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Title: Complete Meltdown in Obama's Texas Campaign
Source: Democratic Underground
URL Source: [None]
Published: Feb 29, 2008
Author: "Bucky"
Post Date: 2008-02-29 11:03:11 by ghostdogtxn
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Views: 872
Comments: 67

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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)

I wonder why he is still behind in Ohio? Is the racism of that state just WAY worse than that of Texas?

I have almost always come away from conversations with friends/relatives from Midwest and Northeastern states thinking that Texans and Southerners are, in some ways, more "tolerant" than those from the "Union" who have historically derided us as "bigots."

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-02-29   11:12:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I wonder why he is still behind in Ohio? Is the racism of that state just WAY worse than that of Texas?

I wish someone could explain to me why one freakin' communist is that much better than the other ones. Obama, Clinton, McCain, three peas in a socialist/communist pod. A pox on all of them and a plague on all their houses!

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-29   11:26:22 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

In his speech the other day accepting Dodd's endorsement, Obama repeated his previous calls for closing Guantanamo, restoring habeas corpus, and following the Constitution. He also expressed his support for Dodd's filibuster against immunity for the telecoms' illegal snooping and his opposition to the immunity and the snooping.

I don't think either of the other major candidates has done anything like that.

Here's a link to Obama's speech the other day.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-29   11:30:52 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am more interested in how he votes on socialist crap than I am on hearing or reading his speeches. Most politicians can make good speeches because they have good speech writers. And most of them don't mean a word they say.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-29   11:40:12 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I am more interested in how he votes on socialist crap than I am on hearing or reading his speeches. Most politicians can make good speeches because they have good speech writers.

Only Hillary and McCain have not been making that kind of speech.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-29   11:44:46 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Only Hillary and McCain have not been making that kind of speech.

I read his speech you linked to. Not each and every word but I didn't see any condemnation of an unjust and improperly applied tax (the "income" tax) in the whole speech. If he actually knows the Constitution as well as he claims to then why doesn't he know that the IRS is robbing people under color of law? A "law" which doesn't even apply to most people and no one who works in an "occupation of common right"? He is as big a fraud as any of the rest of them.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-29   11:51:02 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You seem to think all people who do not share your view of what taxes are allowed under the Constitution do not believe in the Constitution at all. That doesn't leave many people.

It does, however, leave Grover Norquist and his antitax people, who are willing to surrender all our other liberties just so that they can keep taxes as low as possible.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-29   11:53:37 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

You seem to think all people who do not share your view of what taxes are allowed under the Constitution do not believe in the Constitution at all. That doesn't leave many people.

At least I don't think that all taxes are legitimate so long as some "official" claims they are. If you think that there may not be a lot of help for you but I really thought you were smarter than that.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-29   12:03:51 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The income tax is only one issue. One that we have had to live with for many decades. Since 1913, to be precise.

If you think we have been in a totalitarian state since then, and that all other government assaults don't matter as long as we have to put up with this one, I'm afraid I can't help you.

aristeides  posted on  2008-02-29   12:09:15 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

The income tax is only one issue. One that we have had to live with for many decades. Since 1913, to be precise.

If you think we have been in a totalitarian state since then, and that all other government assaults don't matter as long as we have to put up with this one, I'm afraid I can't help you.

You sound like you believe you are talking to someone who is ignorant of government atrocities. I assure you I am not but many of them can be linked to the income tax scam. And I don't recall asking for your help, just pointing out that this Obama guy isn't someone who is going to end the hoaxes, frauds and crimes that are being perpetrated against Americans.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-29   12:55:38 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I think you are right to lack "hope" in this regard.

Ron Paul also had as a mantra "hope for America" as I recall.

The fact that Dr. Paul's candidacy can be and has been basically successfully censored by the mainstream media tells us there is no real reason to be "hopeful" in terms of our political system.

I view Obama as a "feel good" rhetorician who will accomplish, by and large, nothing in office other than attempt to placate the destitute masses of our mongrelized population with pretty platitudes. I "hope" I am wrong about this.

I doubt if we will ever have to test my "thesis" as I still do not believe he will ever take the oath of office.

Sam Houston  posted on  2008-02-29   13:02:03 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

I view Obama as a "feel good" rhetorician who will accomplish, by and large, nothing in office...

You could have probably ended that sentence right there. Obama, if he actually gets elected, will be more of the same ol', same ol'. Just another mephitic politician owned by the CFR and the Bilderbergers/Skull and Bones people. The only one running worth voting for is Ron Paul and they have done everything they can to marginalize his campaign. People need to effin wake up, look at how the bought and paid for establishment whore media is pushing Obama. That should tell anyone with two adequately functioning brain cells that he is a sellout.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-29   13:07:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yup, I got 2 brain cells ... adequately functioning ... and you're right.

noone222  posted on  2008-02-29   15:50:23 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Yup, I got 2 brain cells ... adequately functioning ... and you're right.

Thanks.I just don't think Obama is all some people make him out to be. But then they are entitled to believe he is great if they want to. I still say that anyone who is a big favorite with the establishment media whores is no good. And Obama is their "golden boy" at the moment, at least he seems to be.

James Deffenbach  posted on  2008-02-29   16:12:14 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

But then they are entitled to believe he is great if they want to.

Here we may part company, Jimbo. While the definition of entitlement is pertinent my point here is not to debate that, but to ask the question, when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it?

We have a society going mad dog because the few willing to study the many factors and factions corrupting the entire social infrastructure aren't able to overcome the ignorant masses led about by propagandists spouting shallow sound bites. In a truly free society those able to see through the fraud should at a minimum be allowed to withdraw from the fraudulent society and form their own. This is not being allowed, nor will it be because the lack of knowledge among the masses makes it possible for tyrants to operate their agenda as long as they stick a pacifier in the masses mouth to suck on while they ignore facts and truth.

noone222  posted on  2008-03-01   4:20:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it?

So you favor shutting down free speech and prohibiting people from saying what you don't like?

Why doesn't that make you a greater threat to liberty than the people you are criticizing?

aristeides  posted on  2008-03-01   10:09:54 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

Here's the rest of what I had posted that you left out of your response to it.

In a truly free society those able to see through the fraud should at a minimum be allowed to withdraw from the fraudulent society and form their own. This is not being allowed, nor will it be because the lack of knowledge among the masses makes it possible for tyrants to operate their agenda as long as they stick a pacifier in the masses mouth to suck on while they ignore facts and truth.

noone222  posted on  2008-03-01   11:51:08 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

#46. To: noone222 (#43)

In a truly free society those able to see through the fraud should at a minimum be allowed to withdraw from the fraudulent society and form their own. This is not being allowed, nor will it be because the lack of knowledge among the masses makes it possible for tyrants to operate their agenda as long as they stick a pacifier in the masses mouth to suck on while they ignore facts and truth.

hear! hear!

christine  posted on  2008-03-01 12:29:42 ET  Reply   Untrace   Trace   Private Reply  

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