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Title: Study finds immigrants commit less California crime
Source: Rueters
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080226/us_nm/usa_immigration_crime_dc
Published: Feb 26, 2008
Author: Duncan Martell
Post Date: 2008-02-26 22:51:53 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 798
Comments: 84

Tue Feb 26, 2:39 AM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Immigrants are far less likely than the average U.S.-born citizen to commit crime in California, the most populous state in the United States, according to a report issued late on Monday.

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.

According to the report's authors the findings suggest that long-standing fears of immigration as a threat to public safety are unjustified. The report also noted that U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate more than 2 1/2 times greater than that of foreign-born men.

"Our research indicates that limiting immigration, requiring higher educational levels to obtain visas, or spending more money to increase penalties against criminal immigrants will have little impact on public safety," said Kristin Butcher, co-author of the report and associate professor of economics at Wellesley College.

The study did not differentiate between documented immigrants and illegal immigrants.

The question of what to do about the millions of undocumented workers living in the United States has been one of the major issues in the U.S. presidential election. Mexico, which accounts for a high proportion of illegal immigrants in California, was deeply disappointed at the U.S. Congress' failure to pass President George W. Bush's overhaul of immigration laws last year.

When Butcher and her co-author, Anne Morrison Piehl, associate professor of economics at Rutgers University, considered all those committed to institutions including prison, jails, halfway houses and the like, they found an even greater disparity.

Among men 18 to 40, the population most likely to be in institutions because of criminal activity, the report found that in California, U.S.-born men were institutionalized 10 times more often than foreign-born men (4.2 percent vs. 0.42 percent).

Among other findings in the report, non-citizen men from Mexico 18 to 40 -- a group disproportionately likely to have entered the United States illegally -- are more than eight times less likely than U.S.-born men in the same age group to be in a correctional institution (0.48 percent vs. 4.2 percent).

"From a public safety standpoint, there would be little reason to further limit immigration, to favor entry by high-skilled immigrants, or to increase penalties against criminal immigrants," the report said.

(Reporting by Duncan Martell; Editing by Adam Tanner and Bill Trott)

What's the big surprise? Immigrants, and particularly illegal immigrants, are afraid of the police.

And I suppose that I need to note here that I do not find this to be a reason to permit more immigration. I just get tired of the foolishness of those who parrot what the media tells them.

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#11. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#7)

Pakistani engineers commit less crime than US born hillbillies, therefore securing the US/Mexican border is a waste of time.

How about:

Pakistani engineers commit less crime than US born African Americans, therefore securing the US/Mexican border is a waste of time.

karelian  posted on  2008-02-26   23:27:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nobody (#3)

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.

Maybe I am tired.

Please explain;

35% of California's adult population was born outside the United States but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population.

Ergo, app. 50% of California's adult population who was born outside the United States is in prison (17%)

Please tell me where I'm wrong.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:29:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: farmfriend (#4)

The foreign born population in CA is 35%. 17% (50%) is in prison.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:32:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: richard9151 (#8)

Can you show me anything that is reported in the major media that is not the same bullcrap?

No. That's another point.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:33:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

Ever think you were a math wiz?

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:33:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Please tell me where I'm wrong.

What percentage of the population is in prison?

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:34:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: richard9151 (#2)

And as always, your math is .... far advanced past any possibility of redemption.

Ricardo, see my #12, and #13 and get a clue.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:35:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Please tell me where I'm wrong.

Make up two numbers, one for the number of people in california, and another for the number of prisoners. Then plug those two numbers in, and then get back to me with the results.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:36:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Jethro Tull (#13)

The foreign born population in CA is 35%. 17% (50%) is in prison.

LOL! Nope. Apples and oranges.

Foreign born are 35% of x (population)
Foreign born are 17% of y (prison population)

You didn't pass algebra did you?


Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-26   23:38:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: karelian (#11)

Pakistani engineers commit less crime than US born African Americans, therefore securing the US/Mexican border is a waste of time.

Slight problem, I don't find too many people complaining about millions of Pakistani engineers jumping the border.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-02-26   23:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: Jethro Tull (#17)

I think you are assuming everyone's in prison and then working backward from there by jumping a fence.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:40:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nobody (#16)

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population

This is the working statement.

50% (1/2) of 35% ( People born outside the United States living in CA) population is app. 17% (but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population)

The total population isn't in question, only the fraction of prople born outside the US)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:40:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

Suppose there are 10 million californians and 10 thousand of them are in jail. That's 3.5 million immigrants and 1,700 immigrant prisoners.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:43:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

50% (1/2) of 35% ( People born outside the United States living in CA) population is app. 17%

roughly correct but that is not what the article says. It says 17% of the prison population is foreign born. That number may not be the same as 50% of the foreign born population.


Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-26   23:43:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

The total population isn't in question, only the fraction of prople born outside the US

Okay. You must be an expert.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:45:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: farmfriend (#19) (Edited)

BS, we aren't talking X and Y. We're talking about X and X; foreign born in CA (35%) and the percentage of them (17%) who are in prison. That's 50% of the foreign born population.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:46:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

You just want to play up a bogus statistic by making up a ridiculous statement about it. You're not fooling anyone.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:49:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: farmfriend (#24)

roughly correct but that is not what the article says. It says 17% of the prison population is foreign born. That number may not be the same as 50% of the foreign born population.

With the info given, my conclusion is the only option.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:50:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

The article does not require a #2 pencil.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:51:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: nobody (#27)

Bogus stat? 50% of 35% is app 17%. Nothing bogus there.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:52:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

and the percentage of them (17%) who are in prison.

That's not what the article said. It said of the total prison population 17% were foreign born.


Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-26   23:53:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

The article is not a quiz, but I am sorry to tell you that you flunked.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:53:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

With the info given, my conclusion is the only option.

No, sorry dear. With the information given there is no way to determine how much of the 35% is in prison. BTW, I got "A"s in higher math.


Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-26   23:55:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: Jethro Tull (#26)

foreign born in CA (35%) and the percentage of them (17%) who are in prison.

No, foreign born in CA (35%) and number of foreign born in prison (17%). There is a difference.


Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-26   23:57:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: Jethro Tull (#30)

Like I said, the only way you can come up with that is to assume that everyone in the state is in prison, then divide the two numbers (17/35), and then forget your initial assumption.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:58:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend (#33)

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population,

This isn't math, it's reading comprehension. If 35% of California's adult population are people born outside the United States, and further account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, that's 50% of the suckers in lock up.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-27   0:02:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

You keep assuming the number of people in prison is equal to the number of people in the state, and then forgetting your assumption. You've done that like six times in a row now.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27   0:04:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: nobody (#37)

Im not assuming that for a second. I'm going with the info provided - total foreign born in CA (35%) and total foreign born in prison (17%) or 1/2 of the total foreign born population.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-27   0:07:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

You aren't even going to acknowledge that you need to know the ratio of population to prisoners, while you assume it is 1.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27   0:08:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

Explained in #23 already. Go to sleep lying down.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27   0:10:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

This isn't math, it's reading comprehension.

No, its a word problem, math. As for my reading comprehension, I was off their charts, they never found my level.

Of x (total CA population) 35% are foreign born.

Of y (total prison population) 17% are foreign born.

Unless you know the values for x and y you will never know if the 17% is equal to 50% of the 35%. I doubt that it is. We can plug in some fake numbers if you wish for demonstration.

Let's say that the total CA population is 2 million and 35% of those are foreign born. Now let's say the total prison poplation is 5,000 and 17% of them are foreign born. There is no way you can tell me that 17% of 5,000 is equal to 50% of 35% of 2 million.


Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-27   0:10:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: farmfriend, nobody, all (#41)

I get it. Sorry for the brain fart. I could blame the two week bout of flu i've had, but it's actually my racist tendencies coupled w/a severe case of nationalism/xenophobia.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-27   0:16:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#43. To: richard9151 (#0)

As if they have positive IDs on all the illegals and none are passing themselves off as non-immigrants .... ridiculous.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27   0:18:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#44. To: Jethro Tull (#38)

Im not assuming that for a second

Apparently you need to assume it for more than a second to see that it makes no sense.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27   0:19:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#45. To: nobody (#18) (Edited)

Make up two numbers, one for the number of people in california, and another for the number of prisoners. Then plug those two numbers in, and then get back to me with the results.

LOL!! Good luck! Buena Suerte!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-27   0:20:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#46. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Oh, so you're really not doing it on purpose then. Uh thanks for clearing that up without a doubt. Like I said, the stats you're hyping left-handedly are worthless.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27   0:22:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#47. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#20)

Slight problem, I don't find too many people complaining about millions of Pakistani engineers jumping the border.

Of course not.... after all, they are here 'legally' and only working for about 40% less than the white engineers they replaced..........

Why would anyone be smart enough to figure that out?! Or care if they did figure it out! After all, THEY are LEGAL!!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-27   0:23:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#48. To: nobody (#23)

Suppose there are 10 million californians and 10 thousand of them are in jail. That's 3.5 million immigrants and 1,700 immigrant prisoners.

LOL!! TOLD YA!! Good luck!!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-27   0:24:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#49. To: nobody (#32)

The article is not a quiz, but I am sorry to tell you that you flunked.

LOL!! Got to love it!

I am sitting here busing my ass laughing!!

I been here and done this!!

When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.

richard9151  posted on  2008-02-27   0:26:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#50. To: richard9151 (#45)

The assumption that imprisonment rate reflects crime rate is a clever troll with the usual elite racialist follow-though.

Illegals would probably be far more likely to post bail and then skip.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27   0:26:15 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#51. To: nobody, Jethro Tull (#46)

Ok, now that we have that cleared up let's look at the actual numbers. Well give or take. I have 2003 sensus and 2005 prison numbers.

CA population is roughly 26 million. 35% is 9,100,000.
the prison population is 168,000 and 17% of that is 28,560.

Who’s In Prison? The Changing Demographics of Incarceration is our site of the day

This report by the Public Policy Institute of California (PPIC) released publicly late last night is very timely in the debate over our state’s prisons and solutions for the current overcrowding and high recidivism rate we are experiencing. Perhaps some of the information in this report will be helpful as the legislature considers measures in the final three weeks of the session. Next year, when these thorny problems are revisited by the legislature and others concerned with good public policy in this area, the report will undoubtedly be revisited.

The PPIC study shows that California’s prisoners aren’t who they used to be The comprehensive demographic analysis reveals a prison population that is not only larger but changing dramatically. Some of the major changes have unsettling implications, including potentially prohibitive health care costs for an aging inmate population and the social welfare consequences of incarcerated women with minor children.

Some of the facts and findings from this report from the PPIC’s release on this report:

Since 1990, the number of prisoners in California has risen three times faster than the overall adult population, standing at almost 168,000 in 2005. Adults younger than 25 years old account for a declining segment of the prison population (declining from 20% in 1990 to 14% in 2005), while the share of adults age 50 and older has nearly tripled (rising from 4% to 11%). What accounts for this shift? Surprisingly – given that criminological research tells us young people are the most likely group to commit crimes – older adults are increasingly being admitted to prison. Additionally, more inmates are aging in prison because tougher sentencing laws lead to more time served.

The graying of the state’s inmate population raises the prospect of soaring health care costs – a prospect that is even more ominous in light of a recent federal court-appointed receiver’s report that says California’s prison health care system is in a state of almost complete disrepair. Prior research estimates that the expense of housing, transporting, and caring for elderly inmates is two-to-three times higher than for other prisoners. “Whether or not federal actions will bring relief remains to be seen, but providing medical and health care to California’s prisoners is on its way to being an acute financial challenge,” says PPIC research associate Amanda Bailey, who co-authored the study with PPIC research associate Joseph Hayes.

The PPIC analysis also raises disquieting questions about the families and communities that prisoners leave behind – and may someday rejoin. For example, 64 percent of female inmates have children under the age of 18 – and over half of these mothers were living with their children at the time of their arrest. “The effects of incarceration certainly extend beyond prison walls to touch thousands of children and other family members,” says Hayes. “Some communities experience a revolving door of prisoners coming and going.” The study finds that 58 percent of women in California prisons have an immediate family member who has been in prison, compared to 42 percent of men.

The prison population is also marked by large racial/ethnic disparities. At 38 percent, Latino men now constitute the largest share of the state’s male prisoners (roughly comparable to their share of the adult population). At 27 percent, white men are underrepresented in prison; but at 29 percent, African American men are vastly overrepresented. African American men are 7 times as likely as white men and 4.5 times as likely as Latino men to be incarcerated. One out of every 12 African American men in California between the age of 25 and 29 is currently in state prison. There are also disparities by offense type, with African American and Latino prisoners (52% each) more likely than whites (44%) to be imprisoned for violent offenses.

Prisoners in general are more likely to be serving sentences for violent offenses than in the past. Violent offenders now constitute a majority (just over 50%) of prisoners, and their share is growing. In contrast, the share of drug offenders is declining – 28 to 21 percent in the past 6 years. Part of this decline results from Proposition 36, which passed in 2000 and diverts non- violent drug offenders from prison to treatment centers.

Overall, the dynamic, complex prison population described in the study, Who’s In Prison? The Changing Demographics of Incarceration, presents considerable challenges for public policy. Besides those discussed above, these are also characteristics of concern:

• The San Joaquin Valley and Inland Empire contribute disproportionately to the state’s prison population. Between 1990 and 2002, their share of admissions has risen from 11 to 14 percent and from 8 to 15 percent, respectively.
• The vast majority of prison admissions are inmates being returned from parole because of new offenses or parole violations: In 2004, over two-thirds (67%) of admissions were prisoners being returned to prison.
• U.S.-born adults are nearly three times as likely as foreign-born adults to be incarcerated; however, foreign-born prisoners are more likely to be serving time for violent offenses (60% vs. 50% among men).
• Women constitute 7 percent of the total prison population – and their numbers are increasing slightly faster than men’s.
• A majority of men (52%) are imprisoned for violent crimes. Women are considerably more likely to be serving time for property crimes (36%) or drug offenses (30%).
• Forty-four percent of California prisoners do not have a high school diploma or GED.
• “Three Strikes and You’re Out” legislation (1994) has affected African Americans disproportionately – they constitute 38 percent of “striker” offenders, but 29 percent of the overall prison population.
• Three Strikes and the state’s enactment of the federal Truth in Sentencing program (1994) have produced longer sentences and more time served. Together with Prop 36, they have helped transform the prison population to one increasingly composed of violent offenders.

The Public Policy Institute of California is a private, nonprofit organization dedicated to improving public policy in California through independent, objective, nonpartisan research on major economic, social, and political issues.

Posted on August 10, 2006


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