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Title: Draft
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URL Source: http://www.ronpaulwarroom.com/?p=6435
Published: Feb 14, 2008
Author: ronpaulwarroom.com
Post Date: 2008-02-14 20:44:26 by TwentyTwelve
Keywords: draft, alert
Views: 340
Comments: 20
Draft By madmattie | February 14, 2008 I just wanted to post this so that everybody sitting around wondering if they can stand going to Washington and roughing it for a couple of day’s will know the outcome of your hesitation. You do realize that if ANY of these others candidates get elected and the war continues that the Draft is going to be reinstated. This time it will be male and female, can’t discriminate anymore. I have two that would be eligible, they will go over my dead body to get them. Look at your precious children alive well living their life, then look at them blown to bits. This is going to happen if we don’t end this stupid war. All you will have left is a picture and a flag.
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#1. To: FormerLurker (#0)
There will be no draft. As long as poor rural kids are joining, the middle-classes don't care. But try to draft their little Skippy Whiteboy offspring, and watch how fast politicians are out on their asses.
If you do not know who you are, you are maimed.- Jimmy Cantrell
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"Most of the trouble in this world has been caused by folks who can't mind their own business, because they have no business of their own to mind, any more than a smallpox virus has." - William S Burroughs
Tell your kids--and any kid who will pay attention--that if they reinstate the "draft" DO NOT TAKE ONE STEP FORWARD AND TAKE THE OATH! That $#it is a contract and they cannot force people to serve against their will. The following is from http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi?read=63207 I Gave this info to my Boys 3 of which are Prime Draft Bait. If you care Please Let any Girl or Boy 17 to 50 have this information on how to Not Volunteer for the Draft or National Service. Tricking you is another way the Government Avoids that Pesky 13th Amendment No slavery nor involuntary servitude, Constitution Problem. Now if only there was a "Pearl Harbor" type of event to really pull this nation together... Oh wait they tried that already!! NO DODGING ? JUST REFUSE TO VOLUNTEER? HERE?S HOW: I hope that you will not be offended if I tell you HOW THE "DRAFT" works. I realize that most people THINK they know how it works, but in most cases they are in error! AND, you can avoid the worry when 'College and Canada will not be options [because] in December 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in.' Being willing (and eager) to fight for one's country when it is truly in danger is one thing. Having the courage to refuse to fight in immoral and/or unconstitutional "wars" is quite another matter, I believe. ICE No need to "dodge" the ball if they're not allowed to hit you with it, if you merely 'take your stand' and refuse to VOLUNTEER! 1. Mr. A receives a "draft notice" and is told to report on a certain date to a certain place where he receives his physical and mental tests...then he is classified with a number indicating whether he is A1(first called)...all the way down to 4F(unfit for duty). 2. Mr.A is told that he is to report for "induction" into the military and to appear at a certain military base for that purpose on a date specified. 3. By "LAW" he must appear there...or a warrant for his arrest will be issued. 4. Assuming he reports as directed he will have another brief physical and tests and then is told to "line up on the yellow line (painted on the floor) 5. A Recruiting Officer will then tell all those "joining the army (or whatever)to take one step forward...(Oh, oh, THOSE WHO DID THIS JUST "VOLUNTEERED!")This is done so that no one can "legally" claim they were "forced into involuntary servitude!" "RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND AND SWEAR ALLEGIANCE." (almost everyone does!...thinking it must be REQUIRED!): "I, (name) do solemnly swear that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America and will defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, and will obey the orders of the President and the officers appointed over me, so help me God." 6. Those who "voluntarily" stepped forward CANNOT NOW CLAIM THEY WERE"DRAFTED"...they stepped forward voluntarily and took the Oath voluntarily! 7. Assume Mr. B was smarter than Mr. A and HE DID NOT STEP FORWARD ANDTHEREFORE DID NOT TAKE THE OATH OF ALLEGIANCE. (the recruiter will probably say something like this: "what's the matter with you, don't you know what' step forward' means?" Mr. B responds, "sure I do, but I AM NOTVOLUNTEERING TO SERVE IN THE MILITARY...If you want me you must 'take me' against my will by force!" 8. All of those who "volunteered" will now be excused from the room...and the Mr. B will be cajoled with persuasive arguments...at first...then, when nothing works to change his mind he will be called names and insulted, possibly even assaulted by one or more military people present there as witnesses. 9.IF Mr. B does not weaken, stands his ground, eventually the tormentors will give up and have him arrested on some charge. However, there is NO lawful way that they can MAKE him go into the military...because of the Constitutional prohibition against "involuntary servitude"...which is why NO ONE IS TRULY EVER "DRAFTED" AND MUST BE "SEDUCED " INTO VOLUNTEERING! D. R. Graham Ret. Sci. Instr. & Ret. Mil. Off'r, AUS ***************************************************************** One thing to say at this point is what the cops are coached to say on the witness stand: "Am I ordered?" If the recruiter says No, then obviously you're OK. If the recruiter says Yes, then "By what authority do you, a military officer, order me, a civilian?" If the recruiter says anything else, repeat the question until you get Yes or No. If the recruiter says "I order you by the authority of the United States Government" then "Which clause of the Constitution gives you, a military officer, (the authority) to order me, a civilian?" Another thing to say is: "Am I free to go?" If the recruiter says Yes, then obviously leave. If the recruiter says No, then "Am I under arrest? Am I your prisoner? Am I kidnapped? If I'm not free, then what am I?" and again, keep repeating the question. Another thing to say is: "I want an attorney." Another thing to say is, of course, nothing at all. I think I would go with "Am I free to go?" because if you get to Yes, then you can leave and he would look bad ordering an arrest. If you ask the question three times and don't get a yes or no, then "Well I must be free to go, because I asked you three times and you won't tell me I'm not." Then I would slowly turn around and leave, and if he keeps trying to interact I would just keep repeating the question. === Here's an excerpt from a book: The Army induction officer instructed the draftees to "take one step forward" as their names were called, and said that step would signify their induction into the Army. When reluctant Willie's name was called, he answered present, but did not step forward. After the ceremony, he went home instead of to camp. When the MP's came for him, he went to court for a writ of habeas corpus to retain his freedom. "The officer himself," Willie argued, "said the step forward is what would make me a soldier. As I didn't take the step, I'm still a civilian and the Army has no claim on me." Counsel for the Army replied, "The Army isn't being run by childish games. Willie and a hundred others appeared to be inducted, and he was inducted before the whole group as any fool there could plainly see." Willie retained his civilian status. The court ruled that the draft law required some definite ceremony to transform a civilian into a soldier. As the Army decided to have one step forward constitute the ceremony, and Willie didn't take the step, he wasn't a soldier. U.S. Court of Appeals, 1954 Mammonator posted this as well Last year http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=47363
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. After Star Trek, he was in the Blues Brothers, then later Hannibal Lector killed him.
If you do not know who you are, you are maimed.- Jimmy Cantrell
Interesting. Of course I'm beyond draft age, and served more than 8 years, so they can't touch me, but they could go after loved ones.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I have a 19 year old son.
I hope that any kid I have any influence with--if any--will tell them to just ef right off when they tell them they want to use them for cannon fodder in one of their bs wars that is no benefit whatsoever to this country or the vast majority of its people.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. A draft is the only remaining piece of the puzzle remaining to be put in place for Hillary. How it will be accomplished is unknown.. I remember in the late 1930s FDR telling us over and over he would never draft American boys to fight in foreign wars. People believed him and returned him to office. There were millions out of work so Congress and FDR sprung a draft on us and then a war. FDR lied.
See #8.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. I think some case history says it takes a little more than that. One objector didn't take the oath but they herded him down the same cattle shoots as all the others. He refused everything along the way, including cashing pay checks. He wore the uniform because they took his civil clothing and ate their food but didn't obey orders. After some number of months they let him go. I think a court ruled that he didn't volunteer. A similar case of one who didn't take the oath but went along with everything else was deemed to have volunteered in spite of not taking the oath. If you don't volunteer, you gotta mean it.
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Yeah, I don't think it bothered ol' Federal Deficit Russianvelt to lie. No more than the idiot who currently resides in the Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You gotta mean it early and often with them, or so it seems.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Several men refused to go but they came with guns to get you. In 1952 the FBI and local law came to pick me up for not reporting for a physical. I was overseas.
Spock can't kid me. He's half-human; I know exactly what he was thinking during that concert.
Over a 100 year span only some four thousand blacks and 1300 whites were lynched. That equates to an average of 40 per year for blacks and 13 per year for whites. And prior to that, more whites than blacks were lynched. Factually speaking, lynching was applied sparingly and for heinous crimes. Today thousands suffer heinous crimes of murder, rape, disfigurement and other mayhem and the authorities do very little. The fact remains that military officers cannot legally order civilians to do a thing, not even shine their shoes, let alone go halfway around the world to kill people they have no grievance with.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
1941 was an inside job!
Point taken, but they could still throw me in the hoosegow before they could make me go kill people I have no grievance against for the sake of profits for the bankers and the militay/industrial complex. Of course I am not much worried about them trying to "draft" me anyway because I am too old. But I would still tell any kid young enough that they might want to use him for cannon fodder that it is all bs and the probability that it is being fought for America and American interests is so close to nil that he could bet everything he had on it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
#2. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
#3. To: YertleTurtle, robin (#2)
#4. To: TwentyTwelve (#0)
(Edited)
Lord Acton
#5. To: Dakmar (#3)
#6. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
#7. To: Original_Intent, James Deffenbach (#6)
Interesting. Of course I'm beyond draft age, and served more than 8 years, so they can't touch me, but they could go after loved ones.
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#8. To: Original_Intent (#6)
Interesting. Of course I'm beyond draft age, and served more than 8 years, so they can't touch me, but they could go after loved ones.
Lord Acton
#9. To: James Deffenbach (#8)
#10. To: farmfriend (#7)
I have a 19 year old son.
Lord Acton
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#4)
#12. To: Cynicom (#9)
FDR lied.
White Whore House.
Lord Acton
#13. To: Pinguinite (#11)
If you don't volunteer, you gotta mean it.
Lord Acton
#14. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
#15. To: Dakmar (#3)
#16. To: Cynicom (#14)
Several men refused to go but they came with guns to get you.
Lord Acton
#17. To: YertleTurtle (#2)
#18. To: James Deffenbach (#16)
#19. To: Cynicom (#9)
From Two Party System... ...to Two Family System.
#20. To: ghostdogtxn (#18)
They can't legally grab a US Citizen civilian and lock him up in solitary confinement for 3 years, either. But they did it, didn't they?
Lord Acton
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