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Title: The Ignorance Of The Right (ANDREW SULLIVAN)
Source: Andrew Sullivan's Daily Dish
URL Source: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.c ... h/2008/02/the-ignorance-o.html
Published: Feb 15, 2008
Author: Andrew Sullivan
Post Date: 2008-02-15 17:27:03 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 168
Comments: 9

The Ignorance Of The Right

15 Feb 2008 04:11 pm

Here's Victor Davis Hanson:

Under pressure to produce some facts and specifics, the Obama team is beginning to release a little on the economy, taxes, and new entitlements.

Now the reason I balk at this is that I actually sat through a long Obama speech on taxes last year in Washington. I couldn't get through the details there were so many. It bored the pants off me. The notion that Obama has not released details and specifics on economic policy is a fantasy. It's a product of pundit laziness. The cocoon right seems to believe that because they haven't done their homework, Obama hasn't.

And because Obama actually inspires with oratory, they also assume he doesn't have substance. The premise is that you cannot be inspiring and detailed at the same time. Two words: Why not?

What people fail to understand is that in politics, words are also substance. The ability to inspire people is not inherently a dangerous phenomenon. It is sometimes critical to effective governance. Conservatives used to understand this. Perhaps Churchill's greatest actual weapon was the English language. It did things no bureaucrat, soldier, armament, or policy could do. The core of Ronald Reagan's success was his rhetorical ability to reach over the heads of the Washington process to the people who can force Washington to change: the American people. And I don't recall conservatives decrying the rhetoric of hope reacting to George W. Bush's inspired speeches after 9/11.

Look: flim-flam and emotional hysteria are dangerous things. There are moments when Obama's rhetoric gets the better of his common sense. But the record shows that he also does have common sense - more common sense than Charles Krauthammer or me when it came to predicting the practical consequences of an Iraq occupation. And if a potential president has a head on his shoulders and is able to inspire millions, what on earth is wrong with that?

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the record shows that he also does have common sense - more common sense than Charles Krauthammer or me when it came to predicting the practical consequences of an Iraq occupation

Good touch, that "or me."

I have to admit that I too was mistaken about the Iraq war at the start.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   17:28:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: aristeides (#0)

The notion that Obama has not released details and specifics on economic policy is a fantasy. It's a product of pundit laziness.

That's what came out in a 60 Minutes interview. In the past Obama was criticized for being boring with too many details.

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robin  posted on  2008-02-15   17:31:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: aristeides (#0)

Now the reason I balk at this is that I actually sat through a long Obama speech on taxes last year in Washington.

Different audience.

Over a 100 year span only some four thousand blacks and 1300 whites were lynched. That equates to an average of 40 per year for blacks and 13 per year for whites. And prior to that, more whites than blacks were lynched.

Factually speaking, lynching was applied sparingly and for heinous crimes. Today thousands suffer heinous crimes of murder, rape, disfigurement and other mayhem and the authorities do very little.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-15   18:58:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Tauzero (#3)

Different audience.

Meaning that you don't give a detailed program of actions to an audience at a political rally. That's just tailoring your speech for the audience.

To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-15   19:03:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: aristeides (#0)

I see the beginning of an opportunistic love affair here.

With nearly all intelligent and honest conservatives either turned old, dead, Republican or insane, a lib'ral that's intelligent and not evil has some significant appeal to lonely and bleeding hearts.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-16   7:19:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: aristeides (#1)

I have to admit that I too was mistaken about the Iraq war at the start.

I was not because I stared into Bush's eyes before he got the WH job and all I saw was, inside the shallowness of his dark soul, was a petty, resentful, evil retard who, like a Biblical plague, could only bring abuse, waste and disaster.

Antiparty - find out why, think about 'how'

a vast rightwing conspirator  posted on  2008-02-16   7:24:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: aristeides (#4)

Coworker of mine -- middle of the road guy, certainly not a rightist -- volunteered that he had watched Obama a few times and Obama didn't give much substance.

The "right" pundits are correct; Sullivan's trick here is easy to see through.

Few specifics before the voting public helps increase Obama's popularity.

Over a 100 year span only some four thousand blacks and 1300 whites were lynched. That equates to an average of 40 per year for blacks and 13 per year for whites. And prior to that, more whites than blacks were lynched.

Factually speaking, lynching was applied sparingly and for heinous crimes. Today thousands suffer heinous crimes of murder, rape, disfigurement and other mayhem and the authorities do very little.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-18   11:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Tauzero (#7)

and Obama didn't give much substance

In 60 Minutes it was revealed that Obama was criticized early on that he gave too many details and was boring. So he modified his approach and now he is criticized for not stating enough.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-18   11:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: robin (#8)

So?

Does he give more or less detail than other candidates?

Over a 100 year span only some four thousand blacks and 1300 whites were lynched. That equates to an average of 40 per year for blacks and 13 per year for whites. And prior to that, more whites than blacks were lynched.

Factually speaking, lynching was applied sparingly and for heinous crimes. Today thousands suffer heinous crimes of murder, rape, disfigurement and other mayhem and the authorities do very little.

Tauzero  posted on  2008-02-18   11:57:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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