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Title: Complete Meltdown in Obama's Texas Campaign
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Published: Feb 29, 2008
Author: "Bucky"
Post Date: 2008-02-29 11:03:11 by ghostdogtxn
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#1. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
I wonder why he is still behind in Ohio? Is the racism of that state just WAY worse than that of Texas? I have almost always come away from conversations with friends/relatives from Midwest and Northeastern states thinking that Texans and Southerners are, in some ways, more "tolerant" than those from the "Union" who have historically derided us as "bigots."
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
McCain and Obama sweep DC...the headline read. Obama 85,000 votes.. McCain 3800 votes...
I wish someone could explain to me why one freakin' communist is that much better than the other ones. Obama, Clinton, McCain, three peas in a socialist/communist pod. A pox on all of them and a plague on all their houses!
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
In his speech the other day accepting Dodd's endorsement, Obama repeated his previous calls for closing Guantanamo, restoring habeas corpus, and following the Constitution. He also expressed his support for Dodd's filibuster against immunity for the telecoms' illegal snooping and his opposition to the immunity and the snooping. I don't think either of the other major candidates has done anything like that. Here's a link to Obama's speech the other day.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Clinton allies threaten "imminent" lawsuit over Texas caucuses . This, on top of Hillary herself declaring in an interview the other day that she includes Texas among the states that are not significant for her electoral calculations. I think Hillary and her people are now expecting a double-digit defeat in Texas.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Obama made those same points in a speech I heard him make on C-SPAN the day right after he had moved his campaign to New Hampshire from Iowa.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I am more interested in how he votes on socialist crap than I am on hearing or reading his speeches. Most politicians can make good speeches because they have good speech writers. And most of them don't mean a word they say.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
Only Hillary and McCain have not been making that kind of speech.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
I read his speech you linked to. Not each and every word but I didn't see any condemnation of an unjust and improperly applied tax (the "income" tax) in the whole speech. If he actually knows the Constitution as well as he claims to then why doesn't he know that the IRS is robbing people under color of law? A "law" which doesn't even apply to most people and no one who works in an "occupation of common right"? He is as big a fraud as any of the rest of them.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. You seem to think all people who do not share your view of what taxes are allowed under the Constitution do not believe in the Constitution at all. That doesn't leave many people. It does, however, leave Grover Norquist and his antitax people, who are willing to surrender all our other liberties just so that they can keep taxes as low as possible.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
At least I don't think that all taxes are legitimate so long as some "official" claims they are. If you think that there may not be a lot of help for you but I really thought you were smarter than that.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. The income tax is only one issue. One that we have had to live with for many decades. Since 1913, to be precise. If you think we have been in a totalitarian state since then, and that all other government assaults don't matter as long as we have to put up with this one, I'm afraid I can't help you.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Houston. The most effed-up city in Texas. Please, God, if you have any mercy let bin-Laden nuke it....
"There is a Providence that protects idiots, drunkards, children and the United States of America." - Otto von Bismarck
If you think we have been in a totalitarian state since then, and that all other government assaults don't matter as long as we have to put up with this one, I'm afraid I can't help you. You sound like you believe you are talking to someone who is ignorant of government atrocities. I assure you I am not but many of them can be linked to the income tax scam. And I don't recall asking for your help, just pointing out that this Obama guy isn't someone who is going to end the hoaxes, frauds and crimes that are being perpetrated against Americans.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Being unwilling to vote for Obama for any reason is now racism? Get thine head out of thine Politically Correct universe where one is expected to hand over anything to a person with a higher melanin content than their neighbor just due to skin color. If anyone is practicing racism....its those types.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
I think you are right to lack "hope" in this regard. Ron Paul also had as a mantra "hope for America" as I recall. The fact that Dr. Paul's candidacy can be and has been basically successfully censored by the mainstream media tells us there is no real reason to be "hopeful" in terms of our political system. I view Obama as a "feel good" rhetorician who will accomplish, by and large, nothing in office other than attempt to placate the destitute masses of our mongrelized population with pretty platitudes. I "hope" I am wrong about this. I doubt if we will ever have to test my "thesis" as I still do not believe he will ever take the oath of office.
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
You could have probably ended that sentence right there. Obama, if he actually gets elected, will be more of the same ol', same ol'. Just another mephitic politician owned by the CFR and the Bilderbergers/Skull and Bones people. The only one running worth voting for is Ron Paul and they have done everything they can to marginalize his campaign. People need to effin wake up, look at how the bought and paid for establishment whore media is pushing Obama. That should tell anyone with two adequately functioning brain cells that he is a sellout.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. No, but favoring Hillary Clinton over ANY candidate of ANY race, creed, color or national origin at this point is what leads me to this hypothesis. Her candidacy has basically imploded. There is no reason to vote FOR her anymore. But - and I could be wrong - there may be a view among some Ohioans that at least she is "one of us."
“I would give no thought of what the world might say of me, if I could only transmit to posterity the reputation of an honest man.” - Sam Houston
McCain 3800 votes... 88,800 morons !
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
Funny thing. I don't recall asking for help either.
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
Yup, I got 2 brain cells ... adequately functioning ... and you're right.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
James-I read some of your postings, and looked at your silly little cartoon, and well, I think you might want to consider having your head examined. Just some free, friendly, unsolicitited advice of course.
True, you didn't, but if you believe that the "income" tax, as it is applied is legitimate you surely need some help.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Let me throw out some reasons why that is an erroneous assumption. Please excuse the stream-of-consciousness. With Hillary, you actually have some idea as to what you are going to get. She has articulated her plans in enough detail so that voters have at least some idea as to what they will get, good and hard though it may be. Obama is a peddler of "hope and change" with very little in terms of specifics as to what he stands for, what he will do, and how he will go about it. When I go into the booth to cast my vote, I'll take the candidate that tells me up-front how badly they are going to screw me over a candidate who offers mushy rhetoric with nothing behind it any day of the week. There is also the "pick the Devil you know" attitude that is always present but everyone forgets about. So, the main reason to vote FOR Hillary is simply because she has articulated her plans up-front. Neither Obama nor McCain have really done that. Its a vote AGAINST mushiness. Whether or not her campaign is imploding is not relevant. Many voters are simply so cynical these days that they prefer knowing how badly they are going to be screwed up-front as opposed to wondering how badly someone is going to rob and rape them later. Now, add to that the "I'm tired of being called a racist" people out there. The Obama campaign is running on a veiled "Vote for me or you're a racist" theme. That is a big turnoff to a lot of people. They won't vote for race-baiters. Anyhow, just some thoughts on this.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Thanks.I just don't think Obama is all some people make him out to be. But then they are entitled to believe he is great if they want to. I still say that anyone who is a big favorite with the establishment media whores is no good. And Obama is their "golden boy" at the moment, at least he seems to be.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He will if that is what he is told to do. Otherwise we will be bogged down there just like we are now. And of course the neocons want to attack Iran, just looking for an excuse. I hope this Obama guy is all some of you think he is but I truly doubt it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
And worth every penny it cost. Thank you so much. As for the "silly little cartoon" that is from one of the best movies made in the last 25 years (at least), V for Vendetta. You might ought to watch it if you haven't--but then if you had you would know that the little cartoon isn't "silly."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes, Ron is my choice too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. McCain was pretty clear about his plan to keep US troops in the Middle East for the next 100 years. I happen to think that mushiness can work to our advantage. Because Obama is an empty suit, four years in office might be as harmless as his campaign. He'll talk about "hope and change" without actually DOING anything. Which is a good thing, compared to someone like Hillary, who has the details of her plan to continue destroying this country all ironed out.
McCain has no plan on how he would do so, thus, as far as this voter is concerned, its more empty bullshit. Methinks the main thing is not to underestimate the cynicism level of the American electorate in this day and age. Everyone is fed up and pissed off. As a result, anything can happen.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
They all suck, except maybe Ron Paul. But there is a reason to hope that Obama doesn't win over Hillary or McCain. If Obama wins the elite will have the perfect opportunity to really divide this nation and start martial law by killing Obama and then blaming it on White Supremacists. I can't stand Hillary, but if they kill her, who would care?
God is always good!
Bill? BWAHAHAHA, as a friend of mine says, "sometimes I crack my own self up." You make some good points.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Here we may part company, Jimbo. While the definition of entitlement is pertinent my point here is not to debate that, but to ask the question, when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it? We have a society going mad dog because the few willing to study the many factors and factions corrupting the entire social infrastructure aren't able to overcome the ignorant masses led about by propagandists spouting shallow sound bites. In a truly free society those able to see through the fraud should at a minimum be allowed to withdraw from the fraudulent society and form their own. This is not being allowed, nor will it be because the lack of knowledge among the masses makes it possible for tyrants to operate their agenda as long as they stick a pacifier in the masses mouth to suck on while they ignore facts and truth.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
That is a good point but I know of no way to help deluded people than to try to educate them. I fail to see why otherwise intelligent people seem to think this Obama character is all that much better or different than any of the other goons the establishment would be just as happy to foist off on us. If people would pay attention they would see that of all the people running the only one the establishment crowd is really opposed to is the best man running, Ron Paul. And Ron would be right at home in the company of Washington and Jefferson in my opinion. "I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. So you favor shutting down free speech and prohibiting people from saying what you don't like? Why doesn't that make you a greater threat to liberty than the people you are criticizing?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
That's the spirit! I will be doing the same, on the remote chance that he doesn't win the nomination. ;)
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#2. To: Sam Houston (#1)
#3. To: Sam Houston (#1)
I wonder why he is still behind in Ohio? Is the racism of that state just WAY worse than that of Texas?
Lord Acton
#4. To: Sam Houston (#1)
#5. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
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#6. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
#7. To: aristeides (#5)
#8. To: ghostdogtxn (#7)
#9. To: aristeides (#5)
Lord Acton
#10. To: aristeides (#8)
#11. To: James Deffenbach (#9)
I am more interested in how he votes on socialist crap than I am on hearing or reading his speeches. Most politicians can make good speeches because they have good speech writers.
#12. To: aristeides (#11)
Only Hillary and McCain have not been making that kind of speech.
Lord Acton
#13. To: James Deffenbach (#12)
#14. To: aristeides (#13)
You seem to think all people who do not share your view of what taxes are allowed under the Constitution do not believe in the Constitution at all. That doesn't leave many people.
Lord Acton
#15. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
#16. To: ghostdogtxn (#0)
....went to volunteer at the local Obama campaign office here in Houston last night
#17. To: aristeides (#15)
The income tax is only one issue. One that we have had to live with for many decades. Since 1913, to be precise.
Lord Acton
#18. To: Sam Houston (#1)
Is the racism of that state just WAY worse than that of Texas?
#19. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
#20. To: Sam Houston (#19)
I view Obama as a "feel good" rhetorician who will accomplish, by and large, nothing in office...
Lord Acton
#21. To: mirage (#18)
Being unwilling to vote for Obama for any reason is now racism?
#22. To: Cynicom (#2)
Obama 85,000 votes..
#23. To: James Deffenbach (#14)
If you think that there may not be a lot of help for you
#24. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
#25. To: James Deffenbach (#17)
#26. To: James Deffenbach (#20)
#27. To: aristeides (#23)
Funny thing. I don't recall asking for help either.
Lord Acton
#28. To: Sam Houston (#21)
Her candidacy has basically imploded. There is no reason to vote FOR her anymore. But - and I could be wrong - there may be a view among some Ohioans that at least she is "one of us."
#29. To: noone222 (#24)
Yup, I got 2 brain cells ... adequately functioning ... and you're right.
Lord Acton
#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#25)
True, but he might get us out of Iraq. That's a start.
Lord Acton
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#30)
#32. To: Sodie Pop (#26)
James-I read some of your postings, and looked at your silly little cartoon, and well, I think you might want to consider having your head examined. Just some free, friendly, unsolicitited advice of course.
Lord Acton
#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
My guy is Ron Paul, and I'll still be writing him in, no matter what else happens.
Lord Acton
#34. To: mirage (#28)
So, the main reason to vote FOR Hillary is simply because she has articulated her plans up-front. Neither Obama nor McCain have really done that. Its a vote AGAINST mushiness.
#35. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#34)
McCain was pretty clear about his plan to keep US troops in the Middle East for the next 100 years.
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
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I wish someone could explain to me why one freakin' communist is that much better than the other ones. Obama, Clinton, McCain, three peas in a socialist/communist pod. A pox on all of them and a plague on all their houses!
#37. To: RickyJ (#36)
I can't stand Hillary, but if they kill her, who would care?
Lord Acton
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#29)
But then they are entitled to believe he is great if they want to.
#39. To: noone222 (#38)
"...when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it?..."
Lord Acton
#40. To: noone222 (#38)
when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it?
#41. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
My guy is Ron Paul, and I'll still be writing him in, no matter what else happens.
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