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Title: Study finds immigrants commit less California crime
Source:
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URL Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080226/us_nm/usa_immigration_crime_dc
Published: Feb 26, 2008
Author: Duncan Martell
Post Date: 2008-02-26 22:51:53 by richard9151
Keywords: None
Views: 1179
Comments: 84
Tue Feb 26, 2:39 AM ET SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Immigrants are far less likely than the average U.S.-born citizen to commit crime in California, the most populous state in the United States, according to a report issued late on Monday. People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed. According to the report's authors the findings suggest that long-standing fears of immigration as a threat to public safety are unjustified. The report also noted that U.S.-born adult men are incarcerated at a rate more than 2 1/2 times greater than that of foreign-born men. "Our research indicates that limiting immigration, requiring higher educational levels to obtain visas, or spending more money to increase penalties against criminal immigrants will have little impact on public safety," said Kristin Butcher, co-author of the report and associate professor of economics at Wellesley College. The study did not differentiate between documented immigrants and illegal immigrants. The question of what to do about the millions of undocumented workers living in the United States has been one of the major issues in the U.S. presidential election. Mexico, which accounts for a high proportion of illegal immigrants in California, was deeply disappointed at the U.S. Congress' failure to pass President George W. Bush's overhaul of immigration laws last year. When Butcher and her co-author, Anne Morrison Piehl, associate professor of economics at Rutgers University, considered all those committed to institutions including prison, jails, halfway houses and the like, they found an even greater disparity. Among men 18 to 40, the population most likely to be in institutions because of criminal activity, the report found that in California, U.S.-born men were institutionalized 10 times more often than foreign-born men (4.2 percent vs. 0.42 percent). Among other findings in the report, non-citizen men from Mexico 18 to 40 -- a group disproportionately likely to have entered the United States illegally -- are more than eight times less likely than U.S.-born men in the same age group to be in a correctional institution (0.48 percent vs. 4.2 percent). "From a public safety standpoint, there would be little reason to further limit immigration, to favor entry by high-skilled immigrants, or to increase penalties against criminal immigrants," the report said. (Reporting by Duncan Martell; Editing by Adam Tanner and Bill Trott) What's the big surprise? Immigrants, and particularly illegal immigrants, are afraid of the police. And I suppose that I need to note here that I do not find this to be a reason to permit more immigration. I just get tired of the foolishness of those who parrot what the media tells them.
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#1. To: richard9151 (#0)
So, according to your article, 50% of CAs foreign born population is in prison. Nice stat, Dick......
LOL! Just like clock work, Jethro. I figured you to be the first in line. And as always, your math is .... far advanced past any possibility of redemption.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Are you tired?
LOL! Does kinda clarify things doesn't it? Edit: Ok upon a second look it doesn't say that 50% is in prison just 17% of the prison population. It would be interesting to see what that figure is though. What percentage of that 35% is in prison?
The numbers are meaningless, the conclusions are agenda-driven, and Wellesley is an elitist s---hole.
Any time you see something posted by Jethro, check everything six or ten times before you even think of answering him. His math has no redeming qualities. Ever.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
Pakistani engineers commit less crime than US born hillbillies, therefore securing the US/Mexican border is a waste of time. Got to love 21st Century American logic.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
And your point is? Can you show me anything that is reported in the major media that is not the same bullcrap? EVERYTHING that is reported has an agenda, and this includes about global warming, immigration, taxation, and the elections. That does not seem to make people pay any less attention to the bullcrap. Or, as long as it matches their 'beliefs,' doubt what they are told any less.
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either quit being mistaken or cease to be honest.
"The U.S. Justice Department estimated that 270,000 illegal immigrants served jail time nationally in 2003. Of those, 108,000 were in California. Some estimates show illegals now make up half of California's prison population, creating a massive criminal subculture that strains state budgets and creates a nightmare for local police forces." 'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.' How about: Pakistani engineers commit less crime than US born African Americans, therefore securing the US/Mexican border is a waste of time.
Maybe I am tired. Please explain; 35% of California's adult population was born outside the United States but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population. Ergo, app. 50% of California's adult population who was born outside the United States is in prison (17%) Please tell me where I'm wrong.
The foreign born population in CA is 35%. 17% (50%) is in prison.
No. That's another point.
Ever think you were a math wiz?
What percentage of the population is in prison?
Ricardo, see my #12, and #13 and get a clue.
Make up two numbers, one for the number of people in california, and another for the number of prisoners. Then plug those two numbers in, and then get back to me with the results.
LOL! Nope. Apples and oranges. Foreign born are 35% of x (population) You didn't pass algebra did you?
Slight problem, I don't find too many people complaining about millions of Pakistani engineers jumping the border.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
I think you are assuming everyone's in prison and then working backward from there by jumping a fence.
This is the working statement. 50% (1/2) of 35% ( People born outside the United States living in CA) population is app. 17% (but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population) The total population isn't in question, only the fraction of prople born outside the US)
Suppose there are 10 million californians and 10 thousand of them are in jail. That's 3.5 million immigrants and 1,700 immigrant prisoners.
roughly correct but that is not what the article says. It says 17% of the prison population is foreign born. That number may not be the same as 50% of the foreign born population.
Okay. You must be an expert.
BS, we aren't talking X and Y. We're talking about X and X; foreign born in CA (35%) and the percentage of them (17%) who are in prison. That's 50% of the foreign born population.
You just want to play up a bogus statistic by making up a ridiculous statement about it. You're not fooling anyone.
With the info given, my conclusion is the only option.
The article does not require a #2 pencil.
Bogus stat? 50% of 35% is app 17%. Nothing bogus there.
That's not what the article said. It said of the total prison population 17% were foreign born.
The article is not a quiz, but I am sorry to tell you that you flunked.
No, sorry dear. With the information given there is no way to determine how much of the 35% is in prison. BTW, I got "A"s in higher math.
No, foreign born in CA (35%) and number of foreign born in prison (17%). There is a difference.
Like I said, the only way you can come up with that is to assume that everyone in the state is in prison, then divide the two numbers (17/35), and then forget your initial assumption.
This isn't math, it's reading comprehension. If 35% of California's adult population are people born outside the United States, and further account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population, that's 50% of the suckers in lock up.
You keep assuming the number of people in prison is equal to the number of people in the state, and then forgetting your assumption. You've done that like six times in a row now.
Im not assuming that for a second. I'm going with the info provided - total foreign born in CA (35%) and total foreign born in prison (17%) or 1/2 of the total foreign born population.
You aren't even going to acknowledge that you need to know the ratio of population to prisoners, while you assume it is 1.
Explained in #23 already. Go to sleep lying down.
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Top • Page Up • Full Thread • Page Down • Bottom/LatestPeople born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population,
#2. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
So, according to your article, 50% of CAs foreign born population is in prison. Nice stat, Dick......
#3. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
50% of CAs foreign born population is in prison
#4. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
(Edited)
So, according to your article, 50% of CAs foreign born population is in prison. Nice stat, Dick......
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#5. To: richard9151 (#0)
#6. To: farmfriend (#4)
Among other findings in the report, non-citizen men from Mexico 18 to 40 -- a group disproportionately likely to have entered the United States illegally -- are more than eight times less likely than U.S.-born men in the same age group to be in a correctional institution (0.48 percent vs. 4.2 percent).
#7. To: richard9151 (#0)
The study did not differentiate between documented immigrants and illegal immigrants.
#8. To: nobody (#5)
The numbers are meaningless, the conclusions are agenda-driven, and Wellesley is an elitist s---hole.
#9. To: Jethro Tull (#1)
As Investors Business Daily reported in March 2005:
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#10. To: richard9151 (#6)
His math has no redeming qualities. Ever.
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#11. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#7)
Pakistani engineers commit less crime than US born hillbillies, therefore securing the US/Mexican border is a waste of time.
#12. To: nobody (#3)
People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population, the report by the Public Policy Institute of California showed.
#13. To: farmfriend (#4)
#14. To: richard9151 (#8)
Can you show me anything that is reported in the major media that is not the same bullcrap?
#15. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
#16. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
Please tell me where I'm wrong.
#17. To: richard9151 (#2)
And as always, your math is .... far advanced past any possibility of redemption.
#18. To: Jethro Tull (#12)
Please tell me where I'm wrong.
#19. To: Jethro Tull (#13)
The foreign born population in CA is 35%. 17% (50%) is in prison.
Foreign born are 17% of y (prison population)
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#20. To: karelian (#11)
Pakistani engineers commit less crime than US born African Americans, therefore securing the US/Mexican border is a waste of time.
#21. To: Jethro Tull (#17)
#22. To: nobody (#16)
People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population
#23. To: Jethro Tull (#22)
#24. To: Jethro Tull (#22)
50% (1/2) of 35% ( People born outside the United States living in CA) population is app. 17%
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#25. To: Jethro Tull (#22)
The total population isn't in question, only the fraction of prople born outside the US
#26. To: farmfriend (#19)
(Edited)
#27. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
#28. To: farmfriend (#24)
roughly correct but that is not what the article says. It says 17% of the prison population is foreign born. That number may not be the same as 50% of the foreign born population.
#29. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
#30. To: nobody (#27)
#31. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
and the percentage of them (17%) who are in prison.
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#32. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
#33. To: Jethro Tull (#28)
With the info given, my conclusion is the only option.
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#34. To: Jethro Tull (#26)
foreign born in CA (35%) and the percentage of them (17%) who are in prison.
Why do we fall sir? So we can learn to pick ourselves up. -- Alfred, Batman Begins
#35. To: Jethro Tull (#30)
#36. To: farmfriend (#33)
People born outside the United States make up about 35 percent of California's adult population but account for about 17 percent of the adult prison population,
#37. To: Jethro Tull (#36)
#38. To: nobody (#37)
#39. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
#40. To: Jethro Tull (#38)
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