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Title: NIU Gunman Stopped Taking Medication
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Published: Feb 15, 2008
Author: Carla K. Johnson, Michael Tarm, David Me
Post Date: 2008-02-15 11:59:27 by Original_Intent
Keywords: SSRI, berserker, Psychiatry
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Comments: 99
NIU Gunman Stopped Taking Medication February 15, 2008 11:41 AM EST DEKALB, Ill. - The man who gunned down five people at Northern Illinois University in a suicidal rampage became erratic after halting his medication and carried a shotgun to campus inside a guitar case, police said Friday. The man, 27-year-old former student Stephen Kazmierczak, was also wielding three handguns during Thursday's ambush inside a lecture hall. Two of the weapons - the pump-action Remington shotgun and a Glock 9mm handgun - were purchased legally less than a week ago, on Feb. 9, authorities said. They were purchased in Champaign, where Kazmierczak was enrolled at the University of Illinois. The other weapons were still being traced. Campus Police Chief Donald Grady said investigators recovered 48 shell casings and six shotgun shells following the attack in Cole Hall. The gunman paused to reload his shotgun after opening fire on a crowd of terrified students in a geology class, sending them running and crawling toward the exits. He shot himself to death on the stage of the hall. Kazmierczak, whose first name was earlier listed as Steven, was taking some kind of medication, Grady said. "He had stopped taking medication and become somewhat erratic in the last couple of weeks," Grady said, declining to name the drug or provide other details. Correcting information his office released earlier Friday, DeKalb County Coroner Rusty Miller said five students, not six, were killed in the rampage, in addition to the gunman. Miller said the higher victim total was the result of confusion over the fate of a patient taken to another county for treatment. "There was a miscommunication," Miller said. In Florida, Polk County sheriff's officials said they were asked to notify the suspect's father - Robert Kazmierczak of Lakeland, Fla. - of his son's death. They said the elder Kazmierczak was not at home to avoid the media. The motive of the killer, who graduated from NIU in 2006 but was a student there as recently as last year, was still not known. Grady said Kazmierczak was an "outstanding" student while at NIU and authorities were still trying to determine why he would kill. There was no known suicide note. "We were dealing with a disturbed individual who intended to do harm on this campus," NIU President John Peters said. Witnesses said the gunman, dressed in black and wearing a stocking cap, emerged from behind a screen on the stage of 200-seat Cole Hall and opened fire just as the class was about to end around 3 p.m. Officials said 162 students were registered for the class but it was unknown how many were there Thursday. Allyse Jerome, 19, a sophomore from Schaumburg, said the gunman burst through a stage door and pulled out a gun. "Honestly, at first everyone thought it was a joke," Jerome said. Everyone hit the floor, she said. Then she got up and ran, but tripped. She said she felt like "an open target." "He could've decided to get me," Jerome said. "I thought for sure he was gonna get me." John Giovanni, 20, of Des Plaines said the gunman calmly fired at the greatest concentration of students. "He was shooting from the hip. He was just shooting," said Giovanni, who turned and ran so fast that he lost a shoe. "I was running but I was hurtling over people in the fetal position." Peters said four people died at the scene, including three students and the gunman. The others died at hospitals. The teacher, a graduate student, was wounded but was expected to recover. DeKalb County Coroner Dennis J. Miller released the identities of four victims: Daniel Parmenter, 20, of Westchester; Catalina Garcia, 20, of Cicero; Ryanne Mace, 19, of Carpentersville; and Julianna Gehant, 32, of Meridan. Another victim, Gayle Dubowski, a 20-year-old sophomore from Carol Stream, died at a Rockford hospital, Winnebago County Coroner Sue Fiduccia said. The killer had been a graduate student in sociology at Northern Illinois as recently as spring 2007, Peters said. He also said the suspect had no record of police contact or an arrest record while attending Northern Illinois, a campus with 25,000 students about 65 miles west of Chicago. The gunman was a student at the University of Illinois in Urbana-Champaign, Chancellor Richard Herman said. Lauren Carr said she was sitting in the third row when she saw the shooter walk through a door on the right-hand side of the stage, pointing a gun straight ahead. "I personally Army-crawled halfway up the aisle," said Carr, a 20-year-old sophomore. "I said I could get up and run or I could die here." She said a student in front of her was bleeding, "but he just kept running." "I heard this girl scream, 'Run, he's reloading the gun!'" More than a hundred students cried and hugged as they gathered outside the Phi Kappa Alpha house early Friday to remember Parmenter, the 20-year-old sophomore from Elmhurst, who was one of those killed. The campus was closed on Friday. Students were urged to call their parents and were offered counseling at any residence hall, according to the school Web site. The school was closed for one day during final exam week in December after campus police found threats, including racial slurs and references to shootings earlier in the year at Virginia Tech, scrawled on a bathroom wall in a dormitory. Police determined after an investigation that there was no imminent threat and the campus was reopened. Peters said he knew of no connection between that incident and Thursday's attack. --- Associated Press writers Carla K. Johnson, Michael Tarm, David Mercer, Martha Irvine, Nguyen Huy Vu, Sarah Rafi, Mike Robinson and photographer Charles Rex Arbogast contributed to this report.
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#59. To: FormerLurker (#47)
You paranoid little sissy. I do not PM and I have no desire to engage in your paranoia or your prissy little gossip gaggles. Bye
Thank you.
President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Has anyone's gaydar gone off yet?
The vibe I'm getting from this guy is a homosexual recovering junkie vibe.
Whenever I hear "stellar", at least as applied to a non-"minority race" male anymore, I think the person must be talking about a homosexual.
Too bad. I sent you one I though was important. I did so for lack of a better choice.
Medications are not evil and those that take them are not part of the evil THEM. It is not terribly complicated ... the gun control radicals along with the rest of us should direct our ammo to irresponsible prescribing and un-controlled prescribe-ees. Examples ... only psychiatrists should be authorized to prescribe and those on these medications should be subjected to regular and frequent drug tests ... with strong sanctions for those revealed, from either side, as irresponsible. Actions should have consequences ... a damned good general rule, for that matter.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
I believe I have read that part of his nuttiness arose from a recent romantic breakup. I'm still old fashioned enough to read this as man/woman until I read otherwise.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
The University Shooter Was A Polish-American Jew ...... The Killer's Poppa The father, Robert Kazmierczak, gave no comment. The origin of the name Kazmierczak. http://judicial-inc.biz/82university_shooter_was_a_polish_supplement.htm http://judicial-inc.biz/82university_shooter_was_a_polish.htm ==================================== JEWS DID COLUMBINE...... http://www.freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=60590 Virginia Tech Massacre Port Arthur Massacre Judicial Index President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins
Bunnie, you are back. How's life in the Briar patch?
You are certainly one petty little drama queen. Go pull some cow teat, that might make your obsessions less painful.
There are MANY documented cases of formerly rational people shooting up their families who had recently been put on Prozac and similar drugs. The DRUGS are what trigger the psychosis, and they should be looked at more closesly.
Speaking of paranoia, what makes you think I was talking about you in terms of PM's?
What I've read could apply to any two people sharing a house - there can be fall-outs.
Haven't seen that. He apparently didn't go after his female house-mate, and left no note to her, so it does not look like there was much there. Like a beard.
lol
Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.
You're the one who seems obsessed. You're the one who was discussing me in PMs to everyone. Now suddenly I'm the one with a problem because I called you on your shit? That's rich.
Hey weirdo, you are becoming a bit overly paranoid these days. Take my advice and milk your cows. If anything, I could accuse you of the same thing you are accusing me of. I do find your obsession with global warming and mercury in vaccines in terms of shilling for the corporations a bit disturbing, but your "debate tactics" definitely scream out SHILL. And I HAVE caught you ridiculing me on a thread where I wasn't even a party to the discussion, so shove it.
You are turning people against each other. You cozy up to people in PM's, especially those that fit a certain profile, such as some of the more "troublesome" posters that post information critical of the status quo. You seek to gain personal information on them, in various ways. Then, you start fighting with others, and talk about them in PM's to those you've cozied up with. It's pretty blatent.
And BTW, who exactly is EVERYONE, in your eyes?
You seek to gain personal information on them, in various ways. Then, you start fighting with others, and talk about them in PM's to those you've cozied up with. It's pretty blatent. HUH??? What a bunch of crap that is. When do you stop making shit up? Every other post you come up with a different accusation about what I'm doing. Chritine, I'm getting tired of the constant false accusations.
If it talks like a shill, smells like a shill, and acts like a shill, I call it for what it is. You are a SHILL. That little game of pinging a zillion posters is what shills have done over the years on LP. Yukon does it still, as well as Byteshredder. BeAChooser did it often, as well as lesser known shills such as Kyle (who's probably resurfaced with a new name), and various others. It's pretty much a dead give away when someone pings an entire list of people to disparage a poster, unless of course it is to draw attention to an article or a post that contains valuable information. I pinged the two that I did as we are a bit curious as to your agenda here and why you are doing this. I did not ping everyone I could think of however. You want a war sweetie? You haven't seen anything yet.
Chritine, I'm getting tired of the constant false accusations. Tell me what part of what I posted is wrong. I can give proof if you insist. And BTW, you certainly reinforce my thoughts when you have to resort to crying to mommy. Bwa, FormerLurker is saying things that I don't like, please make him shut up.
Oh, sweet Jesus!
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
You're the one starting the shit not me. I'm on the defensive here just trying to keep up with the latest accusation. You are a SHILL. That little game of pinging a zillion posters is what shills have done over the years on LP. Yukon does it still, as well as Byteshredder. BeAChooser did it often, as well as lesser known shills such as Kyle (who's probably resurfaced with a new name), and various others. It's pretty much a dead give away when someone pings an entire list of people to disparage a poster, unless of course it is to draw attention to an article or a post that contains valuable information. I pinged the two that I did as we are a bit curious as to your agenda here and why you are doing this. You think I'm a shill? LOL! You think I have an agenda? Grange policy!!! Always!!! Everybody knows farmfriend is Grange. Fine I won't ping a bunch of people I'll ping two besides Christine. Two people who can verify beyond a doubt I am who I say I am. Verify I'm not a shill. You want to verify it yourself? Call the California State Grange office, talk to Jay Hartz. You can get their phone number off their web site. Call the National Grange, talk to LeRoy Watson, their Legislative Director. Contact the guys I worked with on the Klamath Bucket Brigade. Those people here who know my real name can look it up on the web, my contact information is there because of my work on the Sawgrass Rebellion. You mentioned my web site somewhere along the lines, making accusations about it that aren't true. You were talking about my chat site. Check out my handle on that site. scpg2 = Sacramento County Pomona Grange #2. That was the last handle I used on FR. My second one was FOG724 = Fair Oaks Grange #724. What you didn't know is that I also have a Legislative site I set up for the Grange when I was Master of Sacramento County Pomona Grange #2. farmfriend = former Legislative Director California State Grange Founded in 1867, the Grange is the oldest general farm and public policy organization in the United States. I am who I say I am. I'm not a shill. I don't have motives other than friendship when I talk to people, on or off the forum.
What is this thread now about? Thanks.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution You know what? Say whatever the fuck you want to say about me. Talk about me all you want in PMs. If people believe the crap you spew then they believe it. People want to be my friend, I'm open to friendship. I'm always honest and upfront with people. I expect the same from others. If people can't handle that or want to believe something different, so be it.
Romans 1:17 1/2-32, 48, 78, HIKE!
Uh, what do you think I've said about your website? How many people have you led there from here BTW?
Wrong. You started on me in PM, then accused me of somehow being in cahoots with robin on the global warming issue where I hadn't even posted on the topic here at 4um. When I responded to your posts on global warming, you stated that you were friends with an individual that is a known hack for the energy industry, and preceded to berate me with all sorts of idiotic remarks and accusations. You of course pinged friends of mine to your remarks that have known me much longer than any of us have known YOU. What the fuck do you hope to accomplish with all of this I wonder?
For heaven's sake, take this to PM and stop littering a good thread!
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
This chap, the weird little Korean, et al. should have been regularly and frequently drug checked! Persons on psychotropic drugs must not be allowed to make self-medicating decisions. These drugs have become too frequently and cavalierly prescribed. I don't think we are as far apart on this issue as you may have thought.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
There is fertile legislative ground there for politicians to take the 2A ball and run with it with repsect to moratoriums on ownership and prohibitions for X amount of time (probably a LOT too, like 2-5 years at least) on purchasing firearms with respect to former drug exposure. While I was listening to Savage comment the other day on how he believed all of these SSRIs and psychotropics will eventually be heavily restricted or banned, I bet they'll putter along for enough time to make sure a significant portion of the population is ensnared in their personal rights after effects (hey, what do you expect, I'm a cynic when it comes to politicians looking out for my "best interests")...
Government blows and that which governs least blows least...
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
I suspect your scripture post is facetious, Jethro? Otherwise it is puzzling (not to mention sloppy, I can find no verse 48 or 78 anywhere in the epistle). Are you suggesting an implication by Paul that all serial killers are Jews? I daresay we could find one or two that could quote new testament scripture like a parrot.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
Too commonsense-based to become reality I fear. I read an excellent article by a psychiatrist/professor on solutions for this horrendous recurring problem. Thought I bookmarked it but can't find it (happens often for me ;- ). I'll see if can find it again on the web.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot
Do you know of a link or mirror to the guy's original myspace page?
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" Yes, you are supposed to taper off, but why is that? Because the side effects of the drug withdrawls are so severe that they can incite psychoses, suicides, and berserker rages. However, not all of the SSRI berserkers were going off the drugs - some were still actively on them - like the Indian kid who went berserk last year, he had the maximum adult dose of Prozac as his prescription, or Joseph Westbecker (who inspired the term "going Postal") who had a high level of Prozac in his system at the time he went psychotic killing 7 in the Kansas City Post Office. I am collecting and reporting data. The data speaks for itself. Britain did not ban the prescription of anti-depressants to teens because they were having "too good of an affect" and that the high suicide rate was a desirable side effect. In one major study a sugar pill had a higher positive response rate. The FDA despite attempts to sidestep the issue did not put a "Suicide Warning" on anti-depressants because they are not in cahoots with the drug companies. Pissed off parents of dead kids and loved ones showed up at the hearings and forced them to acknowledge the facts. Whether you wish to accept it or not the data is still there and it speaks volumes without my added commentary well said.
"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him" Thank you.
"The difference between an honorable man and a moral man is that an honorable man regrets a discreditable act even when it has worked and he is in no danger of being caught." ~ H. L. Mencken
I'd say the jury is still out concerning drugs that are petro-chemical derivatives. Certainly discipline regarding their usage is key.
"If, however, a government refrains from regulations and allows matters to take their course, essential commodities soon attain a level of price out of the reach of all but the rich, the worthlessness of the money becomes apparent, and the fraud upon the public can be concealed no longer." John Maynard Keynes
#60. To: Original_Intent (#46)
#61. To: noone222 (#56)
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#62. To: noone222 (#56)
#63. To: noone222 (#56)
#64. To: JCHarris (#59)
I do not PM
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#65. To: Original_Intent, noone222, nobody (#46)
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#66. To: FormerLurker, All (#27)
It's part of the reason people are so f'ing confused these days, half them are on some sort of psyche drug.
#67. To: nobody (#62)
The vibe I'm getting from this guy is a homosexual recovering junkie vibe.
#68. To: Original_Intent (#0)
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judicial-inc, which is being suppressed by google, http://freedom4um.com/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=73618 , is reporting:
Pearl High School massacre
Red Lake Massacre
Columbine Massacre
Dunblane
Canadian Gun Control
Oklahoma City Bombing
Natalee Holloway murder
#69. To: JCHarris (#59)
#70. To: farmfriend (#54)
And BTW, it's considered rude to reveal a handle from another forum. You can self-righteously attack others for not following protocol but the rules don't apply to you I guess.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#71. To: iconoclast (#66)
Examples ... only psychiatrists should be authorized to prescribe and those on these medications should be subjected to regular and frequent drug tests ... with strong sanctions for those revealed, from either side, as irresponsible.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#72. To: JCHarris (#59)
You paranoid little sissy. I do not PM and I have no desire to engage in your paranoia or your prissy little gossip gaggles
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#73. To: iconoclast (#67)
#74. To: iconoclast (#67)
I believe I have read that part of his nuttiness arose from a recent romantic breakup.
#75. To: noone222 (#56)
Looks completely normal to me and Jack Blood !!!
#76. To: FormerLurker (#70)
You are certainly one petty little drama queen. Go pull some cow teat, that might make your obsessions less painful.
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#77. To: farmfriend (#76)
You're the one who was discussing me in PMs to everyone. Now suddenly I'm the one with a problem because I called you on your shit? That's rich.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#78. To: farmfriend (#53)
And just which forums would that be? And what trouble have I stirred up here?
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#79. To: farmfriend, Ferret Mike (#76)
You're the one who was discussing me in PMs to everyone.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#80. To: FormerLurker, Christine (#78)
You are turning people against each other. You cozy up to people in PM's, especially those that fit a certain profile, such as some of the more "troublesome" posters that post information critical of the status quo.
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#81. To: farmfriend (#55)
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You bring Robin and wudidiz into the conversation? Why not ping the whole crowd? Let em all read your insinuations.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#82. To: farmfriend, christine, robin (#80)
When do you stop making shit up? Every other post you come up with a different accusation about what I'm doing.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#83. To: AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt (#68)
The University Shooter Was A Polish-American Jew
#84. To: FormerLurker, sparker, bitterend, Christine (#81)
You want a war swettie? You haven't seen anything yet.
If it talks like a shill, smells like a shill, and acts like a shill, I call it for what it is.
former Conservation committee chair, CSG
former Lecture and GWA chair, Orangevale Grange #354
former Master, Sacramento County Pomona Grange #2
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#85. To: iconoclast, anyone here (#83)
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity
#86. To: FormerLurker (#82)
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#87. To: iconoclast (#83)
The University Shooter Was A Polish-American Jew
#88. To: farmfriend (#84)
You mentioned my web site somewhere along the lines, making accusations about it that aren't true. You were talking about my chat site. .
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#89. To: farmfriend (#84)
(Edited)
You're the one starting the shit not me.
You appear to be a major trouble maker...and I'm getting really pissed. - GoldiLox, 7/27/2006
#90. To: FormerLurker, farmfriend, christine (#82)
#91. To: FormerLurker (#71)
There are MANY documented cases of formerly rational people shooting up their families who had recently been put on Prozac and similar drugs.
#92. To: iconoclast, FormerLurker (#91)
There are MANY documented cases of formerly rational people shooting up their families who had recently been put on Prozac and similar drugs.
#93. To: Jethro Tull (#87)
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#94. To: Jethro Tull (#87)
Romans 1:17 1/2-32, 48, 78,
#95. To: Axenolith (#92)
There is fertile legislative ground there for politicians to take the 2A ball and run with it with repsect to moratoriums on ownership and prohibitions for X amount of time (probably a LOT too, like 2-5 years at least) on purchasing firearms with respect to former drug exposure.
#96. To: nobody (#61)
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#97. To: Original_Intent (#26)
I won't argue the point as the data speaks for itself.
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html
#98. To: Artisan (#97)
#99. To: iconoclast (#66)
Medications are not evil and those that take them are not part of the evil THEM.
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