z (#352)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

Correct. My cousin was in Clintion's second grade class. He moved to Hot Springs a little later and really grew up there.

Huck was in Hope for all if not nearly all his boyhood. Class president most of the time I knew him.

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tom007  posted on  2008-02-16   1:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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