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Title: Obama, Clinton would consider suspending immigration raids
Source:
The Border Line
URL Source: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont ... _clinton_would_consider_s.html
Published: Feb 22, 2008
Author: Eunice Moscoso
Post Date: 2008-02-22 19:41:41 by buckeye
Keywords: Obama, Clinton, Immigration Reform
Views: 596
Comments: 26
During a Democratic presidential debate in Austin, Texas, Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton said they would consider suspending work site immigration raids until Congress passes an immigration overhaul which includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. “When we see what’s been happening, with literally babies being left with no one to take care of them, children coming home from school, no responsible adult left, that is not the America that I know,” Clinton said. Other immigration highlights from the debate: Clinton: “We need a path to legalization, to bring the immigrants out of the shadows, give them the conditions that we expect them to meet, paying a fine for coming here illegally, trying to pay back taxes, over time, and learning English. If they had a committed a crime in our country or the country they came from, then they should be deported. But for everyone else, there must be a path to legalization.” Obama: “It is absolutely critical that we tone down the rhetoric when it comes to the immigration debate, because there has been an undertone that has been ugly. Oftentimes, it has been directed at the Hispanic community. We have seen hate crimes skyrocket in the wake of the immigration debate…and that is unacceptable.” Obama on the border fence: “There may be areas where it makes sense to have some fencing. But for the most part, having border patrolled, surveillance, deploying effective technology, that’s going to be the better approach.” To read more about the debate, click here.
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#11. To: buckeye (#0)
What in the world is applaudable about that shameful period of our history?
I would ask what is applaudable in thinking Bush was any better?
I have stated several times that Bush wins the "worst President in history" label with LBJ and Lincoln tied for a distant 2nd and 3rd. Two straight decades of shame and folks here wonder why I'm voting for Obama?
Obama will be worse.
You have many admirable qualities my friend, but prescience is a stretch. ;-)
Here is my argument: That's it.
Here is my argument: A) Obama is not the Democrat establishment candidate, Hillary was ... she approached the campaign as toe-dancing to her coronation. B) Obama talks like a conciliator, Reaganesque if you will. C) Last must but not least, the Plutocrat, CINO party must be destroyed. First create a real constitutionalist party (which will take a while, to put it mildly) and then take on the single parties with the faux CINO's weakened to a point that they will be considered the "third" party.
I just don't believe the parties are different in any fundamental way. That's the scheme. Read The Anglo-American Establishment by Clinton's mentor, Carroll Quigley. Cecil Rhodes envisioned a web of influence in which the various factions would continue working toward the same goals regardless of which one were in power at the time.
Exactly, and precisely why I propose the longer but only effective (flanking) strategy. The Cino party must be obliterated.
#26. To: iconoclast (#25)
They can't be destroyed by voting against one by voting for the other. That's illogical.
Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/Latest"Well, I think everybody here knows I've lived through some crises and some challenging moments in my life," she said, drawing applause.
#12. To: iconoclast (#11)
What in the world is applaudable about that shameful period of our history?
#14. To: buckeye (#12)
I would ask what is applaudable in thinking Bush was any better?
#15. To: iconoclast (#14)
#19. To: buckeye (#15)
Obama will be worse.
#21. To: iconoclast (#19)
You have many admirable qualities my friend, but prescience is a stretch. ;-)
The Establishment may be done in Iraq anyway. All major candidates have said that it's possible to draw down our forces anyway. Obama is just running to the same play, only a little more directly.
#23. To: buckeye (#21)
Here is my argument:
#24. To: iconoclast (#23)
#25. To: buckeye (#24)
I just don't believe the parties are different in any fundamental way.
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