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Title: 10,000 turn out; 5,000 turned away
Source: Toledo Blade
URL Source: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbc ... 250377&SearchID=73309768657445
Published: Feb 25, 2008
Author: JOE VARDON
Post Date: 2008-02-25 19:24:38 by iconoclast
Keywords: Obama, Election, enthusiam
Views: 286
Comments: 20

Barack Obama speaks at the Keeping America's Promise rally yesterday at the University of Toledo's Savage Hall about his vision for bringing about changes he believes America needs.

Hillary Clinton and John McCain swept through Toledo in a span of two days, but they didn't come close to drawing as many people combined as Barack Obama did yesterday.

A diverse crowd of about 10,000 people crammed into the University of Toledo's Savage Hall to see Mr. Obama. More than 5,000 others were turned away.

The Illinois senator and Democratic front-runner, who has won 11 consecutive races and is looking for two more victories on March 4 in Ohio and Texas, energized the overflow crowd at UT with his smooth speaking style and message of hope and change.

He also slipped in attacks against his rival presidential candidates.

One of his first points was lobbyists' influence in Washington - a topic that Mr. McCain, the front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination, had to defend himself against while in Toledo on Thursday.

Mr. McCain called a press conference Thursday morning to rebut a New York Times article that portrayed him as being too close to lobbyists - and possibly romantically involved with one in particular - before moving on to a campaign appearance in front of about 200 people in Perrysburg.

Without mentioning Mr. McCain by name during his UT speech, Mr. Obama said he would not be influenced by special-interest groups.

"If you are ready for change, then we can go ahead and tell the lobbyists in Washington that their days of setting the agenda are over," Mr. Obama said.

"They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voice of the American people if I am president of the United States of America."

He then turned his barbs toward Democratic foe Hillary Clinton, who spoke to a crowd of more than 3,000 at Whitmer High School on Friday night.

The New York senator accused the Obama campaign on Saturday of sending out mailers that falsely portray her as supporting unpopular trade agreements approved by her husband, former President Bill Clinton.

"Now hold on a second, [President Clinton's administration] championed NAFTA, passed NAFTA, signed NAFTA," Mr. Obama said. He later added that Mrs. Clinton couldn't "take credit for everything that's good in the Clinton administration, then not take credit for what people don't like."

Mr. Obama also highlighted his opposition to the war in Iraq, his support for making college education affordable, and his plan to create a tougher, more effective energy policy.

He said critics who say his message of hope is not grounded in reality are disrespecting Obama supporters.

"[Critics say] they just want to come hear him speak, they don't really know what's going on," said Mr. Obama, who continued to say that huge crowds come to see him because people "know how tough it is" in America right now.

After the speech was over, many in the crowd said they were impressed with his style and substance.

"I thought he was great, inspirational, exhilarating to be around," said Chris Roman, 18, a student at Michigan State University who is from Bedford Township.

"He's a very powerful speaker," added Chris Mitchell, 29, of Toledo.

"But he's not just about words. I truly believe he's going to shake up the whole world, and it starts with his vision."

Mr. Obama began his day touring a factory in Lorain, Ohio, which was followed by a town-hall meeting focusing on bringing higher-paying jobs to Ohio.

He then met with The Blade's editorial board and John Robinson Block, co-publisher and editor-in-chief of the newspaper, for about an hour at The Blade building on Superior Street downtown.

Prior to taking the stage at Savage Hall, Mr. Obama went outside to speak briefly to those who were turned a way - a move Obama staffers said is commonplace for him.

Christopher Small, 24, of Perrysburg Township was not going to be one of those left outside.

Late to an Obama rally in Cleveland last February, Mr. Small was ushered into a separate room where he could only see the senator on a closed-circuit TV broadcast. So he said he showed up at Savage Hall at 3:45 a.m. yesterday to make sure the same thing didn't happen this year.

"I was the first in line, yes," Mr. Small said. "A group of about four or five people came at 6 a.m., but they left. Then two girls showed up about 8:30 a.m.

"It's embarrassing, I know, but Barack's an inspirational candidate."

Lindsey Whitehead, 73, of Toledo said he came to see Mr. Obama because "it's history, and I wanted to witness it in person."

Mr. Whitehead, a retired employee of the Lucas County Common Pleas Court who said he grew up in rural Georgia, said he never thought a black man would be president during his lifetime.

Now that Mr. Obama has sprinted to the front of the delegate race against Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Whitehead believes Mr. Obama has what it takes to get to the White House.

"He transcends race, gender, age, all of the things you would consider obstacles to America becoming what it could possibly be," Mr. Whitehead said.

Cynthia P. Wright, 63, of Toledo who like Mr. Whitehead is African-American, said she was planning to vote for Mrs. Clinton until recently.

"There's just something different about all this," Ms. Wright said before the rally at Savage Hall.

"It's God's time for a change."

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#1. To: iconoclast (#0)

A diverse crowd of about 10,000 people

Diverse as in what context???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   19:28:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#0)

Hillary Clinton and John McCain swept through Toledo in a span of two days, but they didn't come close to drawing as many people combined as Barack Obama did yesterday.

Only the bigot vote can prevent Obama from surpassing the Roosevelt landslide of 1932.

http://uselectionatlas.org/RESULTS/national.php?f=0&year=1932

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   19:28:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Cynicom (#1)

A diverse crowd of about 10,000 people

Diverse as in what context???

Race, class, age, gender.

I'm sure you've seen pictures of these turnouts, cynicguy.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   19:31:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: iconoclast (#2)

Only the bigot vote can prevent Obama from surpassing the Roosevelt landslide of 1932.

Little history...

Roosevelt ran on a strong anti big government, conservative platform, condemning Hoover for government spending. We all know Roosevelt lied and we now are tasting the bitter fruit of his lies.

By bigot, we could interpret that two ways. Perhaps you intended that anyone voting AGAINST Obama because of his color would b e a bigot???

If that is true, what is the person that votes FOR Obama because of his color???

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   19:38:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Cynicom (#4)

Roosevelt ran on a strong anti big government, conservative platform, condemning Hoover for government spending. We all know Roosevelt lied and we now are tasting the bitter fruit of his lies.

And what are your opinions on Bush's pre-election stances?

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   19:46:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: iconoclast (#5)

And what are your opinions on Bush's pre-election stances?

Bush lied.

History...

No one wanted term limits of any kind...until Americans saw what can happen when one man has total control of the electorate. For instance, in 1944, FDR did not campaign at all for office, and Americans overwhelmingly returned him to office. He had found the the way to dictatorship was via the US treasury. Soon followed term limits.

With out them we would still have Clinton or Bush.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   19:52:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Cynicom (#4)

By bigot, we could interpret that two ways. Perhaps you intended that anyone voting AGAINST Obama because of his color would b e a bigot???

Do cynics digest the tone of the many posts appearing here differently than non-bigoted folk?

You'd probably be an excellent poster if your attitude assumed the posture of your smartness instead of smart aleck-ness.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   19:53:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: iconoclast (#7)

You'd probably be an excellent poster if your attitude assumed the posture of your smartness instead of smart aleck-ness.

Icon...

I am 75 years olde, and assure you being a smart aleck never taught me anything.

I had three much older mentors that taught me to read, comprehend, and digest what I have read. They taught me that most anyone can read, that is not difficult, but compreheding what one has read takes thinking, thus my original question, "diverse as in what context".

No smart alec-ness was intended, and I have better things to do.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   20:05:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Cynicom (#6)

He (FDR) had found the the way to dictatorship was via the US treasury. Soon followed term limits.

I'm fine with the term limits .... for all for that matter.

With out them we would still have Clinton or Bush.

Clinton, maybe.

Bush? You're delusional.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   21:01:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: iconoclast (#9)

Bush? You're delusional.

I am a lot of things.

Bush, the man loves power, abuses power, and my personal opinion is that if he could stay on in anyway, he would.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   21:08:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: Cynicom (#4)

If that is true, what is the person that votes FOR Obama because of his color???

Racial pride? Understandable.

Racial guilt? Mind boggling.

You simply can't take race, religion, or region (particularly state) out of politics.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   21:25:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: iconoclast (#11)

Racial pride? Understandable.

Are we perhaps drawing a thin line here?

If your view is correct, then there would never be any object for a person of color to run for office.

If I am white, then my racial pride tends to guide me to vote white. Whites being a majority in this country, it would be useless for people of color to run for office.

"You simply can't take race, religion, or region (particularly state) out of politics."

Racism and bigotry is a two way street. It is common in all of us as it is human nature. It can all be reduced to the lowest of common denominators, that is, "superior/inferior". Whether in politics, race, color, education, culture,wealth or social behavior, everyone places themselves somewhere on the superior/inferior plane.

For instance you refer to me as a bigot,smart aleck or whatever. In doing so you are placing me on the inferior plane, you being above such.

I take no offense to the names as I admit I have human failings.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   21:39:11 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: Cynicom (#12)

If your view is correct, then there would never be any object for a person of color to run for office.

I do not assume that to be correct, and I pray that it isn't.

Nevertheless, I am disheartened by some of the views expressed herein.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   21:55:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: iconoclast (#13)

Nevertheless, I am disheartened by some of the views expressed herein.

Recall Sir, you called be a bigot etc etc. That causes you no distress? Read back to see if I attached any names to you, I recall none.

I admire a man of your sincerity and integrity, willing to voice you views and opinions.

If we do not discuss then we cannot understand others and we learn nothing.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   22:00:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Cynicom (#12) (Edited)

For instance you refer to me as a bigot,smart aleck or whatever. In doing so you are placing me on the inferior plane, you being above such.

I'm astonished by your super sensitivity!

BTW, I don't believe I referred to you as a bigot, but if the shoe fits ....

As a tiresome negativist? Guilty.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   22:01:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: iconoclast (#15)

BTW, I don't believe I referred to you as a bigot, but if the shoe fits ....

Well, it seems you have affirmed the superior/inferior explanation.

Why do you feel it necessary to call people names, people you do not know, people that are civil and polite?

Your Father taught you well per racism etc.

My Father taught me this, "keep your mouth shut and you may learn something" and this, "your mouth will get you in trouble, your ears never will".

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   22:11:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: iconoclast (#0)

"If you are ready for change, then we can go ahead and tell the lobbyists in Washington that their days of setting the agenda are over," Mr. Obama said.

"They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voice of the American people if I am president of the United States of America."

That's a very big promise.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-25   22:18:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: robin (#17)

That's a very big promise.

Reality sets in soon after the swearing in is done.

Cynicom  posted on  2008-02-25   22:29:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: robin (#17)

"They have not funded my campaign, they will not run my White House, and they will not drown out the voice of the American people if I am president of the United States of America."

That's a very big promise.

Do you know of some special interest campaign contributors that are unknown to me?

It's a sincere question.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-02-25   22:35:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: iconoclast, Cynicom (#19)

No, I don't. I know he has a large grassroots campaign.

I'm concerned that he may reach a point before or possibly after taking office when he will not be able to keep this promise.

It would be beyond wonderful if he could, I'm just being somewhat cynical and realistic.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-02-25   22:44:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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