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Title: Obama, Clinton would consider suspending immigration raids
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The Border Line
URL Source: http://www.statesman.com/blogs/cont ... _clinton_would_consider_s.html
Published: Feb 22, 2008
Author: Eunice Moscoso
Post Date: 2008-02-22 19:41:41 by buckeye
Keywords: Obama, Clinton, Immigration Reform
Views: 574
Comments: 26
During a Democratic presidential debate in Austin, Texas, Sens. Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton said they would consider suspending work site immigration raids until Congress passes an immigration overhaul which includes a path to citizenship for illegal immigrants. “When we see what’s been happening, with literally babies being left with no one to take care of them, children coming home from school, no responsible adult left, that is not the America that I know,” Clinton said. Other immigration highlights from the debate: Clinton: “We need a path to legalization, to bring the immigrants out of the shadows, give them the conditions that we expect them to meet, paying a fine for coming here illegally, trying to pay back taxes, over time, and learning English. If they had a committed a crime in our country or the country they came from, then they should be deported. But for everyone else, there must be a path to legalization.” Obama: “It is absolutely critical that we tone down the rhetoric when it comes to the immigration debate, because there has been an undertone that has been ugly. Oftentimes, it has been directed at the Hispanic community. We have seen hate crimes skyrocket in the wake of the immigration debate…and that is unacceptable.” Obama on the border fence: “There may be areas where it makes sense to have some fencing. But for the most part, having border patrolled, surveillance, deploying effective technology, that’s going to be the better approach.” To read more about the debate, click here.
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#1. To: buckeye (#0)
It's time for a bloody revolution and bodies swinging from lamp posts.
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
This is not a pro-McCain ping.
What immigration raids?
'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.' They've been happening to some extent. But you make a good point. They're just more blatant in their pro-illegal pandering than McCain is. It's hard to say which of the three would be worse in that regard.
But no mention of the far more numerous crimes committed by illegal aliens against American citizens.
Simply put, if you want to move to this country, you should come here legally. If you come here illegally, you should be deported. But the illegals are not the ones who make my blood boil, it's the employers who hire the illegals that need to be dealt with severely. I'd recommend fines of thousands of dollars per day per illegal hired, and that would be for a first offense. Second offense would mean mandatory jail time of at least six months, in addition to triple the fines of the first offense. Now, if we actually had a government of "We the People" something like this could be enacted. But we live in an oligarchic dictatorship, so nothing is going to change short of revolt.
#2. To: ghostdogtxn, Brian S, aristeides, iconoclast, Elliott Jackalope, Cynicom, a vast rightwing conspirator, swarthyguy, Zoroaster, Artisan, angle (#0)
#3. To: buckeye (#0)
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#4. To: robin (#3)
#5. To: buckeye (#0)
(Edited)
We have seen hate crimes skyrocket in the wake of the immigration debate…and that is unacceptable.”
I've already said too much.
#6. To: buckeye (#2)
(Edited)
 | Gold and silver are REAL money, paper is but a promise. |
#7. To: MUDDOG (#5)
that would be racist
But no mention of the crimes committed by illegal aliens against American citizens.
Two wings of the same bird. Vote all you want, the flight plan doesn't change.
#8. To: Elliott Jackalope (#6)
The employers are just immoral opportunists. The American politicians and judges who ignore their lawbreaking, codify it in agreements like the SPP and proposed legislation like S. 1348, and refer to it as traditional American values in interviews and speeches? They're destroying our country.
#9. To: Elliott Jackalope (#6)
About the most we can hope for is when "We The People" block some bill, as when the American people blocked the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill.
Now, if we actually had a government of "We the People" something like this could be enacted. But we live in an oligarchic dictatorship, so nothing is going to change short of revolt.
I've already said too much.
#10. To: MUDDOG (#9)
We did not win. We got HR 1955 and McCain/Obama/Clinton as front runners in response.
About the most we can hope for is when "We The People" block some bill, as when the American people blocked the McCain-Kennedy amnesty bill.
#11. To: buckeye (#0)
What in the world is applaudable about that shameful period of our history?
"Well, I think everybody here knows I've lived through some crises and some challenging moments in my life," she said, drawing applause.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#12. To: iconoclast (#11)
I would ask what is applaudable in thinking Bush was any better?
What in the world is applaudable about that shameful period of our history?
#13. To: buckeye (#8)
EMPLOYERS are the root cause of the problem and the most obvious place to start. But, the sham raids are the non-answer that our elected un-representives choose to tamp down public outrage until they can manage to pass their single party amnesty bill.
The employers are
just immoral opportunists.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#14. To: buckeye (#12)
I have stated several times that Bush wins the "worst President in history" label with LBJ and Lincoln tied for a distant 2nd and 3rd. Two straight decades of shame and folks here wonder why I'm voting for Obama?
I would ask what is applaudable in thinking Bush was any better?
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#15. To: iconoclast (#14)
Obama will be worse.
#16. To: buckeye (#10)
We did not win. I think it's called "hold that line" and when confronted with the next bill (which we surely will be) we must apply our opposition just as vigorously. We got HR 1955 Yepers, and it passed the House with 404 votes. Republicans voting NO were: John 'Jimmy' Duncan, Jeff Flake, Dana Rohrabacher 'Splain that one.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#17. To: buckeye (#2)
Not when McCain is as much for amnesty and open borders as his so-called opponents.
This is not a pro-McCain ping.
#18. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#17)
The grip of the tyrants is getting stronger, not weaker.
#19. To: buckeye (#15)
You have many admirable qualities my friend, but prescience is a stretch. ;-)
Obama will be worse.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#20. To: buckeye (#0)
Why not, we have illegal immigrants running the highest places of political office?
#21. To: iconoclast (#19)
Here is my argument: That's it.
You have many admirable qualities my friend, but prescience is a stretch. ;-)
The Establishment may be done in Iraq anyway. All major candidates have said that it's possible to draw down our forces anyway. Obama is just running to the same play, only a little more directly.
#22. To: christine (#7)
that would be racist
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
Lord Acton
#23. To: buckeye (#21)
Here is my argument: A) Obama is not the Democrat establishment candidate, Hillary was ... she approached the campaign as toe-dancing to her coronation. B) Obama talks like a conciliator, Reaganesque if you will. C) Last must but not least, the Plutocrat, CINO party must be destroyed. First create a real constitutionalist party (which will take a while, to put it mildly) and then take on the single parties with the faux CINO's weakened to a point that they will be considered the "third" party.
Here is my argument:
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#24. To: iconoclast (#23)
I just don't believe the parties are different in any fundamental way. That's the scheme. Read The Anglo-American Establishment by Clinton's mentor, Carroll Quigley. Cecil Rhodes envisioned a web of influence in which the various factions would continue working toward the same goals regardless of which one were in power at the time.
#25. To: buckeye (#24)
Exactly, and precisely why I propose the longer but only effective (flanking) strategy. The Cino party must be obliterated.
I just don't believe the parties are different in any fundamental way.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
#26. To: iconoclast (#25)
They can't be destroyed by voting against one by voting for the other. That's illogical.
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