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Title: Putting faith in Obama
Source: Dallas News
URL Source: http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcon ... RT.State.Edition1.376bec1.html
Published: Feb 15, 2008
Author: Rod Dreher
Post Date: 2008-02-15 16:37:38 by iconoclast
Keywords: Obama, conservatives, religion
Views: 492
Comments: 42

Do Christian conservatives tempted by him know what they're supporting?

10:44 AM CST on Sunday, January 20, 2008

Doug LeBlanc is a conservative evangelical and a Republican who is considering doing something he hasn't thought about since before the Reagan era – voting for a Democrat for president.

And not just any Democrat – he's taken by Barack Obama.Why Mr. Obama? Because to Mr. LeBlanc, a Virginia writer active in Episcopal Church controversies, the Illinois senator would bring to the White House "a decisive break from President Bush's foreign policy, a shattering of the racial ceiling on the presidency, youthful energy and an exceptionally bright mind."

Mr. LeBlanc is not alone on the right. Despite being even more liberal on policy matters than rival Hillary Clinton, Mr. Obama provokes remarkably little dread among Republicans. For conservatives tempted by Mr. Obama, his charm and empathy soothe conservative anxieties, especially when compared with the frightful Hillary Clinton.

What's more, the promise that Mr. Obama could represent a decisive break with the divisive racial politics practiced by Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, and lead the nation toward authentic racial reconciliation, might make an Obama presidency worth risking.

It's an enticing prospect for conservatives, but as with so much surrounding the dazzling Mr. Obama, you have to ask whether his record matches the hopes his admirers place in him.

Mr. Obama is not a preacher, but he gives awesome sermons. He is comfortable using religious language in his speeches, and it's easy for conservative Christians to imagine that, despite profound policy differences with the liberal Democrat, he and they share common ground.

If so, it's probably less than they think. Mr. Obama's church is a member of the United Church of Christ, one of the more liberal mainline Protestant denominations. In his writings, he has conceded that he doesn't know what happens after death or "where the soul resides or what existed before the Big Bang."

That's not out of the ordinary for liberal Christian churches, but it may take conservative believers aback. Conservative evangelicals and others who won't vote for Mitt Romney because they believe his Mormonism deviates too widely from traditional Christianity had better not give Mr. Obama a passing glance.

Moreover, Mr. Obama has called his conversion to Christianity "a choice and not an epiphany." He writes of his experience at Chicago's Trinity United Church of Christ as an opening up to the social power of religion. Mr. Obama saw secular salvation in the church's ability to provide community and to give purpose to its members' lives and mobilize them for social change.

Does Mr. Obama believe in God, or does he believe in the church? To put it another way, is his faith fundamentally supernatural or merely social? If you believe the content of a presidential candidate's faith factors into his fitness for office, this could be important.

And then there's Mr. Obama's Muslim question. No, not the smear e-mails making the rounds, preposterously alleging that he is a closeted Muslim. His Muslim problem has a name: Louis Farrakhan.

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who serves as Mr. Obama's pastor and whose sermons brought Mr. Obama to the altar for baptism, is a big fan of the black Muslim minister. Trinity UCC's magazine gave Mr. Farrakhan, infamous for his white-bashing, anti-Semitic sermons, an award last year for his "greatness." Mr. Wright bases his own appeal on explicitly racial lines.

Barack Obama certainly does not, and last week he repudiated Mr. Farrakhan and said he disagrees with his pastor's decision to honor him. This isn't the last we will hear about Pastor Wright, though. His anti-white, hard-left statements – for example, days after 9/11, he gave a sermon saying the attacks were evidence that "the Great White West" had ignored black concerns – will be hard to defend to a mainstream audience. Noting how formative Mr. Wright's influence has been on Mr. Obama's worldview, Rolling Stone observed: "This is as openly radical a background as any significant American political figure has ever emerged from, as much Malcolm X as Martin Luther King Jr."

Few people believe that GOP presidential candidate Ron Paul believes the racist, anti-Semitic things published anonymously in his newsletter. The problem was that Mr. Paul was not sufficiently alarmed by the poison-pen dispatches to distance himself from the creeps writing them. If Mr. Paul takes hits for the company he keeps, shouldn't Mr. Obama?

"We don't agree on everything," Mr. Obama has said of his spiritual mentor. That's not going to cut it once the campaign gets under way. Mr. Obama's unwillingness, so far, to take on his own pastor's racial rhetoric raises doubts about his ability to be the kind of president who can transcend America's identity politics.

That the incendiary Mr. Wright and his role in the candidate's life is still largely unknown shows that the dazzling Mr. Obama has not yet received the kind of close media scrutiny he deserves. That's true, even if Mrs. Clinton says it.

Scripture says faith is evidence of things unseen. Mr. Obama's conservative admirers, in whose number I count myself, should bear in mind that he's merely a secular politician. Before putting faith in Mr. Obama, we need to see more evidence that he's not merely old liberal wine poured into an attractive new wineskin.

Rod Dreher is a Dallas Morning News editorial columnist. His e-mail address is rdreher@dallasnews.com.

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#1. To: All (#0)

Rod Dreher is a Dallas Morning News editorial columnist.

Obama gaggers don't be put off by this particular article.

He is a terrific editorialist/columnist ... with one foot in traditional conservatism and Western Civ values and the other firmly planted in the 21st century.

Browsing his archives is a joy.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-15   16:44:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: iconoclast (#0)

If Mr. Paul takes hits for the company he keeps, shouldn't Mr. Obama?

Well, there are many of us who think Ron Paul should not have taken those hits.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   18:59:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: iconoclast (#0)

I guess the author would rather have Fartman McCain in the WH. I would not.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-15   18:59:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: iconoclast (#1)

Scripture says faith is evidence of things unseen. Mr. Obama's conservative admirers, in whose number I count myself, should bear in mind that he's merely a secular politician. Before putting faith in Mr. Obama, we need to see more evidence that he's not merely old liberal wine poured into an attractive new wineskin.

I'm not put off by Dreher's statements. That paragraph in particular strikes me as quite sensible. Obama is only a secular politician, but, as secular politicians go, he's admirable.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   19:01:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: iconoclast (#0)

America looks too much for religion, entertainment and celebrity, even spiritual uplifting in her politicans.

I view the whole Obama phenomenon as "searching for love in all the wrong places".

Politicians are far better suited to being looked upon as rather more base and normal; good for getting practical things done - roads, schools, wars, actual measurable benefits for the common weal(yes, an ideal) rather than, say, steroids in baseball or in the case of Obama, the transposition onto one individual of wholesale, indiscriminate adoration more like the reverence and devotion heaped upon some maharishi guru type than to the exercise of power, the latter inevitably leading to a widespread disillusionment as the prerogatives of reality intrude.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-02-15   19:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: swarthyguy (#5)

I know what you mean - the people I know who are hardcore obama fans are starting to seem like a cult. I see two problems with that: 1) he will turn out to be less than perfect and they will be crushed, betrayed and angry, and 2) high minded rhetoric isn't gonna cut it in d.c. - the forces he will be up against will be a lot more cynical than the wide-eyed believers who shout "yes we can!" I don't dislike him, but I don't think he walks on water either. he's an awesome public speaker. depending on his agenda, that can be a good or a bad thing. one thing I think - if conservatives end up voting for obama they will probably balance it by voting the other way for congress. some good old fashioned gridlock could be a welcome relief. I'll give the republicans this - they are a much more formidable opposition party than the democrats.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-15   21:50:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: swarthyguy (#5)

I don't believe in the political system even though I vote.

The system is rigged.

Fred Mertz  posted on  2008-02-15   21:55:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: aristeides (#2)

Well, there are many of us who think Ron Paul should not have taken those hits.

I think what Mr. Dreher is saying is that Obama has some serious attacks coming and he better be ready for them.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-16   17:12:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: iconoclast (#8)

Back around last October I was worried about Chris Dodd getting the Dem nomination. I'm I goofy or what?

"Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them." - Charley Reese

Dakmar  posted on  2008-02-16   17:16:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#3)

I guess the author would rather have Fartman McCain in the WH. I would not.

The article was about Republicans switching party affiliation ... he never mentioned McLame. I think he, like most, considers the possibility of a Republican being elected President this year to be nil.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-16   17:16:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: aristeides (#4)

I'm not put off by Dreher's statements.

I see no reason to be, ari.

He states that he admires Obama ... and describes Hillary as "frightful".

I read it as a serious caution Obama to be ready to for some really heavy duty attacks related to race and religion primarily.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-16   17:23:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: swarthyguy (#5)

I view the whole Obama phenomenon as "searching for love in all the wrong places".

You mean like from Republicans? ;-)

Personal charisma has always been and always will be a huge factor in voter decision making.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-16   17:28:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: kiki, swarthyguy (#6)

My gosh, to listen to you two one would never guess he's running against HILLARY!

I don't think he walks on water ... but Hillary?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-16   17:33:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: iconoclast (#0)

Anyone who WANTS to be president of this rotting turkey carcass of a country after what Bushco has done to it has to be INSANE or at least McInsane.

I think McInsane just wants to fire off the nukes. It's something he's always wanted to do. I'm envisioning the final scene in Dr. Strangelove. In fact, I do every time I see his wizened visage.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-02-16   17:43:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: aristeides (#4)

Scripture says faith is evidence of things unseen. Mr. Obama's conservative admirers, in whose number I count myself, should bear in mind that he's merely a secular politician. Before putting faith in Mr. Obama, we need to see more evidence that he's not merely old liberal wine poured into an attractive new wineskin. I'm not put off by Dreher's statements. That paragraph in particular strikes me as quite sensible. Obama is only a secular politician, but, as secular politicians go, he's admirable.

When all is said and done, America may owe Black Obama a debt of great gratitude for aligning white males and black saints into an army that routed Hillary and her femi-Nazi hordes from the political battle field and preserved the land of the free.

Life is a tragedy to those who feel, and a comedy to those who think.

Zoroaster  posted on  2008-02-16   19:14:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Sam Houston (#14)

I think McInsane just wants to fire off the nukes.

Me too .... a real live Dr. Strangelove.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-16   20:22:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: Zoroaster (#15)

When all is said and done, America may owe Black Obama a debt of great gratitude for aligning white males and black saints into an army that routed Hillary and her femi-Nazi hordes from the political battle field and preserved the land of the free.

From your lips to God's ear.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-16   20:24:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: iconoclast (#10)

I guess the author would rather have Fartman McCain in the WH. I would not.

The article was about Republicans switching party affiliation ... he never mentioned McLame. I think he, like most, considers the possibility of a Republican being elected President this year to be nil.

Then, absent any serious 'third party' candidate, the choice given to the consumers is between Hillary and Obama. Whom should the consumers pick? Hillary or Obama?

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-17   7:28:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#18)

Then, absent any serious 'third party' candidate, the choice given to the consumers is between Hillary and Obama. Whom should the consumers pick? Hillary or Obama?

IMO, it's a no-brainer.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-17   8:14:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: iconoclast (#19)

It's great to have a choice in November.

Hillary/Bill, back in 1992 were running on the 'change' ticket. Now, that Hillary's been the nominal spouse of a US prez, she's got 'experience' so she is the candidate of 'experience' while O'bama does 'change'.

Speeches are just words says Hillary in a speech aimed at attacking O'bama. O'bama's speeches only offer 'promises' while Hillary's speeches offer 'solutions', so O'bama is 'hot air' while Hillary is 'liquid' (solutions... got it?).

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-17   8:20:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)

O'bama's speeches only offer 'promises'

Obama offers hope, positiveness, common sense and decency ....... the young people are rushing to it.

I think we owe them our support. It amazes me that after eight years of a constant fear and war mongering that they still grasp optimism.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-17   8:51:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: iconoclast, kiki (#13)

Not a fan of Hillary but in the past 30 years only her husband was able to withstand the Republican Election Machine, twice. Gore and Kerry choked, and even a guy like Cleland was tarred and feathered succesfully.

If Obama wins the Democrat nomination, McCain is our next president.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-02-19   15:39:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: swarthyguy (#22)

In national head-to-head polls taken in February, McCain has a slight lead over Clinton, but it’s not statistically significant, meaning that the apparent difference can’t be distinguished from random variation. The two are essentially even. Obama, on the other hand, is somewhat favored over McCain. In the same February polls, he outperforms McCain by about 5 percentage points on average—a margin that is statistically significant.

blogs.forbes.com/trailwat...8/02/whos-more-elect.html

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-19   16:00:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: robin (#23) (Edited)

Yes, but all that is now.

Obama has only won campaigns for the state legislature in Illinois and beat Keyes for the Senate seat. Hillary has been stymied somewhat in trying to figure out how to conduct political attacks upon a black man that do not alienate the Democratic votes she herself is trying to get.

We shall see what he is made of when the Republicans open up on him with both barrels.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-02-19   16:06:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: swarthyguy (#24)

True, but Hillary's negatives are very high.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-19   16:08:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: robin (#25)

Not as high as Obama's will be after the Rove/Norquist crew is done with him.

I just don't see him beating McCain.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-02-19   16:15:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: swarthyguy (#26)

All McCain needs is one good public temper tantrum and he's cooked.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-19   16:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: swarthyguy (#22)

If Obama wins the Democrat nomination, McCain is our next president.

The Republicans will be rejected more overwhelmingly since the FDR years.

A Clinton nomination is their only super slim chance (IMO).

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-19   21:46:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: swarthyguy (#24)

We shall see what he is made of

Oh my God!

We don't already know what Hillary is made of?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things ... T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-19   21:49:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: robin (#27)

All McCain needs is one good public temper tantrum and he's cooked.

Robin, i don't know about that. his temper is legendary, and here he is the nominee. bush has a temper, more peevish rather than explosive, and certain people have seemed to interpret that as leadership. those people would probably appreciate mccain's version more, seeing it as decisive rather than whiny. I dunno - sometimes I feel like a foreigner in this country.

kiki  posted on  2008-02-19   22:39:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: kiki (#30)

I never expected to see McCain as the nominee. He's insane. I've felt like a foreigner for over a decade.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-19   22:41:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: iconoclast (#29)

Shoulda been made of iron and steel, but she was only made of flesh n blood...

Whatever she's made of, the Clintons are the only ones to have beaten Republicans for the past 30 years.

As far as what Obama is made of, don't know why that's so amazing a statement, considering how Kerry got nailed by the SwiftBoaters, successfully, and never recovered or even responded effectively.

Even Gore really didn't counter Dubya's "charm" offensive or respond effectively to the appeal of a housecleaning.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-02-21   19:18:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: a vast rightwing conspirator (#20)

Hillary's speeches offer 'solutions

a list of hillary's senate accomplishments

Published Dec. 27, 2007

In five years as the most influential Democrat in the Senate, Hillary has managed to get the following laws and resolutions enacted:

• Establish the Kate Mullany National Historic Site

• Support the goals and ideals of Better Hearing and Speech Month

• Recognize the Ellis Island Medal of Honor

• Name courthouse after Thurgood Marshall

• Name courthouse after James L. Watson

• Name post office after John A. O'Shea

• Designate August 7, 2003, as National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Support the goals and ideals of National Purple Heart Recognition Day

• Honor the life and legacy of Alexander Hamilton on the bicentennial of his death

• Congratulate the Syracuse University Orange Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship.

• Congratulate the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning the championship

• Establish the 225th Anniversary of the American Revolution Commemorative Program

• Name post office after Sergeant Riayan A. Tejeda

• Honor Shirley Chisholm for her service to the nation and express condolences on her death

• Honor John J. Downing, Brian Fahey, and Harry Ford, firefighters who lost their lives on duty.

Only five of Clinton's bills are, according to Morris, "substantive":

• Extend period of unemployment assistance to victims of 9/11

• Pay for city projects in response to 9/11

• Assist landmine victims in other countries

• Assist family caregivers in accessing affordable respite care

• Designate part of the National Forest System in Puerto Rico as protected in the Wilderness Preservation System

The experience and accomplishment candidate!

Sheesh!

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-22   7:48:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: swarthyguy (#22)

If Obama wins the Democrat nomination, McCain is our next president.

If McStrangelove is our next president, you can ki$$ yer a$$ goodbye.

Look into his eyes and you see the dead stare (while he is not snarling and grimacing and twisted into various other dark spiritual contortions) of a man possessed by the demon of demons, who is just itching with his trigger finger to nuke large sections of the planet.

“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-02-22   8:34:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Sam Houston (#34)

McCain vs. Obamer would be like Mondale vs. Reagan.

McCain is likely to lose 40+ states. He is also likely to make the mistake of bringing Condi as his VP which will hurt, not help.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-22   13:39:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Sam Houston (#34)

Look into his eyes and you see the dead stare (while he is not snarling and grimacing and twisted into various other dark spiritual contortions) of a man possessed by the demon of demons, who is just itching with his trigger finger to nuke large sections of the planet.

Indeed.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-22   13:42:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Sam Houston (#34)

Guess I don't understand the sheer level of hate that McCain provokes.

Both the left and right basically say the same about him, what you expressed above. Nothing substantial, but just a series of impressions based on his looks and facial expressions, a rather superficial critique.

Anyway, this was Hillary's election to lose, and looks like she has.

swarthyguy  posted on  2008-02-22   13:42:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: swarthyguy (#26)

I just don't see him beating McCain.

I'm archiving this one. ;-)

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-22   13:48:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: swarthyguy (#37)

Guess I don't understand the sheer level of hate that McCain provokes.

"The thought of his being president sends a cold chill down my spine," Cochran said about McCain by phone. "He is erratic. He is hotheaded. He loses his temper and he worries me." Thad Cochran (R) Senator, MS

This morning on "Morning Joe," Pat Buchanan made the very salient point that John McCain is giving us the ultimate straight talk, promising more wars ahead ... and we would be at war with Iran shortly after he would be inaugurated president.

http://blog.reidreport.com/2008/01/thad-cochran-john-mccain-scares-me.html

Pat has also been quoted as saying McCain will make Cheney look like Ghandi.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-22   14:02:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: swarthyguy (#24)

Hillary has been stymied .....

Hillary is stymied at being anything but the injured wife and the shrill feminist, odd combo when you think about it.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-22   14:20:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



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