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Title: I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....
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Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Christine
Post Date: 2008-02-13 19:56:40 by christine
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By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?

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#1. To: christine (#0)

You mean there are a$$holes carousing the forum? :p

Rebates for Ron Paul

Critter  posted on  2008-02-13   19:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: Robin, *Obama 2008* (#0)

(((PING>>>

{{{chuckle}}}

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-13   20:01:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: christine (#0)

Here, here. Like I have already said on a couple threads. After 3 years here at 4um, and all we know, some are still in denial.

Sad.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   20:03:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Brian S (#2)

Good god, who in their right mind would want to be on that ping list.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   20:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: christine (#0)

Heh. If not Dr. Paul, then....who is running on the LP ticket? I'll be yet another of the 400 voters from my state who throw to the LP.

America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.

mirage  posted on  2008-02-13   20:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Brian S, Critter (#2)

LOL

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   20:10:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: christine (#0)

Unfortunately, it appears I will be writing in the name of my choice for President,the same as last time.

Even though Obama appears to be the lesser of three evils, I cannot vote for anyone that wants to socialize health care. Imagine the same people you see running the drivers license office and the IRS running the health care system.

honway  posted on  2008-02-13   20:11:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Kamala (#4)

Only the brave that care not to goose-step with the conventional 'forum wisdom' I would guess.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-13   20:13:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: christine (#0)

Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Past time.

There are many Americans that have NOT voted for president for some time.

If one ever browses statistics the information is always there to see. For instance it is consistent, election after election, particularly in smaller areas, that perhaps 1000 people voted, yet only 980 voted for president.

I have always felt that these were silent Americans that were smarter than me, they had enough and this was their silent protest.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   20:13:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Kamala, All (#3)

Two mos. ago I was arguing with some who thought RP should choose Kucinich as his fusion VP running mate. As of this minute, RP is engaged in a fierce struggle to keep his House seat and Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:15:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: christine (#0)

I, for one, will not vote for ANY establishment clown. Not this election, not any in the past 30 years or so and no intention of ever voting for them. By their fruits you shall know them and I am amazed that so many people have been duped by these frauds and charlatans.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-13   20:16:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

hahahahahahaha

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   20:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Where Hillary will soon be.


I've already said too much.

MUDDOG  posted on  2008-02-13   20:18:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

You are right. Every "election" there are fewer and fewer to "vote" for.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   20:18:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: christine (#0)

It ain't me.....still voting 4 Ron Paul March on the March 4 Texas primary

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   20:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: MUDDOG (#13)

I think you're right. I do want to see the wildebeest cry a few more times, tho. And yes, that MSNBC talking head was right; Chelsea Clinton is still ugly and she is being used as a political pimp.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:21:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: christine (#0)

I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....

SAY WHAT?! What surprise?! Christine, how many years have you watched people justify the choice of the lessor of two evils?! I have heard it put exactly like that!! BY PEOPLE ON THEIR WAY TO VOTE!!!!!!!!! What is the surprise?

Please fill me in, cause I don get it........

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-13   20:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#16)

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   20:24:29 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#10)

As of this minute, RP is engaged in a fierce struggle to keep his House seat

Curt Weldon challenged the establishment and he lost his seat.The RP message is a threat. The establishment will kill it if they can. Making RP a private citizen would send a message to everyone else in public office.

honway  posted on  2008-02-13   20:25:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: christine (#12)

It's called "white guilt" ...white guilt refers to a controversial concept of individual or collective guilt often said to be felt by some white people for the treatment of people of color by whites both historically and presently...white South Africans are the poster children of this concept....years of being called racists they like Americans of today will cave in thinking that by supporting a black man it will cleanse them of this sterotype

robnoel  posted on  2008-02-13   20:26:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: James Deffenbach (#11)

I, for one, will not vote for ANY establishment clown.

You Sir, are a gentleman, a scholar and a man that knows corrupt politics.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   20:26:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: X-15 (#18)

That culturally diverse dude in the lower picture? His real name is LeVon Debois and he lives in Harlem. I arrested him for burglary in '76. Dopey liberals....

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:27:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: honway (#19)

I know, I like RP and love his message. I simply have no hope regarding this country, so please pardon my cynicism.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:29:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Jethro...

I did not think your joke was that funny.

Would you drink milk from a carton with that beasts picture???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   20:30:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: X-15 (#18)

"Dat white girl be ugly, but dem fat arms be good eatin'!"

If you do not know who you are, you are maimed.- Jimmy Cantrell

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-02-13   20:32:47 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: Cynicom (#24)

The Mrs bought it and my days of the true Breakfast of Champions is long over, so it's going on my Maypo.

(Are you sure you aren't a Mennonite?)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:33:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: YertleTurtle (#25)

"Dat white girl be ugly, but dem fat arms be good eatin'!"


Marinated Leg of Person

1 leg, about 3 kilos
6 cups dry cider
1 kilo carrots, sliced thinly
8 medium onions, sliced thinly
16 juniper berries
8 leaves sage, chopped
1/2 cup butter
2 whole nutmegs, grated
salt and pepper to taste

Combine half each of the cider, nutmeg and sage with 2 of the onions, the juniper berries and salt and pepper to taste. Cut the leg into slices about 1 cm. thick and over these pour the marinade. Refrigerate, covered, for 36 - 48 hours, turning the meat occasionally.

Remove the meat from the marinade and dry with toweling. Strain the marinade and to this add the remaining cider.

In a large flameproof casserole melt the butter and, over a high flame, brown the meat slices on both sides. Remove the slices, lower the flame and add the remaining onions and the carrots, cooking until the onions are softened. Pour in the marinade and bring to a boil. Add the remaining seasonings, replace the venison, cover and place in a medium oven for 1 1/2 hours. Serve hot directly from the casserole. Serves 6 - 8.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   20:37:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: YertleTurtle (#25)

HA!!!! LOL!!!! This very well may be your best post in about 2 years.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-13   20:39:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Brian S, christine (#2)

*Obama 2008*

That is waaayyyy too funny!

I will qualify my comments about Obama, and that is, if it's not Ron Paul, the USA is screwed no matter who gets the oval office.

Ergo, IF the USA is screwed no matter what, there is some moral justification for favoring the candidate who will most likely get us out of Iraq and stop the killing abroad. While we can talk about what we deserve, the USA as a country the USA owes Iraq enormously. Sticking to principles at the expense of Iraqi lives seems to me dubious moral ground.

In terms of what's best for the USA, writing in Ron Paul, if need be, is the best thing to do.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   20:40:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Holy Crap! I didn't have the background that picture, I figured it was Boozing Chelsea getting schmarmy with some Nigerian at a U.N function.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   20:44:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Tell the rabble to be quiet we anticipate a riot
This common crowd is much too loud
Tell the mob who sing your song that they are fools and they are wrong
They are a curse, they should disperse

LOL!!!

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-13   20:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: christine (#0)

Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Amen sister.


My spelling is Wobbly. It's good spelling but it Wobbles,
and the letters get in the wrong places.
-- Winnie the Pooh

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-13   21:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: honway (#19)

Making RP a private citizen would send a message to everyone else in public office.

Losing his seat in the primary would also free him up for a 3rd party run.

"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5

orangedog  posted on  2008-02-13   21:26:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: honway (#7)

Imagine the same people you see running the drivers license office and the IRS running the health care system.

Yes, it's MUCH better to have private, for profit insurance companies who take your money for years and years, then deny you coverage for any reason they can come up in charge of our health care system. MUCH better. Really.

By the way, I had to get my truck smogged, and new tags and plates for it as well. I took care of this yesterday. The smog check took maybe ten minutes from the time I pulled in to the time I left, and the tags and plates took even less time.

You know, maybe, just maybe it IS possible for government to do some things right. But no, really, I think it's MUCH better to have people who have every motivation to deny coverage and therefore pocket more profits in charge of health care. Oh, and also to give them the right to veto any treatment my doctor may want to provide. Yes, much MUCH better. Really.

Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise.

Elliott Jackalope  posted on  2008-02-13   21:35:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: christine (#0)

Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Damn straight!

That's why I'm saying NO to the odious Clintons and NO MORE to the traitorous Plutocrat/War Party with one very easy vote.

Bada bing, bada boom.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:41:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Pinguinite (#29)

Ergo, IF the USA is screwed no matter what, there is some moral justification for favoring the candidate who will most likely get us out of Iraq and stop the killing abroad.

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   21:46:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Pinguinite (#29)

In terms of what's best for the USA, writing in Ron Paul, if need be, is the best thing to do.

I hope your non-vote brings you much comfort and solace through the four to eight miserable years of Hitlery or Mclame.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:47:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: christine (#36)

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

Arkanside has proven to always be fatal.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   21:50:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: christine, ALL (#36)

A protest vote against the One World Monopolists for a One World Monopolist is by definition insanity...the reason the choice is McHillobama is because the OWM wars must continue until America is gone/of no use to the elites anymore.

How someone could go from supporting Ron Paul to supporting an establishment candidate defies words. It's only more proof that there aren't that many left here worth fighting for, imo. And yet we kept working...

It's time for me to go back into the field now for a long stretch of waking people up that dare to walk in the truth.

Hope to see you all in New Orleans for the north american summit this April. I'm not holding my breath for those who would so cavalierly hop onto a One World Monopolist's bandwagon.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:54:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Elliott Jackalope (#34)

A vote for Nanny State Big Government...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:55:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: MUDDOG, Jethro Tull (#13)

Kucinich's picture is on my milk container.

Where Hillary will soon be.

Only if you live in TX or OH and get off your ass and vote for Obama in the primary.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   21:57:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: iconoclast (#41)

Only if you live in TX or OH and get off your ass and vote for Obama in the primary.

LOLOL!

I never knew ye...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   21:58:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: All (#42)

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Title: Barack Obama on Gun Control
Source:

Front Sight, Press
URL Source: http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/news/barack-obama-on-gun-control/
Published: Jan 8, 2008
Author: Syd
Post Date: 2008-01-08 21:34:52 by FormerLurker

Keywords: NWO, Gun Confiscation, 2008 Elections
Views: 337
Comments: 18

Barack Obama on Gun Control

If the Democrats have "gotten the message" on gun control, why is this guy their new "rock star"?

Senator Barak H. Obama, Democratic Jr Senator (IL); previously State Senator

Position: Keep guns out of inner cities "but inner city violence is also a problem of morality:

I believe in keeping guns out of our inner cities, and that our leaders must say so in the face of the gun manfuacturer's lobby. But I also believe that when a gangbanger shoots indiscriminately into a crowd because he feels someone disrespected him, we have a problem of morality. Not only do we need to punish that man for his crime, but we need to acknowledge that there's a hole in his heart, one that government programs alone may not be able to repair Source: The Audacity of Hope, by Barack Obama, p.215 Oct 1, 2006

Position: Ban high capacity semiautomatic handguns:

While Obama suggested there may be a need for restrictions on so-called semiautomatic guns, he contends Democrats must steer clear of alienating "lawful" gun owners. "I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believer in homeowners having a firearm to protect their home and their family," Obama said. "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic Source: Radio Iowa

Positions on Gun Control:

Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers.

A bill to prohibit civil liability actions from being brought or continued against manufacturers, distributors, dealers, or importers of firearms or ammunition for damages, injunctive or other relief resulting from the misuse of their products by others. Voting YES would:

Reference: Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act; Bill S 397 ; vote number 2005-219 on Jul 29, 2005 Source

"This seems to be a man [Obama] who is absolutely determined to make the world safe for criminals while making sure that law-abiding citizens have no opportunity to defend themselves "Alan Keyes. Source

Commenting on the VT massacre, Obama said:

"(Cho) had a semiautomatic weapon with a clip that allowed him to take 19 shots in a row", Obama said. "I don't know any self-respecting hunter that needs 19 rounds of anything. The only reason you have 19 rounds is potentially to do physical harm to people. You don't shoot 19 rounds at a deer. And if you do, you shouldn't be hunting Source

Uh, dude, it's not about hunting. Maybe it's about being able to defend yourself from maniacs?

Barak Obama's Voting Record on Gun Control
This page on Gunlaw News includes quotes, voting record and more links to additional resources.

In another place:

Obama regularly supported gun-control measures, including a ban on semiautomatic "assault weapons" and a limit on handgun purchases to one a month.

He also opposed letting people use a self-defense argument if charged with violating local handgun bans by using weapons in their homes. The bill was a reaction to a Chicago-area man who, after shooting an intruder, was charged with a handgun violation.

Supporters framed the issue as a fundamental question of whether homeowners have the right to protect themselves.

Obama joined several Chicago Democrats who argued the measure could open loopholes letting gun owners use their weapons on the street. They said local governments should have the final say, but the self-defense exception passed 41-16 and ultimately became state law. Source

Barak Obama served on the board of the notoriously anti-civil right Joyce Foundation. Source. The Joyce Foundation is the funding source for astroturf anti-gun organizations such at The Gun Guys and The Freedom States Alliance.

On the Washington D.C. handgun ban, Obama said that he:

believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional. Source

Mr. Obama says he's, in it to transform the country No thanks, Barak. Think I'll pass. Your kind of changes I can live without.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:01:23 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: christine (#0)

christine....I think it's not so much a sell-out as the age old dilemma of voting one's conscience vs voting AGAINST rather than for. I like ron paul, mostly for his anti-war views, but as I have stated here many times, I'm a bleeding heart liberal and my candidate was dennis kucinich. that presented a struggle for me - vote for him, knowing he couldn't win, or vote against someone else. just about the time I decided to vote my conscience he dropped out. so much for my conscience.

I want someone to get us out of this stupid and morally wrong war, and all the evil trappings, like torture and the gutting of our rights, that accompany it. I think I am in agreement with most, if not all, here about that. where we digress is that I believe more in social programs than I think many here do. I do a lot of volunteer work and I just can't deny the need. I wish programs to help the poor weren't necessary, but I believe strongly that they are. I hate paying taxes but if I didn't, I would probably pay as much or more to help the needy. do I think government is the best entity to do this? not really, but it's probably the only one with the clout to make it happen. do I think it's efficient? no. I just don't see the alternative.

anyway, I enjoy posting and reading here. I generally run in ultra-liberal circles in *real life* and I love seeing other viewpoints and opening my mind to other opinions, and finding common ground, which I often do.

my original point (I really did have one!) is that if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war. I'm not advocating for obama here. I think he's an awesome speaker but I haven't seen much substance beyond that. he's not my candidate. but he's likely to get my vote if it's against mccain, who I really don't much care for. so that was my point. saying no and no more could feel personally good, but cause unwanted repercussions. sometimes you have to vote AGAINST, not for.

I read recently somewhere (here maybe?) that this whole national election circus is designed to distract people from the elections that really will impact their lives, local elections. those are probably what we all should focus on while the dog and pony show plays out. my 2 cents :)

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:03:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: All (#43)

Position: Ban high capacity semiautomatic handguns:

While Obama suggested there may be a need for restrictions on so-called semiautomatic guns, he contends Democrats must steer clear of alienating "lawful" gun owners. "I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms. I'm a believer in homeowners having a firearm to protect their home and their family," Obama said. "It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic Source: Radio Iowa

The silver tongued racist can come personally for my 30-round clips...if he'd like.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:03:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: kiki (#44)

My Lord, you folks are so easily deceived by the OWMs.

America is over...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:05:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: iconoclast (#37)

I hope your non-vote brings you much comfort and solace through the four to eight miserable years of Hitlery or Mclame.

I thought of voting for Obama until I heard his foreign policy advisor is Zbignew Brzezinski. When he was Jimmy Carter's NSA advisor, he convinced President Peanut Head to give aid to AFghan rebels PRIOR TO THE 1979 SOVIET INVASION precisely so the Soviets would invade and get bogged down in the occupation of a Muslim country. Zbig set America and the Mideast on the path to hell.

I am a lifelong Republican and voted for Ron Paul in the primary. I voted for Ralph NAder. I have never voted for either Bush father or son because I refuse to vote for anyone from the Bilderberg Society, the CFR or the Trilateral Commission. Zbig was a member of the latter as was George H.W. Bush.

The Truth of 911 Shall Set You Free From The Lie

Horse  posted on  2008-02-13   22:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: FOH (#46)

My Lord, you folks are so easily deceived by the OWMs.

the office of wastewater management?

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: kiki (#48)

Other Women's Men

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:09:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: FOH (#46)

America is over...

I seriously doubt it ... but in the unlikely event that it is I hope you'll know who to blame.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:10:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: kiki (#48)

One

World

Monopolists

The 3 front runners; Hitlery, Hussein Obama and Juan McNorthAmericanUnion are all on the same page.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:10:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#52. To: FOH (#45)

"I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms

I'm neither. I just like guns. Come and get them Ooooooooooooooooooooobama.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:10:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: iconoclast (#50)

I seriously doubt it ... but in the unlikely event that it is I hope you'll know who to blame.

I seriously believe you're a fraud from the word go.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:11:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: Jethro Tull (#52)

I'm a hunter that's appealing for an Open Season on quislings...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#55. To: iconoclast (#50)

I seriously doubt it ... but in the unlikely event that it is I hope you'll know who to blame.

me??? apologies to all

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#56. To: kiki (#44)

what we all should focus on while the dog and pony show plays out. my 2 cents :)

Your two cents was well written and without malice for anyone, I appreciate that.

Forgetting that who is good, better or best, is needed in an effort to clear ones mind.

Assign them letters and accept that they stand for nothing. All being on an equal footing, how would you vote? Does'nt it stand to reason that it makes no difference?

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:14:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#57. To: kiki (#44)

if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war.

and that's it in a nutshell

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
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robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:14:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#58. To: FOH (#53)

I seriously believe you're a fraud from the word go.

And you sir are truly an artist at the keyboard and a master of the short, angry, and unedifying comment.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:16:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#59. To: Brian S (#2)

Not wanting McCain or Hillary has a lot of posters here upset.

Republicans Root for Obama

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:19:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#60. To: iconoclast (#50)

North American Union Already Starting to Replace USA

Jerome R. Corsi

In March 2005 at their summit meeting in Waco, Tex., President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin issued a joint statement announced the creation of the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” (SPP). The creation of this new agreement was never submitted to Congress for debate and decision. Instead, the U.S. Department of Commerce merely created a new division under the same title to implement working groups to advance a North American Union working agenda in a wide range of areas, including: manufactured goods, movement of goods, energy, environment, e-commerce, financial services, business facilitation, food and agriculture, transportation, and health.

SPP is headed by three top cabinet level officers of each country. Representing the United States are Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Representing Mexico are Secretario de Economía Fernando Canales, Secretario de Gobernación Carlos Abascal, and Secretario de Relaciones Exteriores, Luis Ernesto Derbéz. Representing Canada are Minister of Industry David L. Emerson, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety, Anne McLellan, and Minister of Foreign Affairs Pierre Stewart Pettigrew.

Reporting in June 2005 to the heads of state of the three countries, the trilateral SPP emphasized the extensive working group structure that had been established to pursue an ambitious agenda:

In carrying out your instructions, we established working groups under both agendas of the Partnership – Security and Prosperity. We held roundtables with stakeholders, meetings with business groups and briefing sessions with Legislatures, as well as with other relevant political jurisdictions. The result is a detailed series of actions and recommendations designed to increase the competitiveness of North America and the security of our people.

In March 2005 at their summit meeting in Waco, Tex., President Bush, President Fox and Prime Minister Martin issued a joint statement announced the creation of the “Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America” (SPP). The creation of this new agreement was never submitted to Congress for debate and decision. Instead, the U.S. Department of Commerce merely created a new division under the same title to implement working groups to advance a North American Union working agenda in a wide range of areas, including: manufactured goods, movement of goods, energy, environment, e-commerce, financial services, business facilitation, food and agriculture, transportation, and health.

SPP is headed by three top cabinet level officers of each country. Representing the United States are Secretary of Commerce Carlos Gutierrez, Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff, and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Representing Mexico are Secretario de Economía Fernando Canales, Secretario de Gobernación Carlos Abascal, and Secretario de Relaciones Exteriores, Luis Ernesto Derbéz. Representing Canada are Minister of Industry David L. Emerson, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister of Public Safety, Anne McLellan, and Minister of Foreign Affairs Pierre Stewart Pettigrew.

Reporting in June 2005 to the heads of state of the three countries, the trilateral SPP emphasized the extensive working group structure that had been established to pursue an ambitious agenda:

In carrying out your instructions, we established working groups under both agendas of the Partnership – Security and Prosperity. We held roundtables with stakeholders, meetings with business groups and briefing sessions with Legislatures, as well as with other relevant political jurisdictions. The result is a detailed series of actions and recommendations designed to increase the competitiveness of North America and the security of our people.

This is not a theoretical exercise being prepared so it can be submitted for review. Instead, SPP is producing an action agreement to be implemented directly by regulations, without any envisioned direct Congressional oversight.

Upon your review and approval, we will once again meet with stakeholders and work with them to implement the workplans that we have developed.

And again, the June 2005 SPP report stresses:

The success of our efforts will be defined less by the contents of the work plans than by the actual implementation of initiatives and strategies that will make North America more prosperous and more secure.

Reviewing the specific working agenda initiatives, the goal to implement directly is apparent. Nearly every work plan is characterized by action steps described variously as “our three countries signed a Framework of Common Principles …” or “we have signed a Memorandum of Understanding …,” or “we have signed a declaration of intent …” etc. Once again, none of the 30 or so working agendas makes any mention of submitting decisions to the U.S. Congress for review and approval. No new U.S. laws are contemplated for the Bush administration to submit to Congress. Instead, the plan is obviously to knit together the North American Union completely under the radar, through a process of regulations and directives issued by various U.S. government agencies.

What we have here is an executive branch plan being implemented by the Bush administration to construct a new super-regional structure completely by fiat. Yet, we can find no single speech in which President Bush has ever openly expressed to the American people his intention to create a North American Union by evolving NAFTA into this NAFTA-Plus as a first, implementing step.

Anyone who has wondered why President Bush has not bothered to secure our borders is advised to spend some time examining the SPP working groups’ agenda. In every area of activity, the SPP agenda stresses free and open movement of people, trade, and capital within the North American Union. Once the SPP agenda is implemented with appropriate departmental regulations, there will be no area of immigration policy, trade rules, environmental regulations, capital flows, public health, plus dozens of other key policy areas countries that the U.S. government will be able to decide alone, or without first consulting with some appropriate North American Union regulatory body. At best, our border with Mexico will become a speed bump, largely erased, with little remaining to restrict the essentially free movement of people, trade, and capital.

Canada has established an SPP working group within their Foreign Affairs department. Mexico has placed the SPP within the office of the Secretaria de Economia and created and extensive website for the Alianza Para La Securidad y La Prosperidad de Améica del Norte (ASPAN). On this Mexican website, ASPAN is described as “a permanent, tri-lateral process to create a major integration of North America.”

The extensive working group activity being implemented right now by the government of Mexico, Canada, and the United States is consistent with the blueprint laid out in the May 2005 report of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR), titled “Building a North American Community.”

The Task Force’s central recommendation is the establishment by 2010 of a North American economic and security community, the boundaries of which would be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter. (page xvii)

The only borders or tariffs which would remain would be those around the continent, not those between the countries within:

Its (the North American Community’s) boundaries will be defined by a common external tariff and an outer security perimeter within which the movement of people, products, and capital will be legal, orderly, and safe. Its goal will be to guarantee a free, secure, just, and prosperous North America. (page 3)

What will happen to the sovereignty of the United States? The model is the European Community. While the United States would supposedly remain as a country, many of our nation-state prerogatives would ultimately be superseded by the authority of a North American court and parliamentary body, just as the U.S. dollar would have to be surrendered for the “Amero,” the envisioned surviving currency of the North American Union. The CFR report left no doubt that the North American Union was intended to evolve through a series of regulatory decisions:

While each country must retain its right to impose and maintain unique regulations consonant with its national priorities and income level, the three countries should make a concerted effort to encourage regulatory convergence.

The three leaders highlighted the importance of addressing this issue at their March 2005 summit in Texas. The Security and Prosperity Partnership for North America they signed recognizes the need for a stronger focus on building the economic strength of the continent in addition to ensuring its security. To this end, it emphasizes regulatory issues. Officials in all three countries have formed a series of working groups under designated lead cabinet ministers. These working groups have been ordered to produce an action plan for approval by the leaders within ninety days, by late June 2005, and to report regularly thereafter. (pages 23-24)

Again, the CFR report says nothing about reporting to Congress or to the American people. What we have underway here with the SPP could arguably be termed a bureaucratic coup d’etat. If that is not the intent, then President Bush should rein in the bureaucracy until the American people have been fully informed of the true nature of our government’s desire to create a North American Union. Otherwise, the North American Union will become a reality in 2010 as planned. Right now, the only check or balance being exercised is arguably Congressional oversight of the executive bureaucracy, even though Congress itself might not fully appreciate what is happening.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:19:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#61. To: Cynicom (#56)

Does'nt it stand to reason that it makes no difference?

Did it make a difference in 2000?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:20:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#62. To: robin (#59)

Not wanting McCain or Hillary has a lot of posters here upset.

How can you all be this naive?

Hillary, McCain or Obama are ALL THE SAME!

Support ANY of them and you're supporting the establishment's next America-wrecker...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:21:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#63. To: robin (#59)

A vote for Rutherford B. Hayes was a vote for peace and tranquility, and it was.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:21:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#64. To: iconoclast (#58)

And you sir are truly an artist at the keyboard and a master of the short, angry, and unedifying comment.

Sadly, I and mine will get what morons like you and yours deserve.

How did that one rate?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:22:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#65. To: iconoclast (#58)

iconoclast, you have to admit it's ironic that your #58 is a short, angry, and unedifying comment :)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:22:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#66. To: robin (#57)

if obama is the candidate against mccain, a vote for obama could be a vote *against* 100 years in iraq and a new war in iran. a vote for a third party candidate (I personally like cynthia mckinney) could be a vote that helps mccain, and promotes war.

While I'm thinking of it, I have some ocean front property in New Mexico I'm looking to unload...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:23:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#67. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

it might matter locally? in my experience most people go and vote every four years for a president, and are surprised to find there are a lot more people and issues to vote for on their ballot that they really had given no thought to at all. maybe that's what they ought to be thinking more about.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:24:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#68. To: FOH (#60)

Unfortunately your boy Jerome is another 100 year Arab War man.

Well, nobody's perfect.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#69. To: iconoclast (#61)

Did it make a difference in 2000?

It has not made a difference in a very long time...

Back in the 1940s we had two parties, in the minds of the sheep. BOTH parties offered the candidacy to Eisenhower. Now, if we have two parties, and the sheep think they stand for different things, how come one man could run for either?

That was my first clue that they were one and the same way back then. It makes no difference who you vote for.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#70. To: christine (#0)

I am hoping that Bush just cancels the elections and stays in office. Then nobody has to vote and Bush could pardon Larry Craig.

Larry Craig was Framed!

Trace21231  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#71. To: christine (#0)

There's something to be said for voting for the biggest, baddest weed.

It might strangle all the other weeds, leaving just one problem to deal with.

It was literally impossible for those with soft-cyber chips in their head to imagine evil of the Korozhet.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-13   22:25:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#72. To: kiki (#67)

it might matter locally?

Candidates for presidency are arranged from the top down. Paul for an example from the bottom up.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:26:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#73. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

Gee, McInsane sure had us all faked out last summer.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:27:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#74. To: FOH (#66)

I think kiki expressed the dilemma very well.

Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#75. To: iconoclast (#68)

Unfortunately your boy Jerome is another 100 year Arab War man.

Well, nobody's perfect.

No, he's the only one that said all along if there really is a terror problem Iran and Pakistan are bigger concerns than Afghanistan and Iraq which are diversions.

Unfortunately, you've been deceived not once, but twice...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:28:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#76. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

They could make a mistake. I've noticed that aren't that competent.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:28:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#77. To: Cynicom (#63)

a vote for peace and tranquility,

that sounds wonderful

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:29:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#78. To: robin (#74)

Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?

Any one of the 3 will give you the exact same thing.

Hussein Obama will be given the reason for war and he'll do his lord's will.

They're all going to give you Amnesty and the North American Union.

Why support ANY of them? Just to be cool? I don't get it. There is no 'lesser evil' at this point.

They're all pure wickedness. Why don't you people see this (I might not want to know the answer, it's occurred to me)?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:30:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#79. To: Tauzero (#71)

There's something to be said for voting for the biggest, baddest weed.

It might strangle all the other weeds, leaving just one problem to deal with.

We tried that.

Now we've got problems in every direction.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-13   22:30:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#80. To: FOH (#78)

Why support ANY of them? Just to be cool? I don't get it. There is no 'lesser evil' at this point.

I do see a lesser evil. I could be wrong, but from what I've researched and read I believe he would cause the least amount of harm.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-13   22:32:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#81. To: Cynicom (#72)

it might matter locally? Candidates for presidency are arranged from the top down. Paul for an example from the bottom up.

I meant worry more about who's running your city and less about who's running the country, as it's liable to impact your life more, and your vote probably has litle impact on the national scene anyway.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#82. To: FOH, robin (#78)

Do you prefer a McCain presidency then? Would it be good for your real-estate endeavors?

Any one of the 3 will give you the exact same thing.

Why are we having this discussion?

WAKE UP EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-13   22:33:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#83. To: Cynicom (#56)

Now back to the real world, realize that a relativly small number of people have preselected who the candidates will be, with that in mind, does it really matter who you vote for????

oh, excellent, but the vote for one of their preselected simply reinforces a belief in the fraudulent system and that we-the-people want more of the same.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#84. To: robin (#77)

Remember the "peace dividend" under Clinton and the ensuing 8 years of madness?? The politicans ALWAYS manage to screw it up.....

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-13   22:34:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#85. To: robin (#80)

I do see a lesser evil. I could be wrong, but from what I've researched and read I believe he would cause the least amount of harm.

You're wrong.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:34:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#86. To: christine (#0)

For those in the Constitution State: If your hero isn't on the ballot, your write-in vote will be counted, but it will _NOT_ be considered valid; ie, you didn't vote for that position. Take it up with that stupid bitch Susan Bysiewicz. I do mean stupid. Or, perhaps not so stupid, but corrupt.

I sent several emails regarding the first electronic voting machine choice and received back a totally erroneous reply relating the Fed approval of the contractor when the Fed agency had no members.

More on this crap available at www.BlackboxVoting.org

Zig for great Justice

rack42  posted on  2008-02-13   22:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#87. To: kiki (#81)

I meant worry more about who's running your city and less about who's running the country, as it's liable to impact your life more, and your vote probably has litle impact on the national scene anyway

I vote local and state but Federal is a different story.

Local and state there is a modicum of accountability, once you go to Swampville, there is NO recourse.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:35:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#88. To: FOH (#78)

Hussein Obama will be given the reason for war and he'll do his lord's will.

so you advocate voting based on middle names? I really am not an obama supporter, but the more forwarded emails I get judging him by his middle name, the more I wonder about people.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:37:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#89. To: christine (#83)

oh, excellent, but the vote for one of their preselected simply reinforces a belief in the fraudulent system and that we-the-people want more of the same.

Indeed...

My point was and is that it makes NO difference who you vote for president. Withholding is a different story. I posted here somewhere tonite about there are many Americans that routinely do NOT vote for president, I added they were smarter than me.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:38:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#90. To: christine (#83)

oh, excellent, but the vote for one of their preselected simply reinforces a belief in the fraudulent system and that we-the-people want more of the same.

Exactly! Are we the people really this stupid? (don't answer that)

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#91. To: Jethro Tull (#27)

Refrigerate, covered, for 36 - 48 hours, turning the meat occasionally.

48 hours?! 'dis bitch ain't gonna keep no 48 hours. I ain't no cracker cannibal. Crazy crackers and der recipes.

It was literally impossible for those with soft-cyber chips in their head to imagine evil of the Korozhet.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#92. To: TwentyTwelve (#82) (Edited)

Peppa  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#93. To: Trace21231 (#70)

trace, trace..

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:40:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#94. To: FOH (#78)

Senor, el NAU viene a América si usted lo quiere o no. Comprendo??

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:41:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: kiki (#88)

I advocate not EVER voting for CFR-Trilateralist-Bilderberg candidates.

Don't you?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:41:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: Jethro Tull (#94)

You write French well.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:42:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: Cynicom (#96)

Freedom Fries for everybody!!!!

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:43:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: Jethro Tull (#94)

La unión norteamericana traerá la guerra y todos patriotas deben levantarse para matar a los traidores entre nosotros.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:43:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: Cynicom, christine (#89)

here's what I'd like to hear on cnn in november....a record number of people voted today but NOBODY voted for president or congress, only for local candidates.

the downside is that somebody, somewhere, would interpret that as a mandate for something very very bad.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:44:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: christine (#36)

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

Obama is lying. But hey, isn't that kind of a prereq to becoming prez?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   22:45:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: kiki, christine (#99)

Here is what I posted earlier.

" Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Past time.

There are many Americans that have NOT voted for president for some time.

If one ever browses statistics the information is always there to see. For instance it is consistent, election after election, particularly in smaller areas, that perhaps 1000 people voted, yet only 980 voted for president.

I have always felt that these were silent Americans that were smarter than me, they had enough and this was their silent protest."

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:46:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: All (#99)

je ne comprende pas

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   22:46:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Vitamin Z (#100)

We will NEVER leave the Middle East.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:47:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: christine (#36)

do you honestly believe that a CFR candidate beholdin' to his masters is going to bring the troops home from Iraq?

The logic I laid out assumes that Obama would. If he wouldn't then were back to the single consideration of: "If it ain't Ron Paul, we're screwed".

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   22:48:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: FOH (#98)

I have four words - and one de - for you.....

Antonio Lopez de Santa Anna

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: iconoclast (#37)

I hope your non-vote brings you much comfort and solace through the four to eight miserable years of Hitlery or Mclame.

So you're votin Obama?

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   22:49:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: christine (#83)

oh, excellent, but the vote for one of their preselected simply reinforces a belief in the fraudulent system and that we-the-people want more of the same.

That's why Obama is actually worse than Hillary or McLame. Everyone knows that Hill and McLame suck, but people actually think Obama is "change" and "hope" and "different" and "fresh." Thus, if he gets in, it will sort of impliedly legitimize the status quo.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   22:50:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: Cynicom (#101)

Ron Paul could have been a major factor this year.

Which is probably why he's bowed out.

Let the OWMs hoist up their own without having a 3rd Party scapegoat to blame.

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:52:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Vitamin Z (#107)

Thus, if he gets in, it will sort of impliedly legitimize the status quo.

That is possible and plausible but not highly probable.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:52:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Cynicom (#103)

We will NEVER leave the Middle East.

I know. Obama might bring home a few hundred troops and the media will say, "Troops are home!" Throw a doggy a bone...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   22:53:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: Cynicom (#109)

To: Vitamin Z

Thus, if he gets in, it will sort of impliedly legitimize the status quo.

That is possible and plausible but not highly probable.

Which part, Obama winning or that event legitimizing the status quo?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   22:54:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: kiki, robin, iconoclast, Brian S, ALL (#102)

ok, you guys, i'll give you that i'd much rather have to hear obama's voice for 4 yrs (assuming that we still have a country that long) rather than that hillary whine.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:55:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: Vitamin Z (#110)

I know. Obama might bring home a few hundred troops and the media will say, "Troops are home!" Throw a doggy a bone...

If you have not done so, you might look around and find that this government/military is preparing for far greater things in the future. Iraq is the cover.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: christine (#112)

ok, you guys, i'll give you that i'd much rather have to hear obama's voice for 4 yrs (assuming that we still have a country that long) rather than that hillary whine.

Ha...

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:56:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: Jethro Tull (#105)

Remember Goliad!

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:56:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: Pinguinite (#104)

www.rense.com/general79/obam.htm< /a>

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:56:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: iconoclast (#79)

We tried that.

I don't think we have. Until it seriously affects basic things like food, clothing, and shelter, "bad" is kinda relative.

It was literally impossible for those with soft-cyber chips in their head to imagine evil of the Korozhet.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-13   22:56:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: FOH, cynicom, all (#115)

The East Lawn Easter Egg hunt, April, 2009

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   22:57:46 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: Jethro Tull (#118)

hahahahahahahaha....dying laughing

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:58:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Cynicom (#113)

If you have not done so, you might look around and find that this government/military is preparing for far greater things in the future. Iraq is the cover.

But of course. It's the Global War on Terra. It can't just end. It's global, so it can never end, right?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   22:58:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: christine (#112)

ok, you guys, i'll give you that i'd much rather have to hear obama's voice for 4 yrs (assuming that we still have a country that long) rather than that hillary whine.

They'll all be talking to the hand...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:58:40 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Jethro Tull (#118)

FOFLOLOL!

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:59:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: Jethro Tull, christine, kiki (#118)

Gov. Rendell said it out loud in public, his state will not vote for a black president.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   22:59:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: Jethro Tull (#118)

seriously, my stomach is hurting from laughing so hard!!!!!!

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   22:59:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Vitamin Z (#120)

But of course. It's the Global War on Terra. It can't just end. It's global, so it can never end, right?

So much "democracy" to spread, so little time to spread all of it...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   22:59:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: FOH (#122)

we have the same sense of humor!

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   23:00:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: christine (#119)

stop laffing. Thats Jethro on the left in his new dress.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:00:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: Vitamin Z (#120)

Never end but the charade of terrorism will be unmasked.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: christine, Jethro Tull (#126)

JT is a peculiarly rare whit...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:02:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: FOH (#129)

JT is a peculiarly rare whit...

Wrong.

Jethro is not quite right so please do not encourage him.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: orangedog (#33)

And you think that a third party would have a chance to ramp up from early March to have a victory in November? Roughly 8 months time....I have a bridge out here.....

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-13   23:03:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: christine, Brian S (#112)

ok, you guys, i'll give you that i'd much rather have to hear obama's voice for 4 yrs (assuming that we still have a country that long) rather than that hillary whine.

Sounds like an endorsement to me!!

Hey Brian, ping to the ol Obama 08 list!

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   23:04:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: FOH (#129)

If Jethro has been good all day, Christine throws him an extra banana.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Pinguinite (#132)

Sounds like an endorsement to me!!

Hey Brian, ping to the ol Obama 08 list!

FREEDOM4UM ENDORSES OBAMA. Time to take out a few ads!

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:07:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: Cynicom (#130)

Wrong.

Jethro is not quite right so please do not encourage him.

Don't make me come over there.

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:07:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: christine (#112)

ok, you guys, i'll give you that i'd much rather have to hear obama's voice for 4 yrs

:) interesting, because I read an article recently that said that the president's job, really, is to communicate with the public. it's gotten all weird with signing statements and executive orders and secret courts that are making the presidency a lawmaking and judicial entity, which it wasn't supposed to be. if the president's job is to give great speeches and make everyone feel good, then obama is the obvious choice. but we're not there.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   23:07:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: kiki (#136)

if the president's job is to give great speeches and make everyone feel good, then obama is the obvious choice.

Problem is, I think like 90% of the population thinks that is the president's primary job! Exhibit A: Barack Obama.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:09:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: rowdee (#131)

And you think that a third party would have a chance to ramp up from early March to have a victory in November? Roughly 8 months time....I have a bridge out here.....

You're republican through to your core...good thing for you Ron Paul is too.

Bad thing for America, though.

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:09:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: kiki (#136)

kiki...

Take some loot out of that old sock and place it on Obama to lose. Make a few bucks and cheat Uncle Sam.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:09:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#140. To: Vitamin Z (#134)

FREEDOM4UM ENDORSES OBAMA. Time to take out a few ads!

I am hitting the road at precisely the right time.

I could not take another forum going establishment on me...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:10:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#141. To: Cynicom (#139)

Take some loot out of that old sock and place it on Obama to lose

I still think he'll lose, too. There has to be a reason why Hillary hasn't sent out the full blown attack dogs yet. Waiting, waiting...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:11:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#142. To: FOH (#140)

I could not take another forum going establishment on me...

Most of them do, eventually. And the ones that don't, if they become popular enough, just get bought out anyway. 4um isn't that popular yet.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:12:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#143. To: Vitamin Z (#137)

Problem is, I think like 90% of the population thinks that is the president's primary job! Exhibit A: Barack Obama.

And it's not going to change since the RP National Campaign surrendered to November (outside of the near zero chance of a Brokered Convention) and is now focused on taking back the Gay Old Party of North American Unioners...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:12:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#144. To: FOH (#143)

Gay Old Party of North American Unioners...

LOL

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:13:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#145. To: christine (#112)

lol!

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robin  posted on  2008-02-13   23:14:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#146. To: christine, Vitamin Z (#134)

FREEDOM4UM ENDORSES OBAMA.

Can we change the name to Obama4um? Please, oh please?

Taser International & Diebold -- Goyim control is job #1

Esso  posted on  2008-02-13   23:15:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#147. To: Vitamin Z, christine (#142)

I could not take another forum going establishment on me...

Most of them do, eventually. And the ones that don't, if they become popular enough, just get bought out anyway. 4um isn't that popular yet.

Yes, I know. Jim and Sally both lied to me and sold out, but I received a double-dipped promise from Christine which is worth more than all of the gold in Ft. Knox.

Wish we could get an audit on what's there btw...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:16:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#148. To: FOH (#140)

I could not take another forum going establishment on me

NEVER NEVER NEVER...not the owner anyway. take that to the fema camp. :P

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   23:16:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#149. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

I will proudly vote for Obama in November to MAXIMIZE the humiliation and accelerate the destruction of the traitorous GOP and its criminal fake- terrorizing, rights-trampling, false-imprisoning, torturing and killing machine.

The GOP must die -- hard and with a vengence. So go, Obama, go!

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-02-13   23:16:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#150. To: Pinguinite (#132)

laughing...

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   23:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#151. To: Vitamin Z (#144)

Well? Am I wrong? LOLOL

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:17:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#152. To: Arator (#149)

Register your displeasure with the quislings by VOTING FOR ONE!

Genius!

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#153. To: Vitamin Z (#141)

. Waiting, waiting...

Gov. Rendell of Pa. said yesterday that his state will not vote for a black man and he is right.

Anyone that thinks the South will do so is kidding themselves.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:18:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#154. To: christine (#148)

NEVER NEVER NEVER...not the owner anyway. take that to the fema camp. :P

I love it when you talk that way...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:20:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#155. To: christine (#148)

fema camp

Freedom & Liberty Camp, Missy. Don't make me remind you again.

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Esso  posted on  2008-02-13   23:21:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#156. To: Cynicom (#153)

Juan v hillary! was predestined and rodham clinton knows where the bodies are buried...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:21:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#157. To: Cynicom (#153)

Cyni,

Fast Eddie really said that?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   23:21:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#158. To: Vitamin Z, kiki (#137)

Problem is, I think like 90% of the population thinks that is the president's primary job! Exhibit A: Barack Obama.

yep...have y'all seen the movie 'Man of the Year' with Robin Williams?

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   23:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#159. To: Arator (#149)

The GOP must die -- hard and with a vengence.

BTW, it's already dead.

That's why RP is trying to take it over...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-13   23:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#160. To: Arator (#149)

I will proudly vote for Obama in November to MAXIMIZE the humiliation and complete destruction of the traitorous GOP and its criminal fake-terrorizing, rights-trampling, false-imprisoning, torturing and killing machine.

Actually it sounds like Hillary's your man, Arator.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-13   23:22:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#161. To: christine (#112)

Hillary whine? Geeze, all this time I envisioned the Bitch's Bark and the crack of a whip! I think I can live with whine better than barking and whips cracking! LOL>........

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-13   23:23:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#162. To: Esso (#146)

you'll have to shoot me first.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   23:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#163. To: Jethro Tull (#157)

HARRISBURG, Pa. — Gov. Ed Rendell, one of Hillary Rodham Clinton’s most visible supporters, said some white Pennsylvanians are likely to vote against her rival Barack Obama because he is black.

“You’ve got conservative whites here, and I think there are some whites who are probably not ready to vote for an African-American candidate,” Rendell told the editorial board of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette in remarks that appeared in Tuesday’s paper.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:24:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#164. To: Cynicom (#153)

Gov. Rendell of Pa. said yesterday that his state will not vote for a black man and he is right.

Anyone that thinks the South will do so is kidding themselves.

Seems logical to me, but so far Obama is kicking Confederate- state ass and taking redneck names.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:25:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#165. To: FOH (#140)

I am hitting the road at precisely the right time.

I could not take another forum going establishment on me...

I'm sorry. honestly. I feel like I pissed you off and that was certainly not my intention. I'm hanging out in a forum where I feel like I don't agree with a lot of people, a lot of the time. I do also agree some of the time. both are good things. surrounding yourself with differing opinions makes you think, and rethink, and that's always a good thing. I hope you stay, and put your opinion forward, and work to convince people. we're all growing.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-13   23:25:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#166. To: christine (#158)

yep...have y'all seen the movie 'Man of the Year' with Robin Williams?

No, but saw the preview and it looked good.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:26:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#167. To: Pinguinite (#160) (Edited)

Actually it sounds like Hillary's your man, Arator.

Nope, Obama is taking the Clintons out. Oh happy day. Yet another reason to reward him with my vote vs. McNutter.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-02-13   23:26:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#168. To: FOH (#138) (Edited)

Me? A republocrap? Are you 'teched in the head'? I left that bunch a long time ago.

Ron Paul is the only reason I would be putting a mark by an 'r'......or a 'd', for that matter!

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-13   23:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#169. To: Cynicom (#163)

Pennsylvania: Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, with Arkansas in the middle.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   23:27:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#170. To: Vitamin Z (#164)

Seems logical to me, but so far Obama is kicking Confederate- state ass and taking redneck names.

If you study the numbers etc you will find the Obamas win numbers are somewhat skewed.

For instance big banner headlines that Obama takes DC. Fine..check the NUMBER of pub votes vs the number of dem votes, therein lies the falsehood.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:29:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#171. To: Jethro Tull (#169)

Pennsylvania: Philadelphia on one side, Pittsburgh on the other, with Arkansas in the middle.

OR: New Jersey on one side, Ohio on the other, and Arkansas in the middle...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:29:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#172. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#169)

Come on, JT. You and chrissy have got to chip in a couple of votes for Obama and help defeat Hillary in TX and PA. Best votes you'll ever cast. LOL.

Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.

Arator  posted on  2008-02-13   23:30:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#173. To: Arator (#172)

How could any Texan vote for Hillary after Waco?

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
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robin  posted on  2008-02-13   23:30:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#174. To: Cynicom (#170)

If you study the numbers etc you will find the Obamas win numbers are somewhat skewed.

For instance big banner headlines that Obama takes DC. Fine..check the NUMBER of pub votes vs the number of dem votes, therein lies the falsehood.

Something certainly does not seem right. I guess we'll find out exactly what sooner or later.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:31:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#175. To: robin (#173)

How could any Texan vote for Hillary after Waco?

Amen from the peanut gallery.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#176. To: robin (#173)

How could any Texan vote for Hillary after Waco?

Good point, but I think that is now considered "ancient history" to some people! Short attention spans and what not...

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#177. To: Vitamin Z (#171)

OR: New Jersey on one side, Ohio on the other, and Arkansas in the middle...

Better yet! I'll forward to Fast Eddie Rendel.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   23:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#178. To: Vitamin Z (#174)

2012 last nite posted the total number of votes cast by dem and pubs in DC, it was startling and as for a win for Obama, meant nothing, it was all hype.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-13   23:33:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#179. To: robin (#173)

probably most couldn't find waco on the map.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-13   23:35:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#180. To: Arator (#167)

No doubt in my mind that hillary, coming from Illinois, has the contacts there to have all the dirt, and then some, on obama==or perhaps his wife.

She is hellbent on becoming prez...........and no doubt there were some fbi files that sat missing for a while that had little nuggets of info bout the likes of mccain and/or other high profile craps.

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-13   23:37:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#181. To: Arator (#172)

I've been clean since my vote in '00 for Buchanan. It's very liberating not having a dog in the fight, but I have to say Obama will provide one last gasp of laughter for the politically incorrect like myself.

"So Let it Be Written - So Let it Be Done"

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   23:37:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#182. To: FOH (#45)

"It's hard for me to find a rationale for having a 17-clip semiautomatic

What if I leave the house and run into a gang of 17 murdering criminals?

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-13   23:42:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#183. To: Jethro Tull (#181)

but I have to say Obama will provide one last gasp of laughter for the politically incorrect like myself.

Hahaha! Hillary and/or Obama will be the apex of PC. Hopefully they name Richardson to some high level cabinet position just to complete the spectrum.

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-13   23:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#184. To: Vitamin Z (#183)

Hopefully they name Richardson to some high level cabinet position just to complete the spectrum.

Separated at birth:

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   23:48:50 ET  (2 images) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#185. To: Jethro Tull (#118)

"She had rings on her fingers and bells on her toes and a bone in her nose ho ho!"

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-13   23:51:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#186. To: christine (#179)

Since we're endorsing Obama the magic negro, how about we form a "Violence Never Solves Anything Club" and pre- emptively turn in our guns and anything sharp or pointy?

Taser International & Diebold -- Goyim control is job #1

Esso  posted on  2008-02-13   23:53:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#187. To: HOUNDDAWG (#185)

Let me tell you about Ahab the Arab
The sheik of the burning sand

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-13   23:54:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#188. To: Jethro Tull (#187)

And he loved a goil named Fatima! :)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   0:01:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#189. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

"By voting for any one of them, you support and lend legitimacy to the fraud. Isn't it time we say no and no more?"

The anarchist viewpoint tends to run to the theory of voting for the worst person running as to make the system collapse on itself faster.

I can't think that way. I am using my vote as leverage to help kill Hillary's candidacy. I am a Pacific Green, and I may return to the Democratic roles for the primary to vote against Hillary.

I just can't stomach the thought of ever being registered Republican, but if I thought it would make a difference I would register as one to help Ron Paul.

I have a small window to decide what I am going to do before the Oregon primary, but I am game to piss in the hat Hillary threw in the ring. I loathe the Clintons with passion, and want to give her a chance to actually be a senator.

Actually serving is something she never intended on. That seat is a polish the apple gambit, and I hate their hypocrisy.

I am also born and raised as a Connecticut Yankee, and I want Lieberman's political scalp on a pike as well. McCain I loathe with every fiber of my being. You don't replace an arrogant, stuck up insane chimp with the same sort of creature who differs only in that he looks like a gram-pa orangutan instead of the sort of primate Tarzan called buddy. None of these people have more then my greatest disdain. Obama has the potential of proving himself. If I am forced to make a leap of faith, he would get my support.

I empathize with your sentiments here Christine; but some people can't just do nothing. Some people just feel compelled to try to do the least worst choice of things to do in a situation like this.

And it is worse to try to stop them then to go ahead and let them do the ritual that might be self delusional, as it usually helps them keep their sanity.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-02-14   0:06:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#190. To: Esso (#186)

how about we form a "Violence Never Solves Anything Club" and pre- emptively turn in our guns and anything sharp or pointy?

We could also sell pink & yellow t-shirts and balloons that say "I'm unarmed so please don't hurt me! -- Obama for President!"

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-14   0:09:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#191. To: Esso (#186)

promise you'll shoot me first before you turn yours in. ;)

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   0:11:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#192. To: Ferret Mike (#189)

I empathize with your sentiments here Christine; but some people can't just do nothing. Some people just feel compelled to try to do the least worst choice of things to do in a situation like this.

And it is worse to try to stop them then to go ahead and let them do the ritual that might be self delusional, as it usually helps them keep their sanity.

while i disagree with the rationale, you succeeded in making me understand it better.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   0:17:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#193. To: christine, Esso (#191)

promise you'll shoot me first before you turn yours in. ;)

Before you shoot her, I'd like to have a couple of hours alone with her, if you don't mind.

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Critter  posted on  2008-02-14   0:18:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#194. To: Ferret Mike (#189)

I empathize with your sentiments here Christine; but some people can't just do nothing.

sometimes doing nothing is the right thing, but it's a very difficult thing to do if you consider yourself an activist. a contradiction, if you will. we each have to sort it out on our own terms. sadly, people with the same ultimate purpose can get all caught up in the details. I hate it when politics messes up friendships.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   0:20:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#195. To: christine (#191)

How about you & me stand back to back and shoot everybody else instead?

Taser International & Diebold -- Goyim control is job #1

Esso  posted on  2008-02-14   0:21:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#196. To: Critter (#193)

you'll prepare the body? ;P

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   0:24:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#197. To: robin, Pinguinite, *Obama 2008* (#59)

Hey Robin...the Obama 2008 'ping list' membership is up to 2...

Welcome to the list Neil.

Certainly since we are in dire straights anyway...at least we can have fun while at it.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-14   0:30:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#198. To: Esso (#195)

deal. i'll bring my RPG launcher.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   0:30:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#199. To: kiki (#194)

I understand where you are coming from, probably better then you realize.

I supported Kerry the last time around and defended him stoutly at LP. I blew the whistle on petitioner fraud in Portland, Oregon and got Nader's attempt to get on the ballot to fail.

I knew it was Republican money paying to have these homeless and often drug addicted petitioners gather names which they traded, made up, got from phone books, or from people they told the petition was to keep Nader off the ballot, not put him on it.

I felt that Kerry was the one most likely to give into arm twisting to end the war, a judgment I now see I was wrong about.

I think I have been an effective activist. But the hind sight of history doesn't always make you feel good about either you actually did the right thing or not.

It was fraud, uncovered and verified fairly. But should I of bothered pointing it out to those who had the means to do something about it?

Whatever I do this country is in serious trouble. let us say I at least know that is beyond any doubt. ;-)

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-02-14   0:32:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#200. To: FOH (#39)

How someone could go from supporting Ron Paul to supporting an establishment candidate defies words. It's only more proof that there aren't that many left here worth fighting for, imo. And yet we kept working...

Yet Ron Paul steadfastly maintains his GOP affiliation and dismisses a 3rd party run?

Ron Paul, with his decision, has demonstrated for all to see that he IS part of the 'establishment'...the GOP establishment.

He built to machine to leave the 'establishment', yet he pissed it away and is now groveling for GOP votes to retain his rep seat.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-14   0:37:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#201. To: Brian S (#200)

Quit crying. He is doing the only thing he can under the circumstances.

How can you not give the guy any credit? 11 started this race. There are 3 left, and a lot of bigger named media darlings went away a lot sooner.

Anyone that counts RP out at this point needs his head examined. To steal a quote from someone else, he is playing chess while the rest played checkers.

Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution

Critter  posted on  2008-02-14   0:47:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#202. To: christine (#198)

Happy Valentine's Day!

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Esso  posted on  2008-02-14   0:50:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#203. To: christine (#198)

This "Super Delegates" issue is beyond me. It looks like they, whoever they are will select the Dems candidate. I hear they will be people like Bill Clinton, Donna Brasile etc. If they go to that much trouble to circumvent the voting process would it not seen plauseble that they would follow through and defeat MacLame also?

"You can not save the Constitution by destroying it."

Itisa1mosttoolate  posted on  2008-02-14   1:01:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#204. To: Critter (#201)

Anyone that counts RP out at this point needs his head examined. To steal a quote from someone else, he is playing chess while the rest played checkers.

Counting him out...

Tell me how you actually think RP has a chance to become POTUS in 2009?

I really want to know.

Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!

Brian S  posted on  2008-02-14   1:06:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#205. To: HOUNDDAWG (#182) (Edited)

Well, actually the first bullet is to kill the sonofabitch, and the other 16 are just to make sure he's really dead. Leastways that is how I see it....

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-14   1:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#206. To: Brian S (#204)

Tell me how you actually think RP has a chance to become POTUS in 2009?

In a word, lots of "conservative" R's hate McCain, and he's the only one who has a mathematical chance at winning the nomination outright.

If he doesn't win outright, it could be messy. Ron Paul could be selected as everyone's compromise. Particularly if we pound the hell out of his message between now and then.

You asked...

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-14   1:36:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#207. To: Pinguinite, Brian S (#206)

Tell me how you actually think RP has a chance to become POTUS in 2009?

In a word, lots of "conservative" R's hate McCain, and he's the only one who has a mathematical chance at winning the nomination outright.

If he doesn't win outright, it could be messy. Ron Paul could be selected as everyone's compromise. Particularly if we pound the hell out of his message between now and then.

You asked...

Conservatives are looking for someone else. McCain is not their guy.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-14   1:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#208. To: Ferret Mike (#189)

At this point Mike, I wouldn't be so sure that all votes for marxist obama won't end up not being counted.

Registering a good-conscience vote for Ron Paul would more likely send the message that YOU, my FRIEND, want to send.

You'll never forgive yourself if the OWM-puppet du jour actually WINS.

Please, help Americans STOP the North American Union and say "NOT JUST NO, but HELL NO!" to EVER lending your hand to one of their victories.

That's the BEST plea I have to offer you.

FOH

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   1:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#209. To: Pinguinite, Esso (#190)

I mean SERIOUSLY, how can ANYONE of good conscience EVER support a OWM?

EVER!!

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   1:43:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#210. To: christine (#191)

promise you'll shoot me first before you turn yours in. ;)

Screw that, you can wield a weapon.

Aim to take a few with you! ;)

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   1:44:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#211. To: christine, Ferret Mike (#192)

while i disagree with the rationale, you succeeded in making me understand it better.

Hogwash.

Everyone, every AMERICAN, has had to 'nut up' and give up something to stand for freedom.

We all, as AMERICANS, better suck it up and get real RIGHT NOW or we're F-*-_-c-k-e-d!

That's a capital Eff.

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   1:46:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#212. To: Critter, christine, Esso (#193)

bass turd.

LOLOL!

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   1:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#213. To: kiki (#194)

sometimes doing nothing is the right thing, but it's a very difficult thing to do if you consider yourself an activist. a contradiction, if you will. we each have to sort it out on our own terms. sadly, people with the same ultimate purpose can get all caught up in the details. I hate it when politics messes up friendships.

I guess for me it's so simple because I clearly see how close we are to it being all over.

We're there.

They will Amnesty the permanet NAU majority within nothing flat.

EVERY single one of them are CFR-Trilat-Bilderberg-NAUers.

It's OVER.

The dollar is collapsing, COL is skyrocketing, banks are failing, cash is being printed and tossed around like holy water...there will be a crisis that brings the Official® crisis, right on time, and *poof* it's NAU time.

That's the END of our liberties, freedoms, lifestyle...our nation.

Currency dies AGAIN and we're effed. Over.

That's WHY we can't EVER support "THEM".

That's MY message and I know what I'm talking about.

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   1:52:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#214. To: TwentyTwelve (#207)

Conservatives are looking for someone else. McCain is not their guy.

I predict that a reasonable CP candidate will get 5% just by default...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   2:01:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#215. To: FOH (#213)

We, The People, are better educated and informed about current events and economic trends than the average American of 1929, thanks to the internet. That gives us the advantage of seeing the approaching financial turmoil that could equal the mess of 1929 that ushered in the socialist crap of FDR, except that our government is going to screw us even harder than FDR ever dreamed was possible.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   2:04:27 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#216. To: Brian S (#204)

Tell me how you actually think RP has a chance to become POTUS in 2009?

I really want to know.

One word, dude: SuperDuperDelegates

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-14   2:05:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#217. To: Brian S (#200)

Yet Ron Paul steadfastly maintains his GOP affiliation and dismisses a 3rd party run?

Ron Paul, with his decision, has demonstrated for all to see that he IS part of the 'establishment'...the GOP establishment.

He built to machine to leave the 'establishment', yet he pissed it away and is now groveling for GOP votes to retain his rep seat.

I would never go so far as to call Ron "establishment".

However, he did blink.

He backed down for a reason.

It's BS and that's why 'we' mourn.

The political option died when Ron Paul surrendered to November.

Why'd he effin fold???

It doesn't matter, he folded.

So, what? We can FOLD TO THEM AS WELL!?

Bull shit.

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   2:06:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#218. To: FOH (#214)

I predict that a reasonable CP candidate will get 5% just by default...

It could be much higher than 5%.

TwentyTwelve  posted on  2008-02-14   2:06:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#219. To: Critter (#201)

Quit crying. He is doing the only thing he can under the circumstances.

How can you not give the guy any credit? 11 started this race. There are 3 left, and a lot of bigger named media darlings went away a lot sooner.

Anyone that counts RP out at this point needs his head examined. To steal a quote from someone else, he is playing chess while the rest played checkers.

I wish I got *that* vibe from the Paul campaign.

"Take back the GOP" ain't going to get best or most timely effect.

It sucks.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   2:07:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#220. To: X-15 (#215)

We, The People, are better educated and informed about current events and economic trends than the average American of 1929, thanks to the internet. That gives us the advantage of seeing the approaching financial turmoil that could equal the mess of 1929 that ushered in the socialist crap of FDR, except that our government is going to screw us even harder than FDR ever dreamed was possible.

The next step for the OWM is to create a EU/Soviet style North American Union of 10% elites and 90% peasants.

You know, all hail globalism...

Our last hope for peace
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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   2:09:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#221. To: TwentyTwelve (#218)

It could be much higher than 5%.

I'm convinced that Ron starts off a 3-way race against any of those quislings with double digits just in protest. Maybe starts off with 15% of more, prompting others to get in.

We actually, in my mind, could have reached 30 million or more Americans.

Oh well...

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FOH  posted on  2008-02-14   2:11:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#222. To: Jethro Tull, christine (#22)

That culturally diverse dude in the lower picture? His real name is LeVon Debois and he lives in Harlem. I arrested him for burglary in '76. Dopey liberals....

Oh, the guy dat look like da Kingfish? LOL Put on a robe and a funky hat and you be da King and get white respect all da sudden wit da liberals.

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-14   2:28:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#223. To: rowdee (#205)

Well, actually the first bullet is to kill the sonofabitch, and the other 16 are just to make sure he's really dead. Leastways that is how I see it....

Ammo's cheap and there's no extra paperwork for shooting more than once!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   3:49:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#224. To: Jethro Tull (#52)

"I'm a strong believer in the rights of hunters and sportsmen to have firearms

I'm neither. I just like guns. Come and get them Ooooooooooooooooooooobama.

Obama's slippery statement presumes that hunting weapons could and should be broken down and stored possibly off premises between hunting excursions, so they couldn't be used for other purposes.

And, that brutha you arrested? Well, he don't be tellin' the young, white trim dis, but, he be protestin' Clinton's 110th St office and the "gentrification" of Harlem by Da Man!

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   3:56:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#225. To: FOH (#208)

Believe me, I'm thinking allot about the election and I would like to see Dr. Paul get the Republican nomination and would vote for him if he did.

I am not as hard on Obama as you seem to be, but as I learn more about him, I will stay open to checking out all sources offering material on him.

Ferret Mike  posted on  2008-02-14   4:34:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#226. To: Brian S (#197)

Certainly since we are in dire straights anyway...at least we can have fun while at it.

absolutely!

I was watching Anderson Cooper and he played two of the Jack Booted Thugs videos we had here recently, not the woman, but the boy with the skateboard and the handicapped man dumped from his wheelchair (possible broken ribs he said). I thought that was kinda cool.

Then they interviewed Lanny what's his face about the Democrat convention. It looks like no matter what, the convention will decide who becomes the nominee. Lanny said if the one perceived to have the greatest popular support is not chosen there will be a civil war in the party.

1968 Democratic Convention all over again.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-14   4:43:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#227. To: Ferret Mike (#225)

I will stay open to checking out all sources offering material on him.

That's my goal. He has more actual experience than Hillary, but it is still not much to go on. At least he gives swell speeches.

It's the anti-Insane-McCain vote.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-14   4:44:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#228. To: HOUNDDAWG (#224)

Actually, I think that would be Kenya, not Harlem, but whatever.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-14   4:45:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#229. To: all (#224)

When the DEMS get in, full amnesty, more gun laws, hate and speech laws, UN global taxes, forced FED health care, troop reduction, but we will NEVER leave th M.E.,etc..

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-14   5:41:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#230. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Isn't it time we say no and no more?

Yes, it's time. We should be intuitive enough to say no when our conscience is violated.

There isn't much chance that 300 million people will ever agree on all of the issues that confront them. There's even less chance that a small group of pre- selected elitists chosen to guide the masses by a very small group of manipulators will concern themselves with what they consider mediocrity, which is how they see the masses and what your question really addresses.

What we have awoken to is a highly sophisticated form of mass propagandized, mob ruled socialism, cloaked in a meaningless CON-stitution, wrapped in a false patriotic flag, blended into a cauldron of voo doo religions, drugs, distractions, and materialism. In other words we have been intentionally programmed to be dysfunctional in order that we might be conveniently managed.

As a social whole, we are in a state of governmentally induced hypnosis that has left us incapable of recognizing our own sick state of paralysis. This election cycle is the perfect example. We had maybe 10 potential (CFR) candidates that soon became 3 and easily could have become just 1 ... then what would be the purpose of your vote ? Is it possible that the slew of candidates could simply determine among themselves who will be President and by dropping out leave us to choose from 1 final contestant. Hahahahaha ... it makes voting so much simpler but really, ya gotta be shitting me.

1st you're instructed that "anyone" can become the President, or that if you work hard and keep your nose clean you can succeed. And by the time you realize that you've been lied to from birth the ever tightening noose of fascist / communist incrementalism is choking the intrinsic value of life from you and it begins to dawn on you that you're actually in bondage to a system designed to incarcerate you without the necessity of bars ... unless you aren't programmable. [Charlie Manson rightfully proclaimed that he was the perfect example of being a product of their "system" since he was institutionalized most of his life.]

So, if it makes you feel better get out there and vote. Personally, I think there will be an opportunity to vote with meaning sometime soon. The votes will be tallied by counting the holes left in the candidate of the moment. Sign me up.

noone222  posted on  2008-02-14   5:51:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#231. To: christine (#36)

We are never leaving. Period. There are some on this thread lacking some common sense.

"Hi, I have a 150 IQ, but I can't tie my shoes."

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-14   5:51:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#232. To: noone222 (#230)

Beautiful.

Mark

If America is destroyed, it may be by Americans who salute the flag, sing the national anthem, march in patriotic parades, cheer Fourth of July speakers - normally good Americans who fail to comprehend what is required to keep our country strong and free - Americans who have been lulled into a false security (April 1968).---Ezra Taft Benson, US Secretary of Agriculture 1953-1961 under Eisenhower

Kamala  posted on  2008-02-14   5:52:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#233. To: X-15 (#30)

I figured it was Boozing Chelsea getting schmarmy with some Nigerian at a U.N function.

Probably the one who contacted her about giving her a big percentage of the 25 million or so he needs some foreigner to help get out of his country and they are just working out all the "modalities." Those Nigerians seem to be awful big on modalities, ahaha.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
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James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-14   8:20:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#234. To: James Deffenbach (#233)

www.nolanchart.com/article2691.html

"""...Why do I support Ron Paul?

The Job the President Swears to do on inauguration day is this:

"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."

I support Ron Paul because he has a 20 year voting record that shows that he will, without fail, preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States. Thus I'd say "the best of (his) ability" is pretty damned good.

This whole Constitution thingy may not mean much to someone who has decided to support a candidate who voted for the reauthorization of the Patriot Act, but just because you are ignorant (not stupid, but ignorant) doesn't mean that you shouldn't be allowed to vote for whom you choose; it is YOUR decision, as you stated. ... If I supported Obama and were asked to consider a simple question like "what is a President actually supposed to do?", discovered that I had no clue, and after actually learning the answer realized that my candidate was completely unfit for the job, I probably wouldn't have any desire to explain why I supported him either. ... Obama was a constitutional law professor.... As a constitutional law professor, Barack Obama would be expected to possess profound knowledge of the Constitution....Barack Obama actually gave a knowledge based Pretty Speech about how atrociously the reauthorization of the Patriot Act violates civil liberties (you know, the ones the 4th Amendment that outdated Constitution thing-a-ma-bob protects) immediately prior to his announcing that he would be voting FOR it. littlePretty speeches don't ... our Constitution from getting raped either... """

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   8:31:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#235. To: Kamala (#231)

We are never leaving. Period - Kamala

For a $1000 dollars and control of the board, can anyone name the last nation America left after razzing it?

- EXCLUSIVE: BILLION DOLLAR BUNKER EXCLUSIVE

U.S. plans Baghdad embassy more secure than Pentagon
By Chris Hughes Security Correspondent
03/01/2006

AMERICA is to spend £1billion on an embassy in Baghdad "more secure than the Pentagon".

Plans for the hi-tech complex are being kept secret because of the terrorist threat in Iraq.

The exact location is not being released until later this year but it is likely to be built in the heavily fortified Green Zone area where the Iraqi government and US military command is based.

The embassy will be guarded by 15ft blast walls and ground-to-air missiles and the main building will have bunkers for use during air offensives.

The grounds will include as many as 300 houses for consular and military officials.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   9:20:20 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#236. To: Jethro Tull, robin (#22)

That culturally diverse dude in the lower picture? His real name is LeVon Debois and he lives in Harlem. I arrested him for burglary in '76. Dopey liberals..

Repeating JT's post (#22) and flagging robin to it. She apparently believes that JT arrested LeVon Debois in Kenya.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   9:21:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#237. To: HOUNDDAWG (#236)

The mofo tried to lose me in the Khyber Pass, but thanks to my native NYC tracking skills, and LeVon's addiction to cheap wine, his effort failed.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   9:38:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#238. To: Jethro Tull (#237)

The mofo tried to lose me in the Khyber Pass, but thanks to my native NYC tracking skills, and LeVon's addiction to cheap wine, his effort failed.

He must have been headed to Russia from Afghanistan or vice versa!

And, chalk another one up for the NYPD who always gets dey manz! (Although they usually ventilate them thoroughly if'n dey tries to runz)

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   9:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#239. To: HOUNDDAWG (#238)

African immigrants (see illegal alien invaders) usually require a fusillade of 40-some odd shots before they submit to reason. See Amadou Diallo for complete details.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   10:00:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#240. To: TwentyTwelve (#82)

WAKE UP EVERYBODY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please clarify.

The message I'm getting here is just stay in bed in November or sleep walk to the polls and let the rest of the electorate choose the next President.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:02:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#241. To: Cynicom (#87)

I vote local and state but Federal is a different story.

Local and state there is a modicum of accountability, once you go to Swampville, there is NO recourse.

You're ahead of your time.

That philosophy will be much more effective after the Revolution.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:07:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#242. To: FOH (#78)

Hussein Obama will be given the reason for war and he'll do his lord's will.

God willing, we've had our last "messianic" President who receives his marching orders directly from the Almighty.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:11:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#243. To: robin (#80)

I do see a lesser evil. I could be wrong, but from what I've researched and read I believe he would cause the least amount of harm.

I'm afraid that won't resonate, robin.

We appear to be confronted with a bunch of prone little foot kickers here, who if they can't have things exactly their way, are just going to hold their breath.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:18:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#244. To: iconoclast (#242) (Edited)

God willing, we've had our last "messianic" President who receives his marching orders directly from the Almighty.

Obama has a different "almighty" he takes orders from along with Hitlery (and they're both equally vile)...and McCain takes orders from gremlins that live in his twisted and sick mind...not much difference as I see it. I will NOT vote for any Establishment fascist candidate. Period. The only moral thing to do is vote third party..

Saying you'll vote for a fascist lesser of two evils because a 3rd party is a wasted vote...your implication....is, and has always been, a fool's folly and an immoral action.

That's as nicely as I can possibly call you an idiot. ooops...

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-14   10:18:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#245. To: iconoclast (#243)

Who's confronting you? Go vote Obama, then.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   10:21:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#246. To: X-15 (#84)

Remember the "peace dividend" under Clinton and the ensuing 8 years of madness??

Madness? Madness?

I flew my flag in the distress position during the Clinton administration.

But, my God, then came Booshie.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:22:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#247. To: iconoclast (#246)

Madness? Madness?

I flew my flag in the distress position during the Clinton administration.

But, my God, then came Booshie.

Same here.

My favorite joke was about the guy who kept calling the White House switchboard and asking for Bill Clinton. The operator became suspicious and notified the secret service who interviewed the man. When asked why he kept calling, he said "I just love to hear her tell me that The Clintons aren't there anymore!"

I never dreamed that I could despise anyone more than the Clintons, but then came BushCo.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   10:25:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#248. To: Jethro Tull (#239)

African immigrants (see illegal alien invaders) usually require a fusillade of 40-some odd shots before they submit to reason. See Amadou Diallo for complete details.

It was an honest mistake. One can hardly blame the police after Diallo went for his wallet that way....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   10:31:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#249. To: FOH, robin (#85)

I do see a lesser evil. I could be wrong, but from what I've researched and read I believe he would cause the least amount of harm.

You're wrong.

We're all waiting with bated breath for your explanation of why you prefer Hitlery or the the very unlikely eight more years of Bush/McCain?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:36:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#250. To: iconoclast, jethro tull, FHO, cynicom, robin (#249)

We're all waiting with bated breath for your explanation of why you prefer Hitlery or the the very unlikely eight more years of Bush/McCain?

We're all waiting why you think Obamaslama is any different from those you mentioned?

We're all waiting why you'd ever vote for him, as opposed to a good man running third party, or even a Ron Paul write in?

We're all waiting to see how you justify that morally?

Law Enforcement Against Prohibition

"There is no 'legitimate' Corporation by virtue of it's very legal definition and purpose."
-- IndieTx

"Corporation: An entity created for the legal protection of its human parasites, whose sole purpose is profit and self-perpetuation." © IndieTx

IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-14   10:39:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#251. To: IndieTX (#250)

I don’t oppose all wars. And I know that in this crowd today, there is no shortage of patriots, or of patriotism. What I am opposed to is a dumb war. What I am opposed to is a rash war. What I am opposed to is the cynical attempt by Richard Perle and Paul Wolfowitz and other arm-chair, weekend warriors in this Administration to shove their own ideological agendas down our throats, irrespective of the costs in lives lost and in hardships borne.

Obama and his foreign policy adviser Brzezinski have been against the Iraq war since before its inception. McCain has Kissinger.

Obama attacked Wolfowitz and Perle by name in 2002. I did not see Hillary or Insane McCain do that.

en.wikisource.org/wiki/Barack_Obama's_Iraq_Speech

Brzezinski and Obama
Barack Obama has been criticized by pro-Israel forces (undoubtedly egged on by the Hillary team) for naming Zbignew Brzezinski, Jimmy Carter's National Security advisor, as one of his foreign policy gurus. Ezra Klein links to, and endorses, a post by one Matthew Duss, relying on a story from the Politico website, suggesting that the "Israel lobby," writ large, and Alan Dershowitz personally, are upset about Brzezinski because he wrote an essay last Summer defending Mearsheimer and Walt’s “Israel Lobby” essay.

Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised!
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson

robin  posted on  2008-02-14   10:43:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#252. To: kiki (#99)

here's what I'd like to hear on cnn in november....a record number of people voted today but NOBODY voted for president or congress, only for local candidates.

Interesting dream.

I'm sorry you woke up before finding out whether Bush, Boner, McConnell, et al just cleaned out their desks and went home.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:44:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#253. To: Vitamin Z (#100)

Obama is lying. But hey, isn't that kind of a prereq to becoming prez?

Caution ... don't judge all future candidates by the present shameful occupant of the White House.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   10:50:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#254. To: christine (#0)

the learning curve is somewhat flat

Many believe in either intelligent design or evolution...but I am opting for unintelligent design, where god is a retarded kid who likes setting army men on fire and leaving his toys out in the rain.

Gengis Gandhi, Troubled Genius

gengis gandhi  posted on  2008-02-14   10:52:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#255. To: gengis gandhi (#254)

www.nolanchart.com/article2712.html

Ron Paul and more wasted primary votes.

"... In conclusion, Ron Paul is the only true contrast in this race. He has a rock solid record of upholding the Constitution that cannot be contested. He does not flip-flop. He is not intimidated or swayed by power or money. And he is offering real world solutions instead of feel good soundbites. Perhaps, most importantly, his supporters know exactly where he stands and why they support him. If America really wants the "change" we hear so much about, Ron Paul is her only hope in '08. "

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   11:06:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#256. To: Tauzero (#117)

We tried that.

I don't think we have. Until it seriously affects basic things like food, clothing, and shelter, "bad" is kinda relative.

1) Food prices rising rapidly .. due in no small measure to the ethanol nonsense.

2) Clothing coming largely from Asia ... and now to put the icing on the cake they're raising their prices.

3) Shelter .... your area is somehow not generously sprinkled with for sale signs? Not to mention the long term effects of the home finance debacle.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   11:13:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#257. To: FOH (#219)

I wish I got *that* vibe from the Paul campaign.

All that has to happen right now is that McPain not get enough delegates to win the nomination outright. Then it becomes a whole new ball game. More of those delegates going to the convention are RP people than most people think.

Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution

Critter  posted on  2008-02-14   11:19:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#258. To: Critter (#257)

All that has to happen right now is that McPain not get enough delegates to win the nomination outright

Now we can actually thank Limbaugh for helping by his recent slamming of McPain..let's hope it keeps up. Paul can beat Hitlery/Obama in any race, 2-way or 3-way. But he has to be in the national election to do it...the National Election. We are just debating the best way he could get there. He won't (not can't) run 3rd party or he'd be kicked out of the Rep Party and denied his chance to run for his congressional seat. What's more important to him? IS he making the right decision?

I don't know..but I do know it is "Water the Tree" and "V" time if he doesn't win it. This WILL be the last election if he loses. And THAT my friends is what is at stake here. Don't forget it.

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IndieTX  posted on  2008-02-14   11:31:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#259. To: IndieTX (#250)

We're all waiting why you think Obamaslama is any different from those you mentioned?

The best I can figure is he's brown, has become a media rock star, and some simply think he needs a chance to be the next JFK, who incidentally lost 3/4s of his head when he tried to buck the system.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   12:16:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#260. To: FOH (#208)

At this point Mike, I wouldn't be so sure that all votes for marxist obama won't end up not being counted.

Registering a good-conscience vote for Ron Paul would more likely send the message that YOU, my FRIEND, want to send.

BRAVO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   12:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#261. To: noone222 (#230)

As a social whole, we are in a state of governmentally induced hypnosis that has left us incapable of recognizing our own sick state of paralysis. This election cycle is the perfect example. We had maybe 10 potential (CFR) candidates that soon became 3 and easily could have become just 1 ... then what would be the purpose of your vote ? Is it possible that the slew of candidates could simply determine among themselves who will be President and by dropping out leave us to choose from 1 final contestant. Hahahahaha ... it makes voting so much simpler but really, ya gotta be shitting me.

outstanding post!

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   12:19:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#262. To: christine, noone222 (#261)

I second it. Dead on accurate.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   12:21:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#263. To: Jethro Tull, Christine (#262)

Thank you both.

noone222  posted on  2008-02-14   13:31:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#264. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

The way I see it, it's a choice between having a mafia don in your neighborhood whose goons will break both of your kneecaps (Clinton or McCain) versus a mafia don whose goons will break only one (Obama). Are both examples mafia dons with armed thugs? Yes, but there's still a difference between the two - I'd rather have one broken kneecap than two.

Obama will wreck this country, no question about it. If you name a bad social or fiscal policy, he's all for it. But I still think that McCain is a lot more likely to start a nuclear war than Obama. That doesn't mean I'd ever actually vote for Obama in the general election (I'll probably do my usual third party protest vote), but I'd rather see him than McCain in the WH for this reason alone.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-02-14   14:58:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#265. To: Cynicom (#21)

You Sir, are a gentleman, a scholar and a man that knows corrupt politics.

Thank you kindly. I have studied it/them long enough I suppose. And anyone who thinks that any of the current crop running for President, with the exception of Ron Paul, are worth voting for haven't been paying attention.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-14   15:15:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#266. To: James Deffenbachrowdee, angle (#265)

Thank you kindly. I have studied it/them long enough I suppose. And anyone who thinks that any of the current crop running for President, with the exception of Ron Paul, are worth voting for haven't been paying attention.

I always approached politics with a cynical attitude thus my name.

With that in mind, I always was against the incumbents. My theory was that they had done enough harm, stolen enough, thus needed to get a job and earn a honest living like other Americans. It did not matter as to party, friend or foe, out you go, let someone else steal for a change.

I even ran my own nephew out of a country office once for corruption, equal opportunity enemy, I was.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-14   15:23:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#267. To: FOH (#45)

The silver tongued racist can come personally for my 30-round clips...if he'd like.

And when he comes give the dumb sob all your ammo, one bullet at a time.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-14   16:36:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#268. To: Trace21231 (#70)

I am hoping that Bush just cancels the elections and stays in office. Then nobody has to vote and Bush could pardon Larry Craig.

Imagine my shock and chagrin to see a Bushbot on here. I thought you confined your infant wisdumb to Fraud Repugnant and did a drive by on LP once in a while.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-14   16:49:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#269. To: James Deffenbach (#268)

I think that's the fake Trace who posts here highlighting the ridiculousness of the freetard Trace. I could be wrong.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   17:05:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#270. To: Arator (#149)

The GOP must die -- hard and with a vengence. So go, Obama, go!

Yeah, that makes all kinds of sense. 'Cause establishment clown B is just SO MUCH BETTER than his ideological twin, establishment clown A. uh huh. Good thinking.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-14   17:12:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#271. To: angle (#269)

I think that's the fake Trace who posts here highlighting the ridiculousness of the freetard Trace. I could be wrong.

Well, that could be. If it is just someone pointing out the freeptard Trace's insanity I guess that's a good thing. Anyone know where Badeye After Five is? I understand Badeye used to post here under that name when he got off "work," or escaped from the library or whatever it was.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-14   17:31:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#272. To: IndieTX, All (#244)

Saying you'll vote for a fascist lesser of two evils because a 3rd party is a wasted vote...your implication....is, and has always been, a fool's folly and an immoral action.

For the life of me I can't figure out what you and the myriad cynics here who have totally given up on the political system are doing on a political discussion forum.

Shouldn't you all be in dank basement rooms building bombs and schemes? Or, are you just chronic bitchers?

What a joy you must be to live with. I'd tell you to get a dog, but I love dogs too much.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   17:38:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#273. To: angle (#245)

Who's confronting you?

Surely you jest.

Go vote Obama, then.

I did ..... yesterday.

Did I strike you as one who doesn't put his money where his mouth is?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   17:44:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#274. To: iconoclast (#272)

For the life of me I can't figure out what you and the myriad cynics here who have totally given up on the political system are doing on a political discussion forum.

It's called free speech, and I wouldn't call what you discuss politics. I'd put it in the realm of fantasy. Come Nov. you will be ruled by either Hillary or Obama. That's the deal so please stop bitching.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   17:47:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#275. To: HOUNDDAWG (#247) (Edited)

I never dreamed that I could despise anyone more than the Clintons, but then came BushCo.

God bless you brother.

This forum has become an insane asylum. The joy of a sane man encountering another in such a place is indescribable.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   17:49:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#276. To: iconoclast (#275)

This forum has become an insane asylum.

Hey, us fruitcakes get it right once in awhile.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-14   17:50:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#277. To: James Deffenbach (#271)

Badeye after five was the spoof badeye as well.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   17:55:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#278. To: iconoclast (#273)

Did I strike you as one who doesn't put his money where his mouth is?

No. Just wonder what all your hoopla's about if you're voting Obama. No worries, right? He's certainly no conservative or libertarian or constitutionalist, so he's not losing any votes from the RP crowd, now is he?

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   17:58:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#279. To: IndieTX (#250)

We're all waiting why you'd ever vote for him, as opposed to a good man running third party, or even a Ron Paul write in?

It ain't brain surgery Tex.

It's, briefly, because Obama is infinitely superior than enduring another day of the Clintons in the White House.

Your other meaningful choice is four or more years of the lunatic that finished fifth or so from the bottom of his Annapolis class and became an inarguable hero in Viet Nam despite his cumulative record.

John Sidney McCain III is known among many of his Vietnam flight buddies as "Ace" McCain. This title has not been bestowed upon McCain because he destroyed five enemy aircraft. On the contrary: It was five on our side -- in fact, five of his own, beginning with his first one at Pensacola during training.

So you go ahead and let one of these two slip into the White House thanks to yours and the other "protest votes".

Your a sad excuse for an American voter.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:08:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#280. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#264)

The way I see it, it's a choice between having a mafia don in your neighborhood whose goons will break both of your kneecaps (Clinton or McCain) versus a mafia don whose goons will break only one (Obama). Are both examples mafia dons with armed thugs? Yes, but there's still a difference between the two - I'd rather have one broken kneecap than two.

you help to make my point which is we have no choice. they are selected for us. if obama is the anointed one, you can bet it's because the PTB know he will figurehead the furtherance of their globalist anti-america/american agenda. obama is CFR. what more do we need to know. a vote for him or any d or r candidate only reinforces acceptance and belief in the hoax by us. i don't want any part of that.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   18:12:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#281. To: christine (#280)

All of the annointed candidates are CFR/NWO approved.

However, there are two different factions fighting over who gets to rule in the New World Order. On one side is the globalist "left" who want to abolish national sovereignty and make the UN the seat of power. These are people like Obama, Jimmy Carter, Brezinski, etc.

The other NWO faction is the Zionist camp - people like Bush, Bolton, Wolfowitz, and McCain. They want the seat of power to be in Tel Aviv instead of the UN.

Both factions spell the end of sovereignty, I just think that the Zionist camp is the bloodier of the two.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-02-14   18:18:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#282. To: angle (#277)

Badeye after five was the spoof badeye as well.

yeah. shhhhhhhhhh, I already knew that, was just taking a dig at the blind one.

Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-14   18:20:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#283. To: iconoclast, IndieTx (#279)

Your a sad excuse for an American voter.

i so beg to differ. read my post to Rupert, iconoclast. Indie feels the same as do. does our point of view not make sense to you?

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   18:22:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#284. To: Jethro Tull (#274)

Come Nov. you will be ruled by either Hillary or Obama. That's the deal so please stop bitching.

Yeah, and I've made my choice ... Obama ... wasn't at all tough, and I'm acting on it.

The rest of you are bitchin ... and intend to stay home, lodge a useless protest vote, or shoot somebody.

You may chalk it up to free speech but do you surround yourself with negative, do nothing bitchers? Or, is that why you retreat to here?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:23:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#285. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#281)

ok, that makes sense.

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   18:24:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#286. To: iconoclast, christine, Jethro Tull (#275)

God bless you brother.

This forum has become an insane asylum. The joy of a sane man encountering another in such a place is indescribable.

Please don't embrace me while attacking the forum.

It comes off as manipulative and slippery and causes me to question your purpose for being here.

Regarding JT's views, there is ample evidence that he is absolutely correct in his apparently cynical view of politics.

In fact I seldom find myself disagreeing with him because I know that nothing is as it appears and he is probably right.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-14   18:27:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#287. To: angle (#278)

No. Just wonder what all your hoopla's about if you're voting Obama. No worries, right? He's certainly no conservative or libertarian or constitutionalist, so he's not losing any votes from the RP crowd, now is he?

I owe you all a small clarification I guess.

My sentiments, and they are intense, are aimed at those of you who are yet to cast your primary vote.

McCain is unstoppable in the the Stupid Party.

Hitlery still has a realistic shot at being on the Dim ticket.

If this is prospect is okey dokey with you, then sleep well.

If you sit 'n bitchers are comfortable with the prospect then just ignore me. Then it will become the first election I've ever sat out .... there will be NO lesser of two evils.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:34:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#288. To: christine (#283)

i so beg to differ. read my post to Rupert, iconoclast. Indie feels the same as do.

I read yours.

Now you read mine. ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:54:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#289. To: iconoclast (#287)

My sentiments, and they are intense, are aimed at those of you who are yet to cast your primary vote.

I'm voting FOR Ron Paul on March 4, 2008. Not Obama. Not Hitlery. Not "Insane" McCain. Why?? Because he is the only man running for President who is brave enough to break with all of the bad policies that have almost ruined this nation. You voted for Obama and that's your right. But if you vote for Obama this November and that sorry bastard becomes President we'll all remember you voted for him, iconoclast. And we'll exercise OUR RIGHT (with christine's permission) to excoriate you in the public arena called freedom4um. Fair enough?

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   18:56:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#290. To: HOUNDDAWG (#286)

Please don't embrace me while attacking the forum.

Sorry I mis-read you.

I guess I win the conclusion jumping contest for the night.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   18:58:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#291. To: X-15 (#289)

But if you vote for Obama this November and that sorry bastard becomes President we'll all remember you voted for him, iconoclast.

Sorry, I didn't get which of the other inevitable candidates you're hoping for .... Hitlery or McInsane?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:02:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#292. To: iconoclast (#287)

Then it will become the first election I've ever sat out .... there will be NO lesser of two evils.

there ya go. ;)

The only solution to this mess is to dig a hole big enough to nudge them all in and cover quickly

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   19:05:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#293. To: X-15 (#289)

I'm voting FOR Ron Paul on March 4, 2008.

Well, perhaps that will be therapeutic for your petulant hurt feelings but how does it prevent prevent a McCain Clinton face off in November?

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:10:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#294. To: iconoclast (#291)

I'm not voting for any of the three stooges. If I can't write-in Ron Paul this November, I'm not voting for President.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:11:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#295. To: iconoclast (#293)

Well, perhaps that will be therapeutic for your petulant hurt feelings but how does it prevent prevent a McCain Clinton face off in November?

I can always hope for an Act of God to strike down one of the defilers of the Constitution.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:12:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#296. To: X-15 (#294)

I'm not voting for any of the three stooges.

Bravo little feller.

You've undoubtedly moved mountains during your lifetime.

It must have gotten mighty tiresome carrying your ball home though.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:15:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#297. To: X-15 (#294) (Edited)

Not trying to be obtuse, but what could possibly prevent you from voting for Dr Paul as a write-in? I doubt any such effort would result in a Ron Paul presidency, but it is nonetheless a simple way to serve notice.

I've never done a write-in before, but that's my plan for now, largely depending on who the Libertarians or Constitutional Parties run.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:17:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#298. To: X-15 (#295)

I can always hope for an Act of God to strike down one of the defilers of the Constitution.

I will be waiting with bated breath for multiple thunderclaps.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:18:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#299. To: christine (#292)

Then it will become the first election I've ever sat out .... there will be NO lesser of two evils.

there ya go. ;)

I think you fouled off my point, Hon. ;-)

It's a McCain/Clinton match up that will totally discourage my participation.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:23:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#300. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#281)

Both factions spell the end of sovereignty, I just think that the Zionist camp is the bloodier of the two.

I was thinking about making bland interjection about subfactions until I read that, but then remembered what a large chunk of the Democratic Party is consumed by foriegn passions as well.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:23:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#301. To: iconoclast (#287)

McCain is unstoppable in the the Stupid Party

Thank you sir may I have another?

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:25:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#302. To: iconoclast (#284)

Yeah, and I've made my choice ... Obama ... wasn't at all tough, and I'm acting on it.

Great choice.

What is it about him that suggests he'd be any less of the same poison, and what assurance can you offer that your vote will be counted?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   19:27:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#303. To: Dakmar (#297)

I'm assuming that we'll be allowed to write in a candidate this election cycle. Seeing how the primary process has panned out, I wouldn't be surprised if our ballot comes out with only two choices.

"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck

X-15  posted on  2008-02-14   19:27:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#304. To: Dakmar (#297)

but it is nonetheless a simple way to serve notice.

Serve notice of what? Certainty of a Clinton or McCain election?

I can't abide that thought.

I believe Obama will not lie like Bush.

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

I believe he will heal and not divide with pandering and partisan hate like Hillary.

That may not make him George Washington but it makes him head and shoulders above current and recent choices.

Just MHO.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:30:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#305. To: X-15 (#303)

I've never done a write-in vote, as attested by revision of my previous post (my mind wanders, lol), but I think it's a damned fine idea. I'll schedule a week off work, rent a lawnchair, and sit there and watch them count them all.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:32:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#306. To: iconoclast (#304)

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

As is your right. I was actually impressed with Obama's threat to attack Pakistan, he might be fun.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:34:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#307. To: Dakmar (#297)

I've never done a write-in before, but that's my plan for now

That was my plan too until I gave the McCain Clinton face off some serious thought.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:39:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#308. To: iconoclast (#307)

Obama is bought and paid for is my opinion. I derive no pleasure from that, it actually hurts if I think too hard about it, but I've seen him kowtow to AIPAC one too many times, which is one with me.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   19:43:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#309. To: iconoclast (#299)

i got it. i was teasing you.

christine  posted on  2008-02-14   19:51:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#310. To: Dakmar (#306)

As is your right. I was actually impressed with Obama's threat to attack Pakistan, he might be fun.

I know where you're coming from ... I was frothing at the mouth for that at the point where the Decider cut and ran from there to begin the nutty invasion of Iraq.

Alas, I fear that train may have left the station on that option (though there is bit of fun-thought still titillating me too).

One good thing (maybe the only one) has come out of the Iraq tragedy for me. That is that I have come to think that, if left to their own devices, the Arabs may very well erase these Jihad nuts from their own turbulent midst. As predictable, Bush has taken credit for the put down of al qaeda west of Baghdad but that was the due to the efforts of Sunni sheiks.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   19:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#311. To: FOH (#221)

And which 3rd, 4th, or 5th party did/do you want him to run under? Even the Constitution Party from what I read the other day is not yet, but is hopeful, of being on all 50 state ballots.

You do realize, of course, that the makes the nut just that much harder if, for instance, he would do as you are bidding him to do, and whatever party you chose was not on all 50 states--say, they're only on 45 states? What then? You just made the job a hell of a lot harder. What if those 5 missing states were something like Californicate, Florida, or NY with their large # of electoral votes?

And speaking of electoral votes.......how does each state select their electors? It is based on who wins each individual state's race, or based on the state's party in power, or ???

And say, for the sake of argument....there was no one reaching the magic # of electoral votes required to win.......then it goes to the House, does it not? And do you honestly believe that a house run by demoncraps would select anyone but a fellow traveler to become president?

I'm just throwing out some 'what ifs'.....don't know or much care whether they are fact or fiction.....no one seems to care that Ron Paul never vowed he'd run on a 3rd party ticket.

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-14   20:11:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#312. To: rowdee (#311)

Damnit, I was promised 5th party slot. I was planning to extort Confection and Tobacco Workers Union to buy giant black light posters.

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   20:21:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#313. To: Dakmar (#308)

Obama is bought and paid for is my opinion. I derive no pleasure from that, it actually hurts if I think too hard about it, but I've seen him kowtow to AIPAC one too many times, which is one with me.

I have read his speech to AIPAC and found it unsatisfactory on a couple of points, but hardly the ass-kissing sort of thing we have come to expect from Bush.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:21:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#314. To: iconoclast (#304)

I believe Obama will not lie like Bush.

I believe he will do his best to get us out of Iraq and cease perpetual war, unlike McCain.

I believe he will heal and not divide with pandering and partisan hate like Hillary.

People with values have a keener sense of the worth they place upon their vote. When the choices amount to NO CHOICE only those without that sense of worth would even waste their time. Iconoclast, you obviously fit in the "without worth" category.

And, if you truly believe the crap quoted above ... I've got a bridge ...

noone222  posted on  2008-02-14   20:22:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#315. To: Jethro Tull (#302)

What is it about him that suggests he'd be any less of the same poison

I humbly refer you to #304.

what assurance can you offer that your vote will be counted?

You devil you, have you somehow located the box in which I placed my ballot? ;-)

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:29:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#316. To: noone222 (#314)

People with values have a keener sense of the worth they place upon their vote.

A highfalutin way to say you've chosen to make yours pointless and worthless.

I've got a bridge

Honey, you don't even have a clue.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   20:35:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#317. To: iconoclast (#315)

I humbly refer you to #304.

And I sir, humbly refer to you as The Duped One, not to be mistaken in any way with the great Jackie Gleason.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-14   20:36:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#318. To: iconoclast (#313)

I have read his speech to AIPAC and found it unsatisfactory on a couple of points, but hardly the ass-kissing sort of thing we have come to expect from Bush.

Now there's a role model. :)

"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-14   20:40:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#319. To: iconoclast (#279)

you go ahead and let one of these two slip into the White House thanks to yours and the other "protest votes".

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that. Beliefs, not guarantees. 'Your' protest vote, if you will.

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   20:49:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#320. To: FOH (#221)

I'm convinced that Ron starts off a 3-way race against any of those quislings with double digits just in protest. Maybe starts off with 15% of more, prompting others to get in.

And to whom would that throw the election .... Hitlery or McInsane?

More bluster .... to what end?

The time for fun, frolic, and folly is over but I'll be glad to take a seat next to you and debate all the way to the Ron Paul march on D.C.

Right now the we are upon the decision of who will oppose McCain and Hillary is woozy but not out.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:05:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#321. To: angle (#319)

Your beliefs about Obama are just and only that.

Actually no, considerable hope too.

Beliefs, not guarantees.

Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get a guarantee?

On second thought, maybe I could give you some guarantees on Mac and Hill.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:20:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#322. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   21:28:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#323. To: angle (#319) (Edited)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Actually I never held a positive thought about the smug little faux cowboy from Andover, but SC choices were expected and I (foolishly?) based my vote entirely on that fact.

And, then of course, the Dumbocrats selected the wooden headed Algore to head their ticket. And I fear they will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once more and hand the nomination to Hitlery, the only one on earth that that halfwit McC would stand a chance against.

That's why they need some help from thoughtful Republicans and Independents in these next crucial primaries.

Republicans (Democrats for that matter) ....... HAD ENOUGH?

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-14   21:34:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#324. To: angle (#319)

Bush sounded good too, after Clinton, or don't you remember?

Bush was the main reason I quit the GOP party, back in 1999. I suspect he's been a barf-inducing entity since the day after he was born.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-14   21:35:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#325. To: kiki (#322) (Edited)

when? I must have missed that. he got an obvious free pass from the media, but I can't remember a moment when he seemed like anything other than a moron.

In 2000 when so many people were duped by him, he almost won the election.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-14   22:55:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#326. To: angle (#325)

In 2000 when so many people were duped by him, he almost won the election.

lol! *almost* being the operative word

kiki  posted on  2008-02-14   23:34:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#327. To: iconoclast (#290)

I guess I win the conclusion jumping contest for the night.

Perhaps if you believe that I would enjoy the rancor of a site like Freeperville where people viciously ass bite each other.

I'm just not up for that.

If this place goes in that direction then I won't take a superior tone about it, but, I won't post here anymore.

Different viewpoints do not automatically justify belittling insults to others, in my view. And, I despise that superior Freeper tone and their unfortunate habit of trying to convert people through humiliation.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   1:44:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#328. To: iconoclast (#321)

Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get a guarantee?

You said this ??? How about "Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get the truth ?

noone222  posted on  2008-02-15   2:03:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#329. To: Dakmar (#312)

OKIE......you've got the 5th party ticket. Whatcha wanna call yer party, Dak....it's your choice?

Turn your back on the sun andyou only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-15   2:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#330. To: noone222 (#328)

How about "Is this your first time voting, or when did you ever get the truth ?

Truth takes a battering in politics, but never in history such a mauling as was given to it by the Bush administration.

Imo, Clinton and McCain carry his "legacy" forward. They epitomize "same ole, same ole".

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-15   7:16:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#331. To: Jethro Tull (#317)

And I sir, humbly refer to you as The Duped One,

Krauthammer has a column in today's Washington Post attacking Obama. People who fall for his kind of lies are the duped ones.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   7:23:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#332. To: aristeides (#331)

Krauthammer has a column in today's Washington Post attacking Obama.

HERE:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp- dyn/content/article/2008/02/14/AR2008021403105.html?hpid=opinionsbox1

"...Obama has an astonishingly empty paper trail. He's going around issuing promissory notes on the future that he can't possibly redeem. Promises to heal the world with negotiations with the likes of Iran's president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. Promises to transcend the conundrums of entitlement reform that require real and painful trade-offs and that have eluded solution for a generation. Promises to fund his other promises by a rapid withdrawal from an unpopular war -- with the hope, I suppose, that the (presumed) resulting increase in American prestige would compensate for the chaos to follow..."

Krauthammer may be correct, but I thought the piece was lacking in substantiation of his opinion. And I'm no McHillabama fan.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-15   8:04:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#333. To: angle (#332)

The super-Zionists don't like Obama. Hence columns like Krauthammer's.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   8:18:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#334. To: aristeides (#333)

Obama's rallying the black vote, according to the headlines.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-15   8:22:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#335. To: christine (#0)

I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....

Vote for Obamba? Not a freaking chance!

If Ron Paul isn't on the ticket, I stay home. Simple as that.

Pern  posted on  2008-02-15   8:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#336. To: angle (#332)

What was done to Colin Powell will be done to Mr. Oh-Bomb-Us, it's an orderly transformation from gentleman to step-n-fetchit.

noone222  posted on  2008-02-15   9:30:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#337. To: angle (#332)

Krauthammer may be correct, but I thought the piece was lacking in substantiation of his opinion.

That never gives him pause.

He's not a journalist, he's an evil little Zionist propagandist.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-15   15:14:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#338. To: christine (#0) (Edited)

Any inclination that I would have to vote Obama in November would be contingent on certain things. One, that Hillary is NOT on the ticket or anywhere near his proposed administration. Two, that IF it's looking to be a VERY close election in California where I live. I will not stand for either McHitler or Staliny as prez.

Obama otoh, might mitigate the damage done overseas and maybe even buy the country a couple more years. It's selfish, but I am not personally ready for the inevitable collapse/disruption of the country, even though in the long run it will be a good thing.

Don't look at this as any kind of decision on my part to vote for Obama. I have no illusions about him saving the country. That was Ron Paul's prescription, and maybe someone will remember it. In all likelihood I will vote 3rd party (once again), and if the 3rd parties were smart they'd unite around a strong anti-war (and preferably pro-Constitution) candidate for president. It DOESN'T have to be Ron Paul, but it should be someone.


From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.

PnbC  posted on  2008-02-15   15:50:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#339. To: PnbC, All (#338)

Obama otoh, might mitigate the damage done overseas and maybe even buy the country a couple more years.

i'm wondering why it is people think that if you look at who he's chosen for his advisors. hear not his words, look at his actions.

Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.

christine  posted on  2008-02-15   17:57:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#340. To: christine (#339)

i'm wondering why it is people think that if you look at who he's chosen for his advisors. hear not his words, look at his actions.

Obama was manufactured right in front of our eyes, and people see nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-15   19:15:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#341. To: christine (#0)

I have to say, I am very surprised at the number of 4um posters who are considering voting for Obama or any of the Establishment picks....

I haven't voted Democrat/Republican since 1994. I vote, when I bother to vote at all, third party. Voting third party is the only possible non-violent solution. The Democrats control the Senate with the help of third party support (Lieberman, from the Likud Party & Bernie Sanders, socialist, give the Dems the votes they need) and an America-first third party could do the same and have an immediate impact with just a few successful candidates. The problem is conservatives these days are all a bunch of pussies terrified of their own shadows so they're just not willing to take the risk of turning what's left of the country over to the liberals. Or the liberals with a D behind their names, they're quite content to give it to the R liberals. Getting back to conservative cowardice, take for example the fact that they're always yapping about ending our dependence on foreign oil (which is imo partly Jewish driven because they'd like to limit our contacts with the Arab world, and which, also imo, is foolish because it looks like oil is going to be an essential commodity far into the future so why not use everybody else's oil first), yet in spite of worrying about foreign oil many conservatives always want to drive the biggest gas guzzlers they can find because they're terrified of getting into accidents in small cars. Wusses. And for God's sake don't mention Islamofascists, that sends them into a sobbing, thumb-sucking fetal position. Gotta stop them there terrists, even if we have to elect an effing maniac like John McCain. Baloney, 9/11, even if you accept the official version, was caused as much by Bush admin. incompetence and stupidity as it was by terrorist power and organization. If the terrorists were such an organized threat they'd be using our exposed southern flank to hit us every ten days, instead of every ten years, but it's hard to get that point across to some wimp who's running around in circles and screaming at the top of his lungs.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------BWS - Bush Worship Syndrome; a mental disorder that causes Iraq had WMDs and Saddam did 9/11 troofers to worship Bush no matter how much damage he does to conservatism, to the GOP, to the English language, or to the country. Rush "the doper" Limbaugh and Sean "the dope" Hannity are two examples of extreme cases.

Rich  posted on  2008-02-15   20:22:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#342. To: Cynicom, _______, christine, Jethro Tull, robin, rowdee, lodwick, Yertle Turtle (#340)

Obama was manufactured right in front of our eyes, and people see nothing.

And, many of the same peepul who wouldn't dream of voting for a Yale Bonesman don't understand that Obama is a product of Cook County, Ill.

Do you know what that means?

It's the US county where there is always a chronic shortage of small, brown paper bags.

It's where mobsters, the CIA and banksters meet to launder money from questionable sources, and it can either be rinsed and come up as sweet smelling suitcase cash (with a fresh Spring flower scent, ready to be passed to a US Senator, border or DEA agent) or, it can be run through the mercantile exchange and show up as soybean profits or some other windfall that is then clean enough to deposit and pay token taxes on so it can be used for multi million dollar homes, boats, planes etc., for those whose toys cost more than the average nickel dime, cash-as-you-go operator.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   21:22:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#343. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

Yep - well said.

As dirty as it gets up there.

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Lod  posted on  2008-02-15   21:27:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#344. To: lodwick (#343)

Thank you Sir.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   21:31:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#345. To: HOUNDDAWG (#344)

As we know, it's dirtier than dirt everywhere; but some places are over-the-top, Marion Barry, and worse dirty.

Stay locked & loaded safe.

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Lod  posted on  2008-02-15   21:36:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#346. To: lodwick (#345)

As we know, it's dirtier than dirt everywhere; but some places are over-the-top, Marion Barry, and worse dirty.

Stay locked & loaded safe.

Roger that and thank you again.

My six is covered and my powder's dry.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-15   21:44:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#347. To: Rich (#341)

I haven't voted Democrat/Republican since 1994.

you got it long before i did.

Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.

christine  posted on  2008-02-15   21:45:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#348. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

no wonder Obama's a (s)election.

Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.

christine  posted on  2008-02-15   21:47:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#349. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

Obama is a product of Cook County, Ill.

Excellent point. Some of the younger posters weren't around when Mayor Dailey paid back Joe Kennedy with some 300k last minute votes for his kid.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-15   21:51:29 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#350. To: HOUNDDAWG (#342)

Yeppers.......that be Mayor Daily country! That be where the dead are required to vote 2x before receiving their death certificate.

That be da place?

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-15   21:59:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#351. To: rowdee (#350)

RD

Cook County is where the only good democrat is one that has been dead and not voted for the past four years.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-15   22:12:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#352. To: HOUNDDAWG, All (#342)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

Vitamin Z  posted on  2008-02-15   22:13:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#353. To: Vitamin Z, robin, christine, lodwick (#352)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

And Winthrop Rockefeller was the Governor of Arkansas back in those days (wink wink) and his first wifes name was Eva PAUL.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-15   22:22:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#354. To: Cynicom (#351)

That is a story I've long heard, cyni.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-02-15   22:37:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#355. To: christine (#348)

no wonder Obama's a (s)election.

I mean really.

We know that he plays the game and that he shares secrets with the machine, so he can be controlled.

Which is why there's zero chance of him suddenly turning on our Jewish brothers and sisters if elected president.

Just as VP Spiro Agnew was reeled in for questionable deals as MD's governor, so could Barack for one of the many small brown paper bags he no doubt handled while in the Ill. Legislature. The fact that he delivered the keynote address to the 2004 Democratic National Convention tells me that he is a reliable party functionary, and in Cook County that means counting, bagging, delivering and sharing in the life-sustaining plasma of the Democratic Party in general, and Cook County in particular....

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   0:59:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#356. To: Jethro Tull (#349)

Excellent point. Some of the younger posters weren't around when Mayor Dailey paid back Joe Kennedy with some 300k last minute votes for his kid.

Chicago was and is an amazing place for coincidence.

And the only reason that Richard Michael Daley will likely serve longer than his pappy Richard J. Daley is the same reason the Teamsters elected James P. Hoffa, the son of James Riddle "Jimmy" Hoffa-the machines and the voters support, endorse and derive benefits from organized corruption, and America in decline has reduced ethics to a mere punchline.

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   1:07:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#357. To: rowdee (#350)

Yeppers.......that be Mayor Daily country! That be where the dead are required to vote 2x before receiving their death certificate.

That be da place?

"Vote early and vote often and death is no obstacle!"

If the truth be told those deceased voters would probably vote the way the machine wants, so the party is simply representing the interests of a different type of property owner-residents of the various area cemeteries, who it could be argued have been denied effective representation for too long!

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   1:12:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#358. To: Vitamin Z (#352)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

Perhaps it's the result of intervention by an other worldly power....

You know, like maybe an angel or sumthin! angel

HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-02-16   1:16:29 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#359. To: Vitamin Z (#352)

Is it true that Bill Clinton and Mike Huckabee are from the same small town of Hope, Arkansas? If so, what are the odds of that being coincidental?

Correct. My cousin was in Clintion's second grade class. He moved to Hot Springs a little later and really grew up there.

Huck was in Hope for all if not nearly all his boyhood. Class president most of the time I knew him.

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tom007  posted on  2008-02-16   1:27:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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