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Title: The First Muslim-Born Leader of the West (Obama)
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The Brussels Journal
URL Source: http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2965
Published: Feb 13, 2008
Author: Thomas Landen
Post Date: 2008-02-14 15:16:07 by X-15
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Comments: 97
If I had been asked two months ago “Which Western country runs the greatest risk of electing a Muslim-born leader and how soon do you think this is going to happen?” I would have bet on the Netherlands somewhere in the next decade. Today, it looks as if the first Western country with a Muslim-born leader might very well be the United States next year, when President Barack Hussein Obama enters the Oval Office. The Europeans do not mind being surpassed. Obamania has struck Western Europe. Two weeks ago, in an attempt to explain Europe’s enthusiasm for Mr. Obama, the left wing German weekly Der Spiegel pointed out that the Illinois senator is the most “European” of all the candidates in the U.S. presidential race. “Many in Europe would like nothing more than a ‘European’ America […] Obama personifies Europe’s hopes for a modern America: black, socially minded and gentle,” the German magazine wrote. As if Europe is black, socially minded and gentle… Last week, Algemeen Dagblad, a newspaper in the Netherlands, asked the 150 members of the Dutch House of Representatives how they would vote in the U.S. elections if they could. Mr. Obama got 58 votes, Mrs. Clinton 40, while a mere 23 Dutch parliamentarians – fewer than those who said they had no opinion – would vote Republican. There is little doubt that if Europe were to decide the American elections the next POTUS would be Barack Hussein Obama. In November we will know whether letting Americans decide their own future makes any difference. The Europeans hope it does not. Europe is preparing itself for a Muslim take-over. Last year, an influential French Catholic archbishop told the American Catholic scholar Richard John Neuhaus that in the not-so-distant future Europe will be an Islamic continent. “We are preparing ourselves for soft Islamization,” the French archbishop said. Last week, the archbishop of Canterbury, the head of the Church of England, advocated the adoption of certain aspects of Islamic Sharia law in the British legal system. His remarks caused indignation from people who do not seem to realize that several Sharia courts already sit across England, Scotland and other Western countries. Perhaps Mr. Obama strikes the Europeans as the “most European candidate” because he was born a Muslim. If America can have a Muslim-born leader, why not Europe, many Europeans will ask. They know that the latter is “unavoidable” (to use the archbishop of Canterbury’s words). In America, Mr. Obama’s Muslim family background (unlike Mr. Romney’s Mormonism) is a non-issue because he attends a Christian church. Nevertheless, being born from a Muslim father, raised by a Muslim stepfather, having been enrolled at school (in Indonesia) as a Muslim and having attended Friday prayers at the local mosque as a young boy, he cannot be seen by Muslims as anything but a Muslim, especially because he has never explicitly rejected the faith of his fathers nor said anything negative about it. The day Barack Hussein Obama comes to the White House many Muslims, also in Europe, will see it as a vindication of recent announcements by radical Islamists that the green flag of Allah will soon fly over the White House, Buckingham Palace, the Vatican and the other “fortresses of the West.” Since perception is often more powerful than reality the importance of an Obama presidency cannot be underestimated. The American political establishment, including the Republicans, are very naive about the Islamic threat to Europe. Rather than working against the Islamization of Europe American policies tend to hasten the process. America is an ally of Saudi Arabia – a dictatorship which funds the most extremist Islamic organizations. America pushes for the independence of Kosovo, which will establish an Islamist regime in the heart of Europe. America wants the European Union to accept Turkey as a member state. If Mr. Obama proceeds with these policies (as he is likely to do) and withdraws from Iraq, thereby indicating that America has lost the war, the radical Islamists in Europe will become even more arrogant than they are today. Obviously, America is not to blame for Europe’s present predicament. The demographic and religious vacuum in Europe, which is being filled by Muslim immigrants and by Islam, is entirely of Europe’s own making. The Europeans – and they alone, not the Americans and not even the Muslims, who were welcomed to Europe – are to blame for the Islamization of the old continent. The irony, however, is that America does not seem to draw lessons from Europe’s predicament. The specter of Islam is haunting the world. The Europeans, who lack America’s fighting spirit, are trying to appease their enemy and are hoping for “soft Islamization.” America, sadly, does not even seem to have noticed that there is a problem. It called Mr. Romney to account for his Mormonism but has yet to ask Mr. Obama for his views on Islam.
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#57. To: Vitamin Z (#41)
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
The relevance of the question goes to the double standard Blacks in America enjoy. Obama in this case. Do you deny a double standard exists?
ping to Snopes link
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! You can also look at the Wikipedia entry for Rev. Jeremiah Wright for confirmation that the charges are spurious. Interesting, though, that the charges involve claims of anti-Semitism because of some pretty shaky guilt-by-assocation connections with Farrakhan. The Zionists again.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
You continue to squirm around like Linda Blair sprinkled w/Holy Water. Stop referring me elsewhere and answer the question with your thoughts. All I did was change out WHITE for BLACK on Obama's church's mission statement, and you can't tell me why that would then eliminate a WHITE candidate. This is a simple, direct question.
I reckon neither Christians nor Muslims support infanticide, so you're right.
Obama's campaign itself refutes any idea that he might be anti-white. The attempts to associate him with Farrakhan have been ridiculously tenuous. I have no idea what Obama's church may believe. If it's racist, I see no reason to believe Obama believes that part of its tenets. If Obama is a racist, why don't you dig up a quote showing that HE is a racist?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Why would this statement if used by a WHITE candidate, ruin his career?
As far as I know, no CANDIDATE made any such statement.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Obama is a member of a church that espouses those sentiments in reverse. Why is that OK for a BLACK but not for a WHITE?
If Obama is a racist, why don't you dig up a quote showing that HE is a racist?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
He can't be a racist, after all he's Black. The question is about the double standard he enjoys and how a white candidate would indeed be called a racist if the mission statement were reversed.
That's curious, because I could've sworn that a few weeks ago Snopes said it was true. Looks like they've switched around some of the verbage and played around with the semantics and are now calling it false. But the Mission Statement comes straight from the church's website. Obama has said he is a member there, so I don't see the issue. It's his church. I personally don't care what church he attends or even if they are a black power denomination. Be black. Be loud. Be proud. Good on you. But the hypocrisy is what is alarming. Again, if David Duke tried to run for President, his candidacy would be destroyed by the media before it even left the starting line. Obama's candidacy is propped up and encouraged by the media. In fact, I've never seen a politician receive such positive media coverage.
I can't even tell you how many times I've run into people in the past few months who dislike Ron Paul because "Oh, he's racist, right?" The only thing they know about Ron Paul from the media is that "he wrote some racist newsletters or something," like that automatically disqualifies him, even though we all know that he did not write or even know about the controversial comments.
Obama was mostly raised by his all white grandparents. It is very unlikely he is any kind of racist.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! Obama is half-white and was raised almost exclusively by white folks, and yet he attends an African pride church. Makes sense.
His wife is African-American and society identifies him as a Black man. It is not really very surprising at all.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! robin, I never called him a racist. I conducted a simple exercise in my Word program. To repeat for like the 10th time, I switched out the word Black for White on Obama's church's mission statement. I did this on my own volition and I'm not being controlled by Limbaugh or Hannity. Can you please take a look at the White version of the statement I created and tell me if you agree with my conclusion that if a White candidate belonged to a church w/this mission statement h/she'd be excoriated and run out of the electoral process on a rail. I believe we do have a racial double standard in this country and we can argue if it's good or bad, but I think intellectual honesty needs to be applied before we can move on with the debate. Thanks.
well said. don't tell me there is no double standard.
Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
And this is all because of the color of their skin? And what has this to do with the Obama church statement exercise?
Bump to #75
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Have you seen any pictures of his white family members? I haven't, and neither has anybody else. Obama is either ashamed of his white family or has turned against them, because he won't be seen with them in public. He's a screwed-up human being.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Blacks are incarcerated at about ten times the rate of whites live shorter lives are more likely to live in poverty are more likely to be unemployed are more likely to be pulled over are more likely to be arrested and charged when caught with minor crimes are more likely to be suspended for conduct whites are given D-hall for are more likely to be convicted if charged are given higher sentences for the same crimes are more likely to get the death penalty and are less likely to receive sentence reductions, commutations or pardons than whites.
http://gary2idaho.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/huckfamily.jpg
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
That was a cheap shot.....and I'm laughing my ass off!!!! hehehe
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
Solid argument. Thanks.
www.snopes.com/politics/obama/church.asp Please read to the end. I think this explains the church and its members rather well.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! www.kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/?p=7026 www.kansasprairie.net/kansasprairieblog/?cat=32 I never saw photos of the parents or grandparents of Romney, Huckabee, Thompson or Guiliani.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! robin, what is your opinion on the Black/White racial double standard in this country?
I think it is due to the minority status. If I was a minority in say Puerto Rico, I might feel a greater need to find other whites to be part of a group with. The majority rules.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! That can't possibly be because they commit more crimes than whites, could it? Just like the fact that there are more blacks living in poverty can't possibly be because more of them decide that a life of welfare and thuggery beats having a job and responsibilities? When you have 10-15% of the population causing more than half the violent felonies, it's hard to think of them as any kind of victims.
Thanks for your input, robin. That's one way to view the double standard. IMO, the primary problem that blacks have is a huge chunk of them have embraced victim status with the fervor of religion. They can't achieve anything because of the history of slavery 160 years removed. The truth of it is every race and nationality has been enslaved at one point or the other. Jews were enslaved by Egyptians, Assyrians, Romans Only the Blacks continue to use it as their primary identity and their ongoing excuse. If you are a victim you never accept that 90% of what happens in your life is your fault. Education is not bestowed by showing up. Like everything else in life it takes individual work. To that end this government, since '65, has spent many billions, if not trillions in an effort to correct past injustices. Past injustices, BTW, that neither I, you, nor 99.9% of the people currently in this country had anything to do with. My grand parents were fleeing Ireland, broke and hungry when slavery was in vogue here so I'm taking a guilt-free pass. We'll see how Mr. Obama does in this selection. I'm thinking we haven't a clue who he is or what he's about.
That's true. I think the victim mindset is one of the things this Trinity Church is trying to address. I should have added that the majority rules unless you are in AIPAC.
Ron Paul for President - Join a Ron Paul Meetup group today! The Revolution will not be televised! The election of Obama as president would contribute mightily towards ending blacks' victim mindset.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Europe (including England) is unquestionably an absolute mess as regards Muslim immigration and their failure to cope with it. But, be not confused. The specter haunting the world is the prospect of America sinking deeper into neocon, Zionist, fascism.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
#58. To: YertleTurtle (#43)
#59. To: ghostdogtxn, Vitimin Z (#57)
#60. To: Brian S, Elliott Jackalope (#44)
Snopes calls your claims about Obama's church a false "urban legend".
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#61. To: Jethro Tull (#53)
#62. To: aristeides (#61)
#63. To: YertleTurtle (#43)
Obama is not a Muslim, not a Christian. He's an agnostic.
#64. To: Jethro Tull (#62)
(Edited)
#65. To: aristeides (#64)
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We are a congregation which is Unashamedly White and Unapologetically Christian... Our roots in the White religious experience and tradition are deep, lasting and permanent. We are a White people, and remain "true to our native land," the mother continent, the cradle of civilization – Northern Europe. It is God who gives us the strength and courage to continuously address injustice as a people, and as a congregation. We constantly affirm our trust in God through cultural expression of a White worship service and ministries which address the White Community.
#66. To: Jethro Tull (#65)
Why would this statement if used by a WHITE candidate, ruin his career?
#67. To: aristeides (#66)
#68. To: Jethro Tull (#67)
#69. To: aristeides (#68)
#70. To: aristeides (#44)
Snopes calls your claims about Obama's church a false "urban legend".
#71. To: Jethro Tull, aristeides (#69)
He can't be a racist, after all he's Black. The question is about the double standard he enjoys and how a white candidate would indeed be called a racist if the mission statement were reversed.
#72. To: Jethro Tull (#69)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#73. To: robin (#72)
Obama was mostly raised by his all white grandparents. It is very unlikely he is any kind of racist.
#74. To: Vitamin Z (#73)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#75. To: robin (#72)
#76. To: Vitamin Z (#70)
#77. To: Jethro Tull (#59)
#78. To: ghostdogtxn (#77)
Blacks are incarcerated at about ten times the rate of whites, live shorter lives, are more likely to live in poverty, are more likely to be unemployed, are more likely to be pulled over, are more likely to be arrested and charged when caught with minor crimes, are more likely to be suspended for conduct whites are given D-hall for, are more likely to be convicted if charged, are given higher sentences for the same crimes, are more likely to get the death penalty, and are less likely to recieve sentence reductions, commutations or pardons than whites.
#79. To: robin (#75)
#80. To: Jethro Tull (#78)
#81. To: robin, All (#72)
Obama was mostly raised by his all white grandparents. It is very unlikely he is any kind of racist.
#82. To: ghostdogtxn (#80)
Dispel the Obama church mission statement please.
(blacks commit a disproportionate amount of violent crime)
(see violent black crime)
(this despite affirmative action, and a myriad of educational programs especially designed for them? - See the Great Society)
(see above statement)
(because of their race? Proof please)
(proof please)
(the legal system is only as good as one can afford. See OJ Simpson on how to get away with murder)
(so either the judge and/or jury are racist? Which is it?)
(see racist judges and juries above. If this is your conclusion, prove it)
(Perhaps they commit a disproportionate number of capital crimes?. If not, please offer your explanation for this inequity)
(see “you get what your pay for” justice. The system is all about how much you can buy, not about color.)
#83. To: X-15 (#81)
Have you seen any pictures of his white family members?
#84. To: All (#83)
#85. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
#86. To: Jethro Tull (#82)
#87. To: Vitamin Z (#83)
#88. To: ghostdogtxn (#86)
#89. To: Jethro Tull (#75)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#90. To: X-15 (#81)
Obama with his mother's parents who raised him in Hawaii. 
Obama's mother as a child with her parents.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#91. To: robin (#89)
#92. To: Jethro Tull (#91)
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#93. To: ghostdogtxn (#77)
(Edited)
Blacks are incarcerated at about ten times the rate of whites
#94. To: robin (#92)
Celts were enslaved by Romans,
Greeks were enslaved by Romans
The Ottoman Turks enslaved everybody.
#95. To: Jethro Tull (#94)
The truth of it is every race and nationality has been enslaved at one point or the other.
I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.-T Jefferson
#96. To: robin (#95)
#97. To: X-15 (#0)
The specter of Islam is haunting the world
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