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Title: Study finds immigrants commit less California crime
Source: Rueters
URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080226/us_nm/usa_immigration_crime_dc
Published: Feb 26, 2008
Author: Duncan Martell
Post Date: 2008-02-26 22:51:53 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 1979
Comments: 84

Tue Feb 26, 2:39 AM ET

SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Immigrants are far less likely than the average U.S.-born citizen to commit crime in California, the most populous state in the United States, according to a report issued late on Monday.

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.

According to the report's authors the findings suggest that long-standing fears of immigration as a threat to public safety are unjustified. The report also noted that U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate more than 2 1/2 times greater than that of foreign-born men.

"Our research indicates that limiting immigration, requiring higher educational levels to obtain visas, or spending more money to increase penalties against criminal immigrants will have little impact on public safety," said Kristin Butcher, co-author of the report and associate professor of economics at Wellesley College.

The study did not differentiate between documented immigrants and illegal immigrants.

The question of what to do about the millions of undocumented workers living in the United States has been one of the major issues in the U.S. presidential election. Mexico, which accounts for a high proportion of illegal immigrants in California, was deeply disappointed at the U.S. Congress' failure to pass President George W. Bush's overhaul of immigration laws last year.

When Butcher and her co-author, Anne Morrison Piehl, associate professor of economics at Rutgers University, considered all those committed to institutions including prison, jails, halfway houses and the like, they found an even greater disparity.

Among men 18 to 40, the population most likely to be in institutions because of criminal activity, the report found that in California, U.S.-born men were institutionalized 10 times more often than foreign-born men (4.2 percent vs. 0.42 percent).

Among other findings in the report, non-citizen men from Mexico 18 to 40 -- a group disproportionately likely to have entered the United States illegally -- are more than eight times less likely than U.S.-born men in the same age group to be in a correctional institution (0.48 percent vs. 4.2 percent).

"From a public safety standpoint, there would be little reason to further limit immigration, to favor entry by high-skilled immigrants, or to increase penalties against criminal immigrants," the report said.

(Reporting by Duncan Martell; Editing by Adam Tanner and Bill Trott)

What's the big surprise? Immigrants, and particularly illegal immigrants, are afraid of the police.

And I suppose that I need to note here that I do not find this to be a reason to permit more immigration. I just get tired of the foolishness of those who parrot what the media tells them.

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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population,

So, according to your article, 50% of CAs foreign born population is in prison. Nice stat, Dick......

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:01:10 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)

50% of CAs foreign born population is in prison

Are you tired?

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:05:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: nobody (#3)

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.

Maybe I am tired.

Please explain;

35% of California's adult population was born outside the United States but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population.

Ergo, app. 50% of California's adult population who was born outside the United States is in prison (17%)

Please tell me where I'm wrong.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:29:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: Jethro Tull (#12)

Please tell me where I'm wrong.

What percentage of the population is in prison?

nobody  posted on  2008-02-26   23:34:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: nobody (#16)

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population

This is the working statement.

50% (1/2) of 35% ( People born outside the United States living in CA) population is app. 17% (but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population)

The total population isn't in question, only the fraction of prople born outside the US)

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:40:32 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: Jethro Tull (#22)

50% (1/2) of 35% ( People born outside the United States living in CA) population is app. 17%

roughly correct but that is not what the article says. It says 17% of the prison population is foreign born. That number may not be the same as 50% of the foreign born population.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-26   23:43:18 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: farmfriend (#24)

roughly correct but that is not what the article says. It says 17% of the prison population is foreign born. That number may not be the same as 50% of the foreign born population.

With the info given, my conclusion is the only option.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-26   23:50:13 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28)

With the info given, my conclusion is the only option.

No, sorry dear. With the information given there is no way to determine how much of the 35% is in prison. BTW, I got "A"s in higher math.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-26   23:55:04 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: farmfriend (#33)

People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population,

This isn't math, it's reading comprehension. If 35% of California's adult population are people born outside the United States, and further account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, that's 50% of the suckers in lock up.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-27   0:02:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#41. To: Jethro Tull (#36)

This isn't math, it's reading comprehension.

No, its a word problem, math. As for my reading comprehension, I was off their charts, they never found my level.

Of x (total CA population) 35% are foreign born.

Of y (total prison population) 17% are foreign born.

Unless you know the values for x and y you will never know if the 17% is equal to 50% of the 35%. I doubt that it is. We can plug in some fake numbers if you wish for demonstration.

Let's say that the total CA population is 2 million and 35% of those are foreign born. Now let's say the total prison poplation is 5,000 and 17% of them are foreign born. There is no way you can tell me that 17% of 5,000 is equal to 50% of 35% of 2 million.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-27   0:10:41 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#42. To: farmfriend, nobody, all (#41)

I get it. Sorry for the brain fart. I could blame the two week bout of flu i've had, but it's actually my racist tendencies coupled w/a severe case of nationalism/xenophobia.

Jethro Tull  posted on  2008-02-27   0:16:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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#46. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

Oh, so you're really not doing it on purpose then. Uh thanks for clearing that up without a doubt. Like I said, the stats you're hyping left-handedly are worthless.

nobody  posted on  2008-02-27 00:22:17 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


#53. To: Jethro Tull (#42)

could blame the two week bout of flu i've had,

There is some nasty stuff going around. Went through our family a few weeks back. Once in a while I get sick, rarely does it knock me down. This did, fever and all.

farmfriend  posted on  2008-02-27 00:32:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  


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