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Title: Complete Meltdown in Obama's Texas Campaign
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Published: Feb 29, 2008
Author: "Bucky"
Post Date: 2008-02-29 11:03:11 by ghostdogtxn
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#28. To: Sam Houston (#21)
Let me throw out some reasons why that is an erroneous assumption. Please excuse the stream-of-consciousness. With Hillary, you actually have some idea as to what you are going to get. She has articulated her plans in enough detail so that voters have at least some idea as to what they will get, good and hard though it may be. Obama is a peddler of "hope and change" with very little in terms of specifics as to what he stands for, what he will do, and how he will go about it. When I go into the booth to cast my vote, I'll take the candidate that tells me up-front how badly they are going to screw me over a candidate who offers mushy rhetoric with nothing behind it any day of the week. There is also the "pick the Devil you know" attitude that is always present but everyone forgets about. So, the main reason to vote FOR Hillary is simply because she has articulated her plans up-front. Neither Obama nor McCain have really done that. Its a vote AGAINST mushiness. Whether or not her campaign is imploding is not relevant. Many voters are simply so cynical these days that they prefer knowing how badly they are going to be screwed up-front as opposed to wondering how badly someone is going to rob and rape them later. Now, add to that the "I'm tired of being called a racist" people out there. The Obama campaign is running on a veiled "Vote for me or you're a racist" theme. That is a big turnoff to a lot of people. They won't vote for race-baiters. Anyhow, just some thoughts on this.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
Thanks.I just don't think Obama is all some people make him out to be. But then they are entitled to believe he is great if they want to. I still say that anyone who is a big favorite with the establishment media whores is no good. And Obama is their "golden boy" at the moment, at least he seems to be.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. He will if that is what he is told to do. Otherwise we will be bogged down there just like we are now. And of course the neocons want to attack Iran, just looking for an excuse. I hope this Obama guy is all some of you think he is but I truly doubt it.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.
"It does not take a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brush fires of freedom in the minds of men." -- Samuel Adams (1722-1803)‡
And worth every penny it cost. Thank you so much. As for the "silly little cartoon" that is from one of the best movies made in the last 25 years (at least), V for Vendetta. You might ought to watch it if you haven't--but then if you had you would know that the little cartoon isn't "silly."
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Yes, Ron is my choice too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. McCain was pretty clear about his plan to keep US troops in the Middle East for the next 100 years. I happen to think that mushiness can work to our advantage. Because Obama is an empty suit, four years in office might be as harmless as his campaign. He'll talk about "hope and change" without actually DOING anything. Which is a good thing, compared to someone like Hillary, who has the details of her plan to continue destroying this country all ironed out.
McCain has no plan on how he would do so, thus, as far as this voter is concerned, its more empty bullshit. Methinks the main thing is not to underestimate the cynicism level of the American electorate in this day and age. Everyone is fed up and pissed off. As a result, anything can happen.
America is not at war. The military is at war. America is at the mall and the Congress is out to lunch.
They all suck, except maybe Ron Paul. But there is a reason to hope that Obama doesn't win over Hillary or McCain. If Obama wins the elite will have the perfect opportunity to really divide this nation and start martial law by killing Obama and then blaming it on White Supremacists. I can't stand Hillary, but if they kill her, who would care?
God is always good!
Bill? BWAHAHAHA, as a friend of mine says, "sometimes I crack my own self up." You make some good points.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. Here we may part company, Jimbo. While the definition of entitlement is pertinent my point here is not to debate that, but to ask the question, when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it? We have a society going mad dog because the few willing to study the many factors and factions corrupting the entire social infrastructure aren't able to overcome the ignorant masses led about by propagandists spouting shallow sound bites. In a truly free society those able to see through the fraud should at a minimum be allowed to withdraw from the fraudulent society and form their own. This is not being allowed, nor will it be because the lack of knowledge among the masses makes it possible for tyrants to operate their agenda as long as they stick a pacifier in the masses mouth to suck on while they ignore facts and truth.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
That is a good point but I know of no way to help deluded people than to try to educate them. I fail to see why otherwise intelligent people seem to think this Obama character is all that much better or different than any of the other goons the establishment would be just as happy to foist off on us. If people would pay attention they would see that of all the people running the only one the establishment crowd is really opposed to is the best man running, Ron Paul. And Ron would be right at home in the company of Washington and Jefferson in my opinion. "I know no safe depositary of the ultimate powers of the society but the people themselves; and if we think them not enlightened enough to exercise their control with a wholesome discretion, the remedy is not to take it from them, but to inform their discretion by education. This is the true corrective of abuses of constitutional power." --Thomas Jefferson to William C. Jarvis, 1820.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. So you favor shutting down free speech and prohibiting people from saying what you don't like? Why doesn't that make you a greater threat to liberty than the people you are criticizing?
To reason, indeed, he was not in the habit of attending. His mode of arguing, if it is to be so called, was one not uncommon among dull and stubborn persons, who are accustomed to be surrounded by their inferiors. He asserted a proposition; and, as often as wiser people ventured respectfully to show that it was erroneous, he asserted it again, in exactly the same words, and conceived that, by doing so, he at once disposed of all objections. - Macaulay, "History of England," Vol. 1, Chapter 6, on James II.
That's the spirit! I will be doing the same, on the remote chance that he doesn't win the nomination. ;)
Rebates for Ron - Ron Paul For Dummies - New R3volution
Well, maybe I should have put it differently than that and I think (without looking back to the original post) my position would be that anyone can say and think what they choose as long as several of them aren't capable simply because they can out vote me, to have an impact upon my freedom. Our democratic republic, based upon fundamental principles embodied in the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, and Bill of Rights, has been misconstrued by the ignorant as a mobocracy. This error causes the minority that are aware of their rights to suffer the consequences of the ignorant. Maybe that better states my position.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
Here's the rest of what I had posted that you left out of your response to it. In a truly free society those able to see through the fraud should at a minimum be allowed to withdraw from the fraudulent society and form their own. This is not being allowed, nor will it be because the lack of knowledge among the masses makes it possible for tyrants to operate their agenda as long as they stick a pacifier in the masses mouth to suck on while they ignore facts and truth.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
I don't think either of the other major candidates has done anything like that. That's why Obama has my vote this November!
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I'm surprised at your choice, Arator. But he seems to have momentum these days. I think the Pubbies are going to get landslided into the snake pit nationally.
hear! hear!
Not too surprising, considering I want the GOP to be utterly repudiated and destroyed for their embrace of the worst kind of fascist tyranny and their rejection of the founding principles of this country. I think the Pubbies are going to get landslided into the snake pit nationally. Yep. Obama has the political skills, inate intelligence and charisma to gut the GOP like a fish. He's the perfect instrument of their destruction. That's why I support him.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
I don't think either of the other major candidates has done anything like that. That's why Obama has my vote this November! Whenever Obama says something really terrific, his opponents say those are just words. If they are just words, then why won't any of the other major candidates say this?
'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
LOL. Yea, I know. But if we don't vote, we make it easier for them to steal it. A landslide for Obama will be harder for them to twist into a McCain win.
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Maybe Obama is the selected one.
He may be. But then, so was JFK. And they had to kill him because he was too smart not to fight the criminals in the CIA, Pentagon and Federal Reserve, and charismatic enough to possibly win. A smart and charismatic president can be dangerous, even to the selectors. Obama has the potential to be another president like JFK. Maybe, this time, unlike JFK, he can live long enough to do some real damage.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
an intriguing thought
'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.' What a promising way to enact martial law. Obama picked off, blacks riot en mass across the country, mission accomplished...
Never swear "allegiance" to anything other than the 'right to change your mind'!
Obama picked off, blacks riot en mass across the country, mission accomplished... Damn. What a terrifying thought. It fits their MO to a T. Still, we can't let that possibility intimidate us into settling for Clinton or McCain. If they dare to do that, it won't be just blacks rioting in the streets. It'll be whites too. It's 2008. I don't think they can divide and conquer us along racial lines by such manipulations anymore. Black and white Americans are all in this together. And we have a common enemy to defeat. I trust that everything this rotten regime tries will blowback to build up the forces that will eventually destroy it. So, let them do their worst...and we will do ours, knowing that, if we do, in the end, no matter what they do, we win.
Check out my blog, America, the Bushieful.
Would that be done before the democrap congress passes 'slavery reparations' which the president would sign into law? The nation would then be enslaved to come up with all the funds for the next umteen generations to pay for said slavery reparations.
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
If you're losin' sleep over that one, a cheap OTC sleep pill should take care of it.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Report from "on the ground in Ohio". Not to worry. It will not be the first time Obama trailed in pre-vote polls and blasted Hitlery out of the water.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
Best case scenario: Obama wins the Presidency, followed by a GOP sweep of Congress. We get 4 years of partisan gridlock while Obama keeps talking about "hope and change," and no harm is done. Bad Scenario: Obama wins Presidency, Democrats hold onto Congress. He signs bill after bill pushing increased welfare spending, affirmative action, gun control, amnesty for illegal aliens, and "peacekeeping" missions to civil and tribal war zones in Africa. Worst Case Scenario: McCain wins the Presidency, GOP takes back Congress. Result: They do pretty much the same thing as the Democrats at home, combined with a full scale war with Iran, escalation in Iraq, Afghanistan, a likely invasion of Pakistan, and a strong possibility of nuclear confrontation with China and Russia.
yea, yea, yea...........like I loose sleep over the friggin gubmint!
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
You make hysterical sounding posts and you get the appropriate replies. BTW, "Sunshine", your tag line is ironically amusing.
Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot
I don't 'do' hysterial...you must have a problem with your eyes. :)
Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.
When the serious decide to put an immediate halt to the terror coming out of D.C., senatorial body bags need only be stacked 50 deep to change the entire political atmosphere, and adherence to the organic principles reinstituted among those 50 others remaining. At first consideration this might seem an extreme act, but compared to the millions murdered around the world by these pencil necked prostitutes and scumbags, the thousands murdered on 9-11, the millions incarcerated for pot and domestic violence ... think about it ... removing this filth from our midst could be considered social hygiene.
And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner
Yeah, right up there with SPEED, SPEED II, and TOP GUN, I'll bet. Yeah, "I might ought" to watch it.
There you go. Judge it without watching it. Saves a lot of time.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end. My time is important to me. So why the hell am I bothering with you? ;) Hey...have a good day. You probably aren't such a bad sort after all.
Most people who get to know me a little don't seem to think I am too bad. And I try to get along with everyone unless they draw first blood. And then it depends on my mood. You have a good day too.
Liberty is not a means to a higher political end. It is itself the highest political end.Her candidacy has basically imploded. There is no reason to vote FOR her anymore. But - and I could be wrong - there may be a view among some Ohioans that at least she is "one of us."
#29. To: noone222 (#24)
Yup, I got 2 brain cells ... adequately functioning ... and you're right.
Lord Acton
#30. To: ghostdogtxn (#25)
True, but he might get us out of Iraq. That's a start.
Lord Acton
#31. To: James Deffenbach (#30)
#32. To: Sodie Pop (#26)
James-I read some of your postings, and looked at your silly little cartoon, and well, I think you might want to consider having your head examined. Just some free, friendly, unsolicitited advice of course.
Lord Acton
#33. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
My guy is Ron Paul, and I'll still be writing him in, no matter what else happens.
Lord Acton
#34. To: mirage (#28)
So, the main reason to vote FOR Hillary is simply because she has articulated her plans up-front. Neither Obama nor McCain have really done that. Its a vote AGAINST mushiness.
#35. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#34)
McCain was pretty clear about his plan to keep US troops in the Middle East for the next 100 years.
#36. To: James Deffenbach (#3)
(Edited)
I wish someone could explain to me why one freakin' communist is that much better than the other ones. Obama, Clinton, McCain, three peas in a socialist/communist pod. A pox on all of them and a plague on all their houses!
#37. To: RickyJ (#36)
I can't stand Hillary, but if they kill her, who would care?
Lord Acton
#38. To: James Deffenbach (#29)
But then they are entitled to believe he is great if they want to.
#39. To: noone222 (#38)
"...when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it?..."
Lord Acton
#40. To: noone222 (#38)
when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it?
#41. To: ghostdogtxn (#31)
My guy is Ron Paul, and I'll still be writing him in, no matter what else happens.
#42. To: aristeides (#40)
when someone elses opinion unsupported by facts becomes detrimental to others, is it in fact a right for them to continue promoting it?
#43. To: aristeides (#40)
#44. To: aristeides, christine, Jethro Tull (#5)
In his speech the other day accepting Dodd's endorsement, Obama repeated his previous calls for closing Guantanamo, restoring habeas corpus, and following the Constitution. He also expressed his support for Dodd's filibuster against immunity for the telecoms' illegal snooping and his opposition to the immunity and the snooping.
#45. To: Arator (#44)
#46. To: noone222 (#43)
In a truly free society those able to see through the fraud should at a minimum be allowed to withdraw from the fraudulent society and form their own. This is not being allowed, nor will it be because the lack of knowledge among the masses makes it possible for tyrants to operate their agenda as long as they stick a pacifier in the masses mouth to suck on while they ignore facts and truth.
#47. To: Fred Mertz (#45)
(Edited)
I'm surprised at your choice, Arator. But he seems to have momentum these days.
#48. To: Arator, Brian S, iconoclast, Elliott Jackalope (#44)
In his speech the other day accepting Dodd's endorsement, Obama repeated his previous calls for closing Guantanamo, restoring habeas corpus, and following the Constitution. He also expressed his support for Dodd's filibuster against immunity for the telecoms' illegal snooping and his opposition to the immunity and the snooping.
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#49. To: Arator (#44)
#50. To: Jethro Tull (#49)
(Edited)
Vote fraud litany
#51. To: Arator (#50)
#52. To: buckeye (#51)
(Edited)
Maybe Obama is the selected one.
#53. To: Arator, aristeides, Brian S, iconoclast, Elliott Jackalope (#52)
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#54. To: Arator (#52)
#55. To: Brian S (#54)
What a promising way to enact martial law.
#56. To: Brian S (#54)
#57. To: rowdee (#56)
Would that be done before the democrap congress passes 'slavery reparations' which the president would sign into law?
#58. To: Sam Houston (#1)
I wonder why he is still behind in Ohio?
#59. To: Arator (#52)
(Edited)
A smart and charismatic president can be dangerous, even to the selectors. Obama has the potential to be another president like JFK. Maybe, this time, unlike JFK, he can live long enough to do some real damage.
#60. To: iconoclast (#57)
#61. To: rowdee (#60)
yea, yea, yea...........like I loose sleep over the friggin gubmint!
#62. To: iconoclast (#61)
#63. To: Arator (#55)
Damn. What a terrifying thought. It fits their MO to a T. Still, we can't let that possibility intimidate us into settling for Clinton or McCain.
#64. To: James Deffenbach (#32)
As for the "silly little cartoon" that is from one of the best movies made in the last 25 years (at least), V for Vendetta.
#65. To: Sodie Pop (#64)
Yeah, right up there with SPEED, SPEED II, and TOP GUN, I'll bet.
Lord Acton
#66. To: James Deffenbach (#65)
Saves a lot of time.
#67. To: Sodie Pop (#66)
Lord Acton
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