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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#63. To: robin (#59)

A vote for Rutherford B. Hayes was a vote for peace and tranquility, and it was.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: iconoclast (#58)

And you sir are truly an artist at the keyboard and a master of the short, angry, and unedifying comment.

Sadly, I and mine will get what morons like you and yours deserve.

How did that one rate?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: iconoclast (#58)

iconoclast, you have to admit it's ironic that your #58 is a short, angry, and unedifying comment :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: robin (#57)

if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war.

While I'm thinking of it, I have some ocean front property in New Mexico I'm looking to unload...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

it might matter locally? in my experience most people go and vote every four years for a president, and are surprised to find there are a lot more people and issues to vote for on their ballot that they really had given no thought to at all. maybe that's what they ought to be thinking more about.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: FOH (#60)

Unfortunately your boy Jerome is another 100 year Arab War man.

Well, nobody's perfect.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: iconoclast (#61)

Did it make a difference in 2000?

It has not made a difference in a very long time...

Back in the 1940s we had two parties, in the minds of the sheep. BOTH parties offered the candidacy to Eisenhower. Now, if we have two parties, and the sheep think they stand for different things, how come one man could run for either?

That was my first clue that they were one and the same way back then. It makes no difference who you vote for.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: christine (#0)

I am hoping that Bush just cancels the elections and stays in office. Then nobody has to vote and Bush could pardon Larry Craig.

Larry Craig was Framed!

Trace21231  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: christine (#0)

There's something to be said for voting for the biggest, baddest weed.

It might strangle all the other weeds, leaving just one problem to deal with.

It was literally impossible for those with soft-cyber chips in their head to imagine evil of the Korozhet.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: kiki (#67)

it might matter locally?

Candidates for presidency are arranged from the top down. Paul for an example from the bottom up.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

Gee, McInsane sure had us all faked out last summer.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: FOH (#66)

I think kiki expressed the dilemma very well.

Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: iconoclast (#68)

Unfortunately your boy Jerome is another 100 year Arab War man.

Well, nobody's perfect.

No, he's the only one that said all along if there really is a terror problem Iran and Pakistan are bigger concerns than Afghanistan and Iraq which are diversions.

Unfortunately, you've been deceived not once, but twice...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

They could make a mistake. I've noticed that aren't that competent.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Cynicom (#63)

a vote for peace and tranquility,

that sounds wonderful

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: robin (#74)

Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?

Any one of the 3 will give you the exact same thing.

Hussein Obama will be given the reason for war and he'll do his lord's will.

They're all going to give you Amnesty and the North American Union.

Why support ANY of them? Just to be cool? I don't get it. There is no 'lesser evil' at this point.

They're all pure wickedness. Why don't you people see this (I might not want to know the answer, it's occurred to me)?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Tauzero (#71)

There's something to be said for voting for the biggest, baddest weed.

It might strangle all the other weeds, leaving just one problem to deal with.

We tried that.

Now we've got problems in every direction.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FOH (#78)

Why support ANY of them? Just to be cool? I don't get it. There is no 'lesser evil' at this point.

I do see a lesser evil. I could be wrong, but from what I've researched and read I believe he would cause the least amount of harm.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Cynicom (#72)

it might matter locally? Candidates for presidency are arranged from the top down. Paul for an example from the bottom up.

I meant worry more about who's running your city and less about who's running the country, as it's liable to impact your life more, and your vote probably has litle impact on the national scene anyway.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: FOH, robin (#78)

Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?

Any one of the 3 will give you the exact same thing.

Why are we having this discussion?

WAKE UP EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   22:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

oh, excellent, but the vote for one of their preselected simply reinforces a belief in the fraudulent system and that we-the-people want more of the same.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: robin (#77)

Remember the "peace dividend" under Clinton and the ensuing 8 years of madness?? The politicans ALWAYS manage to screw it up.....

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   22:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: robin (#80)

I do see a lesser evil. I could be wrong, but from what I've researched and read I believe he would cause the least amount of harm.

You're wrong.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#0)

For those in the Constitution State: If your hero isn't on the ballot, your write-in vote will be counted, but it will _NOT_ be considered valid; ie, you didn't vote for that position. Take it up with that stupid bitch Susan Bysiewicz. I do mean stupid. Or, perhaps not so stupid, but corrupt.

I sent several emails regarding the first electronic voting machine choice and received back a totally erroneous reply relating the Fed approval of the contractor when the Fed agency had no members.

More on this crap available at www.BlackboxVoting.org

Zig for great Justice

rack42  posted on  2008-02-13   22:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: kiki (#81)

I meant worry more about who's running your city and less about who's running the country, as it's liable to impact your life more, and your vote probably has litle impact on the national scene anyway

I vote local and state but Federal is a different story.

Local and state there is a modicum of accountability, once you go to Swampville, there is NO recourse.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: FOH (#78)

Hussein Obama will be given the reason for war and he'll do his lord's will.

so you advocate voting based on middle names? I really am not an obama supporter, but the more forwarded emails I get judging him by his middle name, the more I wonder about people.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: christine (#83)

oh, excellent, but the vote for one of their preselected simply reinforces a belief in the fraudulent system and that we-the-people want more of the same.

Indeed...

My point was and is that it makes NO difference who you vote for president. Withholding is a different story. I posted here somewhere tonite about there are many Americans that routinely do NOT vote for president, I added they were smarter than me.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: christine (#83)

oh, excellent, but the vote for one of their preselected simply reinforces a belief in the fraudulent system and that we-the-people want more of the same.

Exactly! Are we the people really this stupid? (don't answer that)

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

Refrigerate, covered, for 36 - 48 hours, turning the meat occasionally.

48 hours?! 'dis bitch ain't gonna keep no 48 hours. I ain't no cracker cannibal. Crazy crackers and der recipes.

It was literally impossible for those with soft-cyber chips in their head to imagine evil of the Korozhet.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: TwentyTwelve (#82) (Edited)

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Trace21231 (#70)

trace, trace..

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FOH (#78)

Senor, el NAU viene a América si usted lo quiere o no. Comprendo??

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: kiki (#88)

I advocate not EVER voting for CFR-Trilateralist-Bilderberg candidates.

Don't you?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Jethro Tull (#94)

You write French well.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Cynicom (#96)

Freedom Fries for everybody!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Jethro Tull (#94)

La unión norteamericana traerá la guerra y todos patriotas deben levantarse para matar a los traidores entre nosotros.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Cynicom, christine (#89)

here's what I'd like to hear on cnn in november....a record number of people voted today but NOBODY voted for president or congress, only for local candidates.

the downside is that somebody, somewhere, would interpret that as a mandate for something very very bad.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: christine (#36)

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

Obama is lying. But hey, isn't that kind of a prereq to becoming prez?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   22:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: kiki, christine (#99)

Here is what I posted earlier.

" Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Past time.

There are many Americans that have NOT voted for president for some time.

If one ever browses statistics the information is always there to see. For instance it is consistent, election after election, particularly in smaller areas, that perhaps 1000 people voted, yet only 980 voted for president.

I have always felt that these were silent Americans that were smarter than me, they had enough and this was their silent protest."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: All (#99)

je ne comprende pas

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Vitamin Z (#100)

We will NEVER leave the Middle East.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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