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Title: Ron Paul: Running on empty, but still running...
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URL Source: http://www.munciefreepress.com/node/18644
Published: Feb 17, 2008
Author: Rex Bell
Post Date: 2008-02-17 11:29:31 by angle
Keywords: None
Views: 277
Comments: 16

Ron Paul's decision to forego a third party presidential bid this fall, along with any chance of being on the ballot, has left a lot of Libertarians and Constitutionalists, along with a lot of disgruntled Republicans, Democrats and Independents, with somewhat of an empty feeling. It's been a couple of hundred years since a candidate with Paul's passion for a Constitutionaly limited government has captured as much national attention. (Dr.Paul received more votes from Republican primaries on just Super Tuesday than any Libertarian Party candidate has in any general election since I've been affiliated with the party.) His decision not to run dashed a lot of hopes.

It would be easy to become discouraged that the vision for limited government didn't catch on this year. It would be easy to simply give in and give up. But I remember about 40 years ago when I was taking a karate class, and the instructor (I can't remember his correct title), would put us through some horrific exercises that required more endurance than most of us felt we had. When the last student gave up and dropped his arms, the instructor explained that someday we might be in a situation when the desire and ability to persevere would be the only thing that would keep us alive. There might come a time when can't count on someone else to save you.

I think that is where we are today. If you were one of those people that supported Ron Paul's push for limited government, personal freedom and personal responsibility, it didn't take too many primaries to figure out that the bulk of the Republican Party is no longer interested in promoting those concepts. Neither are they considered options by the Democrats.

So then what? We could give up, but I'm pretty sure we wouldn't like the results of that. Or, we could continue to fight. The Libertarian Party will nominate it's Presidential candidate this May. Although I don't know who that candidate will be, they will be the only candidate on most ballots that endorse limited government. I'm fairly certain it will be someone that holds most of the same libertarian values of Dr. Paul. I'm also fairly certain that the candidate won't have the name recognition of Dr. Paul, or the fundraising capabilities of the Paul campaign. I pretty sure the candidate won't garner as many votes as Ron Paul would if he was on the ballot.

But the Libertarian candidate will give limited government supporters a chance to vote for limited government. And a chance to hang on and keep fighting.

There are a lot of ways to give up. I'm afraid all of them end badly.

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#1. To: angle (#0)

(Dr.Paul received more votes from Republican primaries on just Super Tuesday than any Libertarian Party candidate has in any general election since I've been affiliated with the party.) His decision not to run dashed a lot of hopes.

indeed

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robin  posted on  2008-02-17   11:40:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: angle, all (#0)

Don't bury President Paul yet. I received this email and it outlines a strategy where the delegates - at the convention - will choose RP over the primary winner McCain. Some might think this is a long shot, given that party delegates are the creatures who live for this recognition, but at least some of the more committed think it's a real possibility, this despite it never happening before.

Opinions?

From: ed f Subject: great news!
Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2008 11:57:57 -0500

From dailypaul:

Delegates!!! McCain is not a lock for the nominee.....here is the math.... Please keep this post current
Posted February 13th, 2008 by GiveMeLiberty Some are it again on this site, saying that McCain will be the nominee.....
I wish you people understood the delegate process and stop folding like a house of cards.....if that were the case, don't you think RP would have quit by now? Do some research!!!!
When McCain reaches 1191 as declared by the MSM, that will really not be the case. He is not guaranteed all of those delegates.
HE MUST WIN THE 1191 DELEGATES AT THE CONVENTION!!!!
DID YOU GET THAT!!!!
HE DOES NOT WIN THE DELEGATES DURING THE PRIMARIES!!!
Bound or pledged delegates are committed to the winner of the primary to vote for that candidate in the first round.
Many states have yet to pick delegates. Of those that have, RP has very high delegate counts even though he hasn't won a single primary. How? Well people just simply apply. More of RP supporters are willing to become delegates than McCaine supporters.....Ask some here that have become RP delegates.
The primaries and caucases are nothing more than window dressing. Delegates are not chosen the day of the primary/caucas.
The only thing the primaries/caucases do is commit the BOUND/PLEDGED delegates to the winner either by winner take all or proportioned out.
At the convention, there will be bound.pledged and unbound/unpledged delegates. NOT ALL DELEGATES FOR EACH STATE ARE BOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The unbound/unpledged can vote for anyone!!!!!
At the convention, if McInsane does not get 51% of the delegate vote on the first round, then they vote again. In the next round, delegates can vote for whomever they want.
Read and learn please!!!!! and spread the word to everyone you can.
. . According to the sight below, here are the bound and unbound totals as of today.....McCain has 796 bound and 18 unbound delegates.
http://www.thegreenpapers...
Now lets do some math: McCain needs 395 bound delegates to reach 1191 Of the remaining states:
texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound
ohio - 88 UNBOUND
South Dakota - 24 bound and 3 unbound
wisconsin - 37 bound and 3 unbound
vermont - 17 bound
idaho - 26 bound and 6 unbound
hawaii - 20 bound
pennsylvannia - 74 UNBOUND
oregon - 27 bound and 3 unbound
puerto rico - 20 bound and 3 unbound
north carolina - 69 bound
indianna - 27 bound and 30 UNBOUND
kentucky - 45 bound
mississippi - 36 bound and 3 unbound
RI - 17 bound and 3 unbound
nebraska - 30 bound and 3 unbound
new mexico - 29 bound and 3 unbound

. There are 561 bound delegates left of which Mr. McCain must win 71% of to reach 1191.....now when was the last time he won with 71% of the vote?
Now Huck will probably win nebraska, kentucky, miss, and SD.......if this happens, then McCain would have to win just about every remaining delegate, and that is not likely to happen.
Basically, McCain would almost have to run the board of the other states to win......not likely.
. . Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe Vermont is the only winner take all state remaining, so even if McCain wins a state, he does not get all of the bound delegates.
. . THE MSM IS LUMPING BOTH BOUND AND UNBOUND IN THEIR TOTALS.......VERY MISLEADING

. So get your heads out of the MSM garbage!!! . .

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-17   11:52:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

It ain't over till the fat lady sings.

We still have 9 months left, and a lot can happen in that short time.

Pern  posted on  2008-02-17   12:24:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: Pern (#3)

So he could actually have received a tiny % of the vote, yet win the majority of the unbound delegates at the convention thus becoming the nominee. Has it ever happened before?

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-17   12:37:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Jethro Tull, Pern, all (#2)

Texas - 137 bound and 3 unbound

Huh?

We haven't even had our primary - it's March 4th.

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Lod  posted on  2008-02-17   12:44:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

Has it ever happened before?

To be honest, I don't think so.

But I'm not giving up until Election Day, and if RP's not on the ticket, I stay home.

The Republican Party can have their RINO, and they will surely lose if they nominate McCain.

Pern  posted on  2008-02-17   12:49:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Jethro Tull (#4)

So he could actually have received a tiny % of the vote, yet win the majority of the unbound delegates at the convention thus becoming the nominee. Has it ever happened before?

Yes it did, once. The eventual winner arrived at the convention with 22 delegates, needing 226, I think, in order to win. The front runner had about 200 delegates at the start.

The year was 1860 and the winning longshot underdog was Abraham Lincoln.

Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution

Critter  posted on  2008-02-17   12:56:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: Pern (#6)

See post above this one to JT.

Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution

Critter  posted on  2008-02-17   12:56:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

Hey! Wow. That's a very provocative post. And YOU posted it. What's your current position on the state of things?

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-17   13:13:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Critter (#8)

Good research, Critter.

Pern  posted on  2008-02-17   13:23:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Critter (#8)

I don't know how accurate this is and I don't know how to become a delegate.

www.ronpaulwarroom.com/? p=5150

How Ron Paul Will Win or Can Win. Clever Strategy (if it works).

We must become delegates.

PEOPLE PLEASE READ THIS SO YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THAT WE CAN WIN THE NOMINATION AND STOP LISTENING TO THE MSM FOR YOUR INFO!

Let me explain to you the reality of how to become the nominee.

First stop looking at who wins each states popular vote for most of these states the vote by the people is really nothing but a straw poll and have no real bearing on who will become the nominee. The only way this matters is if 1 person receives 1192 delegates that are bound by state rules to be committed to that candidate. NOW there is no possible way that anyone in the race can achieve this goal now because of the major split in state wins by the candidates.

So what happens now you ask? You look at the number of delegates that Dr. Paul has that are uncommitted to the other candidates and will support him. These delegates are not decided by the popular vote i.e.: straw poll of the people. Since no one will have enough delegates to skate them through to the nomination we now must look at how many delegates (NOT VOTES) but delegates Dr. Paul has that are 100% uncommitted to the other candidates and will be 100% for Dr. Paul and are free to vote for whom they wish.

This race will go all the way to the convention for there is no other way for someone to receive the nomination until the convention.

The RNC will convene its annual Winter Meeting - and voters will continue to cast their ballots in the nation’s primaries and caucuses. Candidates for delegate and alternate delegate to the convention will be elected - and thousands of convention participants and guests will begin planning their trips to Minneapolis-Saint Paul < font color=blue>the first week in September 2008.

SO WHAT DOES ALL THIS MEAN? This means that all of the people that registered to become a delegate for Dr. Paul can go to the convention and cast their vote for Dr. Paul, now think about what I just said : Do you think for one second that all the people that voted for Dr. Paul and filed to become a delegate will not show up at the convention to vote for the good Doctor? Of course they will just like they battled the rain and the sleet and the 15 below zero winter weather to knock on doors and wave signs spreading our message.

Now I assure you that even though we didn’t win the popular vote in many states WE DID PICK UP THE MAJORITY OF DELEGATES THAN ALL THE OTHER CANDIDATES IN MOST EVERY STATE EXCEPT A FEW. So yes they won the straw poll and we won what counts which are delegates.

Doesn’t Dr. Paul need to WIN 5 states to be on the ballot at the convention for the nomination?

NO, THIS IS NOT TRUE for people were just confused on how it actually works. We only need the majority of delegates from 5 states to be put on the ballot NOT THE POPULAR VOTE OF 5 STATES and I assure you we have picked up the majority of uncommitted delegates for Dr. Paul in more than 5 states.

Do any of you remember seeing posts that said BECOME A DELEGATE? There is still time in most states to become a delegate for the convention and we are picking up more of them every day.

So please STOP you worry too much because you do not understand how the election system works and you thought we lost didn’t you?

The fact is Dr. Paul is a genius in his strategy and we are further ahead in delegates than you think and we can win the nomination.

I hope this gives a better understanding of how we have been winning even though most of you thought we were not.

NOW LET’S KEEP WORKING.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-17   13:24:01 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Jethro Tull (#2)

There are 561 bound delegates left of which Mr. McCain must win 71% of to reach 1191.....now when was the last time he won with 71% of the vote?

He won't get 71% of the popular R vote, but that's not what he needs. What he needs is, on average, a plurality of the vote in 71% of the states. That is easier to get. A lot easier though still not a clinch.

What we need is a realistic breakdown on each of the remaining states.

I'm happy to keep hopin'.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-17   13:31:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Pinguinite (#12)

Just posting info as I've received it. I don't kow ho w accurate it is.

Supporter: Brokered Convention? How likely? Here are the numbers.

By ohioforpaul08 | February 13, 2008

I used numbers that actually favor McCain(the same one’s MSM uses) I gave him all the delegates from Florida even though not all of Florida’s delegate were “winner take all”. Anyway, I wrote this in TextEdit, I hope everything pastes lined up correctly.

McCain Romney Huck Paul

AL 18 0 23 0 Bound

AK 3 12 6 5 UnBound

AR 1 1 29 0 Bound - 1 Round

CA 152 6 0 0 Bound - 2 Rounds

CO 0 43 0 0 Bound - 1 Round

CT 27 0 0 0 Bound - 1 Round

DE 18 0 0 0 Bound - 1 Round

FL 57 0 0 0 Bound - 2 Rounds

GA 21 3 48 0 Bound - 2 Rounds

IL 54 3 0 0 Bound

IA 0 7 30 0 UnBound

KS 0 0 36 0 Bound - 1 Round

ME 0 18 0 0 UnBound

MA 18 22 0 0 Bound - 1 Round

MI 6 23 1 0 Bound - 1 Round

MN 0 38 0 0 24 Unbound -14- 1RD

MO 58 0 0 0 Bound - 1 Round

MT 0 25 0 0 UnBound

NV 4 17 3 4 UnBound

NH 12 7 4 1 Bound

NJ 52 0 0 0 UnBound

NY 101 0 0 0 UnBound

ND 5 8 5 5 Bound- 1 Round

OK 32 0 6 0 Bound

SC 19 0 5 0 Bound - 2 Rounds

TN 18 11 23 0 Bound - 2 Rounds

UT 0 36 0 0 Bound - 1 Round

WV 0 0 15 3 Bound - 1 Round

WY 0 8 0 0 Unbound

Total 516 177 195 9 Bound

Total 160 111 39 9 Unbound

Remaining States

Louisiana 02/09 20 C- Awaiting Breakdown Bound- 1 Round

Washington 02/09 18 - Awaiting Breakdown UnBound

Virginia 02/12 63 W Bound- 1 Round

Maryland 02/12 37 C Bound- 2 Rounds

District of Columbia 02/12 19 W C Bound

Wisconsin 02/19 40 Bound

American Samoa 02/23 9 UnBound

Puerto Rico 02/24 23 Bound- 1 Round

Texas 03/04 140 Bound- 3 Rounds

Ohio 03/04 88 UnBound

Rhode Island 03/04 20 Bound

Vermont 03/04 17 W Bound - 2 Rounds

Mississippi 03/10 39 Bound

Virgin Islands 04/04 9 “Morally Bound”

Pennsylvania 04/22 74 C UnBound

North Carolina 05/06 69 “Morally Bound”

Indiana 05/06 57 Bound- 1 Round

Nebraska 05/13 33 Bound- 2 Rounds

Hawaii 05/16 20 C Bound- 1 Round

Kentucky 05/20 45 C Bound

Oregon 05/20 30 C Bound- 2 Rounds

Idaho 05/27 32 Bound- 1 Round

New Mexico 06/03 32 C Bound- 1 Round

South Dakota 06/03 27 C Bound- 1 Round

Total Bound Remaining: 694

Total Unbound Remaining (Includes Morally Bound): 267

To lock up the nomination McCain would need to secure 675 of the 694 Bound delegates remaining. We need to spread this. The MSM is reporting that he is the GOP nominee.

From:

www.paulunteer.com/ ron-paul- supporters-in-their-own-words/ supporter- brokered-convention-how-likely-here-are-the-numbers

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-17   13:48:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: angle (#9)

Well, who knew? This email list I'm on has been a source of great info throughout the years, so as critter said, it's possible. I'd love nothing more than to turn this system on it's head and this would.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-17   14:43:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#14)

Well, who knew?

I'd love nothing more than to turn this system on it's head and this would.

OK then. Good to hear.

We demand our United States Constitution be restored.

angle  posted on  2008-02-17   16:05:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: angle (#13)

To lock up the nomination McCain would need to secure 675 of the 694 Bound delegates remaining. We need to spread this.

That's definitely good news, though on the first round of voting he's certainly going to get some percentage of the unbound delegates, so we should recognize a safety margin is needed, probably of a couple hundred delegates at least.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-02-17   16:14:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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