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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#3. To: christine (#0)

Here, here. Like I have already said on a couple threads. After 3 years here at 4um, and all we know, some are still in denial.

Sad.

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   20:03:27 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Kamala, All (#3)

Two mos. ago I was arguing with some who thought RP should choose Kucinich as his fusion VP running mate. As of this minute, RP is engaged in a fierce struggle to keep his House seat and Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:15:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Where Hillary will soon be.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-02-13   20:18:35 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: MUDDOG, Jethro Tull (#13)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Where Hillary will soon be.

Only if you live in TX or OH and get off your ass and vote for Obama in the primary.

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:57:11 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: iconoclast (#41)

Only if you live in TX or OH and get off your ass and vote for Obama in the primary.

LOLOL!

I never knew ye...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:58:30 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: All (#42)

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Title: Barack Obama on Gun Control
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URL Source: http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/news/barack-obama-on-gun-control/
Published: Jan 8, 2008
Author: Syd
Post Date: 2008-01-08 21:34:52 by FormerLurker

Keywords: NWO, Gun Confiscation, 2008 Elections
Views: 337
Comments: 18

Barack Obama on Gun Control

If the Democrats have "gotten the message" on gun control, why is this guy their new "rock star"?

Senator Barak H. Obama, Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator

Position: Keep guns out of inner cities "but inner city violence is also a problem of morality:

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Position: Ban high capacity semiautomatic handguns:

While Obama suggested there may be a need for restrictions on so-called semiautomatic guns, he contends Democrats must steer clear of alienating "lawful" gun owners. "I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believer in homeowners having a firearm to protect their home and their family," Obama said. "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic Source: Radio Iowa

Positions on Gun Control:

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005 Source

"This seems to be a man [Obama] who is absolutely determined to make the world safe for criminals while making sure that law-abiding citizens have no opportunity to defend themselves "Alan Keyes. Source

Commenting on the VT massacre, Obama said:

"(Cho) had a semiautomatic weapon with a clip that allowed him to take 19 shots in a row", Obama said. "I don't know any self-respecting hunter that needs 19 rounds of anything. The only reason you have 19 rounds is potentially to do physical harm to people. You don't shoot 19 rounds at a deer. And if you do, you shouldn't be hunting Source

Uh, dude, it's not about hunting. Maybe it's about being able to defend yourself from maniacs?

Barak Obama's Voting Record on Gun Control
This page on Gunlaw News includes quotes, voting record and more links to additional resources.

In another place:

Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.

Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.

Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law. Source

Barak Obama served on the board of the notoriously anti-civil right Joyce Foundation. Source. The Joyce Foundation is the funding source for astroturf anti-gun organizations such at The Gun Guys and The Freedom States Alliance.

On the Washington D.C. handgun ban, Obama said that he:

believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional. Source

Mr. Obama says he's, in it to transform the country No thanks, Barak. Think I'll pass. Your kind of changes I can live without.

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:01:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All (#43)

Position: Ban high capacity semiautomatic handguns:

While Obama suggested there may be a need for restrictions on so-called semiautomatic guns, he contends Democrats must steer clear of alienating "lawful" gun owners. "I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believer in homeowners having a firearm to protect their home and their family," Obama said. "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic Source: Radio Iowa

The silver tongued racist can come personally for my 30-round clips...if he'd like.

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:03:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FOH (#45)

"I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms

I'm neither. I just like guns. Come and get them Ooooooooooooooooooooobama.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:10:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#52)

I'm a hunter that's appealing for an Open Season on quislings...

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