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Title: Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age
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URL Source: http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=332289
Published: Feb 25, 2008
Author: Lorne Gunter
Post Date: 2008-02-25 17:02:23 by angle
Keywords: None
Views: 752
Comments: 59

Posted by angle at the request of Cynicom:

Snow cover over North America and much of Siberia, Mongolia and China is greater than at any time since 1966.

The U.S. National Climatic Data Center (NCDC) reported that many American cities and towns suffered record cold temperatures in January and early February. According to the NCDC, the average temperature in January "was -0.3 F cooler than the 1901-2000 (20th century) average."

China is surviving its most brutal winter in a century. Temperatures in the normally balmy south were so low for so long that some middle-sized cities went days and even weeks without electricity because once power lines had toppled it was too cold or too icy to repair them.

There have been so many snow and ice storms in Ontario and Quebec in the past two months that the real estate market has felt the pinch as home buyers have stayed home rather than venturing out looking for new houses.

In just the first two weeks of February, Toronto received 70 cm of snow, smashing the record of 66.6 cm for the entire month set back in the pre-SUV, pre-Kyoto, pre-carbon footprint days of 1950.

And remember the Arctic Sea ice? The ice we were told so hysterically last fall had melted to its "lowest levels on record? Never mind that those records only date back as far as 1972 and that there is anthropological and geological evidence of much greater melts in the past.

The ice is back.

Gilles Langis, a senior forecaster with the Canadian Ice Service in Ottawa, says the Arctic winter has been so severe the ice has not only recovered, it is actually 10 to 20 cm thicker in many places than at this time last year.

OK, so one winter does not a climate make. It would be premature to claim an Ice Age is looming just because we have had one of our most brutal winters in decades.

But if environmentalists and environment reporters can run around shrieking about the manmade destruction of the natural order every time a robin shows up on Georgian Bay two weeks early, then it is at least fair game to use this winter's weather stories to wonder whether the alarmist are being a tad premature.

And it's not just anecdotal evidence that is piling up against the climate-change dogma.

According to Robert Toggweiler of the Geophysical Fluid Dynamics Laboratory at Princeton University and Joellen Russell, assistant professor of biogeochemical dynamics at the University of Arizona -- two prominent climate modellers -- the computer models that show polar ice-melt cooling the oceans, stopping the circulation of warm equatorial water to northern latitudes and triggering another Ice Age (a la the movie The Day After Tomorrow) are all wrong.

"We missed what was right in front of our eyes," says Prof. Russell. It's not ice melt but rather wind circulation that drives ocean currents northward from the tropics. Climate models until now have not properly accounted for the wind's effects on ocean circulation, so researchers have compensated by over-emphasizing the role of manmade warming on polar ice melt.

But when Profs. Toggweiler and Russell rejigged their model to include the 40-year cycle of winds away from the equator (then back towards it again), the role of ocean currents bringing warm southern waters to the north was obvious in the current Arctic warming.

Last month, Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, shrugged off manmade climate change as "a drop in the bucket." Showing that solar activity has entered an inactive phase, Prof. Sorokhtin advised people to "stock up on fur coats."

He is not alone. Kenneth Tapping of our own National Research Council, who oversees a giant radio telescope focused on the sun, is convinced we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon.

The last time the sun was this inactive, Earth suffered the Little Ice Age that lasted about five centuries and ended in 1850. Crops failed through killer frosts and drought. Famine, plague and war were widespread. Harbours froze, so did rivers, and trade ceased.

It's way too early to claim the same is about to happen again, but then it's way too early for the hysteria of the global warmers, too.

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#4. To: angle (#0)

we are in for a long period of severely cold weather if sunspot activity does not pick up soon

But, but, but, but....all the "climate change" people say the Sun has nothing to do with it!

Wankers...

mirage  posted on  2008-02-25   17:15:24 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: mirage (#4)

I don't think the experts say sun spots have no impact, but that there is another factor at play now too.

www.physicalgeography.net/fundamentals/7y.html

robin  posted on  2008-02-25   17:27:25 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#5)

The experts keep saying that Solar Activity has no effect. Its all Greenhouse Gas emissions.

mirage  posted on  2008-02-25   17:40:06 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: mirage (#6)

No they don't, they are just more concerned about the rapid increase in CO2 that's all.

Look at that link, it's basic science, and it includes solar activity.

Also, we have no control over solar activity, but perhaps we can control some of the CO2.

robin  posted on  2008-02-25   17:44:53 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: robin, mirage (#7)

Also, we have no control over solar activity, but perhaps we can control some of the CO2.

Here is a fact; the more CO2 there is, the more green plants there are.

Period.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-25   18:20:58 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: richard9151 (#13)

Here is a fact; the more CO2 there is, the more green plants there are.

Another fact is, the more CO2 there is, the warmer the atmosphere becomes. The warmer the atmosphere becomes, the more CO2 is generated by the earth. And so forth and so forth...

Natural cycles balance out over time, however, with the input of manmade CO2 into the picture, natural cycles are no longer in balance, and can possibly go out of control. It is that possibility that concerns scientists, and certainly qualifies for more extensive scrutiny.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-25   18:53:50 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: FormerLurker (#25)

Another fact is, the more CO2 there is, the warmer the atmosphere becomes. The warmer the atmosphere becomes, the more CO2 is generated by the earth.

And the lusher the earth becomes. I fail to see any problem with that.

Esp. when the so-called problem is being used as an excuse to tax and control rather than address the myrid problem that DO exist. And the first thing that needs to be done is find a replacement for gas engines. Want to bet on that happening?

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-25   18:58:34 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: richard9151 (#26)

And the lusher the earth becomes. I fail to see any problem with that.

The surface of Venus is an example of what could happen. Look it up, the surface temperatures are around 800-900 °F, just a tad bit too hot for the casual sunbather I believe..

Temperature on the Surface of Venus

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-25   19:06:33 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: FormerLurker (#31)

Isn't Venus a little closer to the Sun than we are?

But I forget; according to global warming "scientists" - the Sun has no effect on warming, which is why, obviously, Pluto is a tropical paradise....

You'll excuse me while I mock the fools.

mirage  posted on  2008-02-25   19:10:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: mirage, richard9151, farmfriend (#32)

Here's a little further info on Venus, and what a runaway greenhouse effect really is...

From Wikipedia

Studies have suggested that several billion years ago Venus's atmosphere was much more like Earth's than it is now, and that there were probably substantial quantities of liquid water on the surface, but a runaway greenhouse effect was caused by the evaporation of that original water, which generated a critical level of greenhouse gases in its atmosphere.[20]

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-25   19:33:57 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: FormerLurker, mirage, farmfriend, all (#37)

The Worst Is Yet To Come

I will give all of you a little clue as to what is going on; stop paying attention to the non-sense that is going around and which is being used to distract you from what is REALLY happening.

Kamala just posted the above: I would STRONGLY urge you to read it.... like twice starting RIGHT NOW.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-25   19:45:39 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: richard9151 (#38)

Kamala just posted the above: I would STRONGLY urge you to read it.... like twice starting RIGHT NOW.

The collapse of a government or a society is NOTHING compared to the collapse of a planet. Go try living on Venus for a bit to see what I mean.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-26   2:00:28 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: FormerLurker (#43)

The collapse of a government or a society is NOTHING compared to the collapse of a planet. Go try living on Venus for a bit to see what I mean.

Curious. Does nothing dent your head?

If the society collaspes........ where do the so-called green house gases come from? Or are these some kind of magic gases?

When I eat a lot of beans I seem to have that kind of gas...... magic I mean. But maybe thats just because my s--- don't stink........

To be frank about it, the idea that a few billion ants ... uh, thats you and me, by the way ... running around playing games on a complicated organism like the earth are going to permenantly change how everything works together is beyond my comprehension.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-26   10:14:55 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: richard9151 (#46)

are going to permenantly change how everything works together is beyond my comprehension.

Your comprehension aside, I believe the point being made is that humans most certainly have impacted the Earth in many ways. Everything works together and humans are a part of that working together.

Permanently? I won't live that long, but certainly impacts can be seen for a long time. Do we live with the Earth or disregard how "everything works together"? I'm sure you'll agree that consideration for the Earth is not high on the list of corporations doing business in China or Mexico.

Strip coal mining in W VA, gold mining in Idaho, the Detroit river, the drought problems in the SE USA...just look around to see examples you can comprehend. Do you think the air and the climate are impervious to these changes?

angle  posted on  2008-02-26   10:26:47 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: angle (#47)

Do you think the air and the climate are impervious to these changes?

Long term? Yes. Short term, as in your or my lifetimes, no. The earth is a self clensing organism, and it will clense itself...... and clense those who abuse her as well. Just exactly in the manner in which His Law is designed to work.

Does that mean that I am going to go all looney over some ideas about perdicting climate change? Coming from the same people who can not accurately predict what the temperature is going to be in 7 days - two weeks - one month? But I am going to accept what they say about the climate changing in one year -- five years -- 50 years?! Just because they programmed a computer to say something?

Ever hear of garbage in -- garbage out? I think that the man who first came up with that was probably talking about exactly this type of non-sense.

Give me a break. Please.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-26   11:18:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#49. To: richard9151 (#48)

Just because YOU'RE willing to roll the dice with the future of mankind doesn't mean the rest of us are. Do you have children? If you did, you might care a bit more about the Earth's future.

And remember, just because your "holy book" doesn't mention it doesn't mean it can't happen.

FormerLurker  posted on  2008-02-26 15:38:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#54. To: richard9151 (#48)

Do you think the air and the climate are impervious to these changes? Long term? Yes. Short term, as in your or my lifetimes, no.

Give me a break. Religion is no excuse for not taking care of what's been entrusted to us.

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