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Title: Military heat ray gun zaps 60 Minutes reporter
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URL Source: http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Milit ... heat_ray_gun_zaps_60_0229.html
Published: Feb 29, 2008
Author: David Edwards and Chris Tackett
Post Date: 2008-03-01 06:52:10 by robin
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"You have to feel the ray gun to believe it," says 60 Minutes correspondent David Martin, speaking about a non-lethal weapon the Pentagon has developed, "and there's only one way to do that." Martin was reportedly "zapped" 17 times for this piece, demonstrating the effects, as well as the possibility that a person could reduce the impact with shields of various materials. "The gun is really an antenna which shoots out this very high-frequency radio beam that penetrates the skin to a depth of 1/64 of an inch, which is just deep enough to hit the nerves," says Martin. "And it creates this instantaneous sensation of heat which makes anyone who is hit with it try to get out of the way as fast as possible. "And the second you do get out of the way, the pain goes away," Martin continued. "And the point is that this gun, which has a range of roughly half a mile - the exact range is classified - can make you stop whatever it is you're doing." It seems that is the intended benefit of this weapon, which Martin says causes the sensation of being scalded with hot water. He asks, "How many innocent lives have been lost by someone approaching a check-point and not heeding the warning signs that American soldiers were giving them ...? Now you have this gun. If you shoot that ray gun at someone and they keep coming you can safely assume that they have evil intent and have cleared the way to use more lethal force, which would be their rifle." This video is from CBSNews.com, broadcast February 28, 2008.
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#1. To: robin (#0)
When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.
Only fools think weapons like this will remain on one side only. I expect to hear about cops being tazed by criminals any day now.
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Wonderful idea. Because when a bunch of panicked civilians fleeing a war zone are running at you and you are screaming at them in a language they don't understand and waving a weapon in their faces, the best thing to do is give them all the sensation that they are being boiled alive. Yes, that should calm things down in a jiffy.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
lol
'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.' I wonder if a lightweight older (larger) satellite dish, covered in shiny foil would reflect it back toward the source?
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Bullshit! This thing isn't meant for the military. They are just doing the field testing. That damned thing is meant to be used on Americans.
"I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price." Vir Cotto, Babylon 5
Solid thinking - as usual. If it's a radio frequency, I'm not sure that you'd even need the foil...
Join the Ron Paul Revolution The other option is a well placed round... hehehe
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no doubt it will be handy for crowd control
'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.' Andy Rooney wasn't available?
Join the Ron Paul Revolution I believe they chose the youngest 60 Minutes reporter they could find for this test. I do trust he volunteered.
'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.' I seem to recall that the weapon was tested in the war zone, and it required a team of armed men stationed around it to protect the vehicle and operator, and once the crowds understood the weapon's capabilities they simply stayed out of sight. So, it ended up being a bunch of marines standing out in the open (exposed to fire from hidden snipers) with no crowd to control. In other words, the weapon is an expensive Rube Goldberg with limited utility. And, instead of using a large dish to reflect the signal back and presenting an attractive target for rifle fire from them, wouldn't it be better to use a rifle to force them to leave the area? The team that's assigned to protect the weapon won't leave to find your sniper hide because the weapon and operator would then be left unprotected. And, if they hide to keep you from getting a shot at them, then the weapon is useless and should have been left in the crate in the first place. Summary: A man with a heat ray weapon is no match for a sniper who knows his stuff.
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Join the Ron Paul Revolution Now drop a Leupold Tactical scope on top and you're good to go.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution That was my first thought, some time ago when I heard about this thing. I was musing aloud about the satellite dish. It would be fun to try it though, anyhow.
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Right. With optics you get what you pay for, and Leupold is the best.
It would be fun to try it though, anyhow. Right. I'd be curious to know if the reflected beam would still be effective. I believe prisms are used to bend lasers, but we're talking radio waves here so a hard or mirrored surface is the logical way to bounce it back. My guess is that the reflected beam would be too diffused to be a weapon against those who're fire it, though. Remember, a satellite dish is a collector, not a transmission antenna.
A satellite dish is actually a parabolic reflector. Waves are focused and reflected by the dish into the feed horn.
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Right. With optics you get what you pay for, and Leupold is the best. I concur. I have a VX-III tactical on my .308. Best scope I ever owned. I did recently acquire an older Burris Signature. I have it on a 24" varmint AR15 but I haven't had a chance to see how well it performs. It seems like a damned fine piece of glass though. If it works well, I am sending it to Burris custom shop for target knobs and a mil dot reticle.
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Taking a second look at the video, how on earth could anyone shooting at it miss? Even the blindest insurgent with a rusty AK-47 could pelt that thing with lead at 300 yards. The plywood is what gets me. Just make the sheet a bit bigger, add a riot shield style handle, gets some friends to do the same thing and walk next to you, and advance towards it like the Roman armies of old. Forget rifles, some scraps of wood could get several people within molotov range.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
Right, intended to collect signals, not transmit them.
There are only a few places in the world that manufacture optic lenses, and, it's quite likely that the top notch Burris Signature lenses are made in the same facility as the Leupolds'. You'll be very pleased with it.
Get me an AK and the number of a decent local hotel and we'll see, eh?
"Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them." - Charley Reese
And, that is why the weapon is escorted by a squad of armed soldiers. You'd be in range of an M-79 or M-209 grenade launcher long before they would be in Molotov range. In civilian use (defending Republicans) it would be protected by cops in pummel party gear. The weapon would be in addition to, not a substitute for, the usual thugs who; shoot and sometimes kill people with "rubber" bullets; bludgeon with PR-24s; stomp with hobnail jackboots; attack with dogs and puncture people with firearms. We can only dream that they'd be foolish enough to leave the weapon and it's operator unguarded. I suppose it will be fitted to armored military and police vehicles before the last palm is greased....
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"This language is inexcusable. We are adults, trying to engage in adult civil conversation. This kind of vulgar outburst is like taking a crap in the middle of someone's dining room. You cannot converse in a civil manner, or disagree in a civil manner without resorting to crude vulgarities. Your inability to control yourself creates a situation that forces me to take control of the situation, and clean up the mess. Your account is terminated. " - Goldie Lox
Let me guess. Someone wrote, "Ron Paul is the only candidate who supports and defends the constitution and he would be a great president!" Right?
That admonission come from many years ago.
"This language is inexcusable. We are adults, trying to engage in adult civil conversation. This kind of vulgar outburst is like taking a crap in the middle of someone's dining room. You cannot converse in a civil manner, or disagree in a civil manner without resorting to crude vulgarities. Your inability to control yourself creates a situation that forces me to take control of the situation, and clean up the mess. Your account is terminated. " - Goldie Lox
It's tough to buy 'bad' optics these days. Most any of them do their job better than do I. As my Grandfather often commented, "A poor workman, blames his tools." Lots of truth there, I've come to realize.
Join the Ron Paul Revolution And, that is why the weapon is escorted by a squad of armed soldiers. You'd be in range of an M-79 or M-209 grenade launcher long before they would be in Molotov range. True. However, this does point out that the situation is right back at square one and points out the main flaw. The press and military plays it up as some kind of wonder weapon that will take the death out of riots and warfare. With some simple wood sheets you force police and soldiers right back into the shoot or be shot situation. Not to mention TV footage of civilians armed with plywood sheets being mowed down by Marines with grenade launchers and squad automatics is not the way to win friends. In civilian use (defending Republicans) it would be protected by cops in pummel party gear. Can't argue here. I suppose there is an advantage to not caring how big of a monster people think you are. And Iraqies are much more inclinded to shoot back than Americans. Then again, in the early years of WWII the Germans were convinced that Russian Katyusha rocket launchers emitted "death rays" upon impact. The things they did to the crews when they captured them...eesh. I know I would not want to be the poor SOB pulled out from behind that glorified satallite dish by an angry mob I'd been zapping all day.
"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me. "If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.
I would never have believed how much difference good glass can make until I saw it for myself on my varmint AR15. I bought it with the Leupold 4.5 - 14 VX-III on it. I took it to the range late one afternoon, on an overcast, drizzly day and put 10 rounds into a 1 1/2" wide by 1" high oblong circle at 200 meters. It would consistently produce results like that. I felt like if you showed me an eyeball at 200 meters, I could poke it out for you, no problem. Then I picked up my .308 without glass. After some deliberation I bought a Springfield Armory 4-14 tactical calibrated for .223 bullet drop, and put that on the AR and moved the Leupold to the .308. My group size with the AR nearly tripled with the Springfield scope on it. It became an average shooter at best, but I could poke that eyeball out with the .308 now. lol I sent the Springfield scope back thinking the reticle was moving around a bit or something, but they sent it back saying it was fine. I sold it on ebay. I'm kinda hoping that the Burris will get my AR back to its old self. If not, I'll put it on my .243 and break down and buy another Leupold. The trouble is, I have a tough time parting with $800 for a scope. :) The reason that rainy day stands out is that I think on that particular day, the way I was shooting, if it hadn't been dark, and rainy, and breezy, I coulda gotten that group down to less than an inch. I was in the zone man! And that was with South African surplus ammo.
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With some simple wood sheets you force police and soldiers right back into the shoot or be shot situation. Not to mention TV footage of civilians armed with plywood sheets being mowed down by Marines with grenade launchers and squad automatics is not the way to win friends. In civilian use (defending Republicans) it would be protected by cops in pummel party gear. Can't argue here. I suppose there is an advantage to not caring how big of a monster people think you are. And Iraqies are much more inclinded to shoot back than Americans. Then again, in the early years of WWII the Germans were convinced that Russian Katyusha rocket launchers emitted "death rays" upon impact. The things they did to the crews when they captured them...eesh. I know I would not want to be the poor SOB pulled out from behind that glorified satallite dish by an angry mob I'd been zapping all day. Good post.
Why you should not use this on star ships passing too close.
#2. To: robin (#0)
Now you have this gun. If you shoot that ray gun at someone and they keep coming you can safely assume that they have evil intent and have cleared the way to use more lethal force, which would be their rifle."
#3. To: robin (#0)
He asks, "How many innocent lives have been lost by someone approaching a check-point and not heeding the warning signs that American soldiers were giving them ...? Now you have this gun. If you shoot that ray gun at someone and they keep coming you can safely assume that they have evil intent and have cleared the way to use more lethal force, which would be their rifle."
#4. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#3)
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#5. To: RickyJ (#2)
#6. To: robin (#0)
He asks, "How many innocent lives have been lost by someone approaching a check-point and not heeding the warning signs that American soldiers were giving them ...?
#7. To: Critter (#5)
I wonder if a lightweight older (larger) satellite dish, covered in shiny foil would reflect it back toward the source?
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#8. To: lodwick (#7)
#9. To: orangedog (#6)
Bullshit! This thing isn't meant for the military. They are just doing the field testing. That damned thing is meant to be used on Americans.
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#10. To: robin (#0)
Martin was reportedly "zapped"
I've already said too much.
#11. To: robin. the thread (#9)
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#12. To: MUDDOG (#10)
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.
#13. To: Critter, lodwick (#5)
I wonder if a lightweight older (larger) satellite dish, covered in shiny foil would reflect it back toward the source?
#14. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)
Summary: A man with a heat ray weapon is no match for a sniper who knows his stuff.
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#15. To: lodwick, Jethro Tull, robin, rowdee, christine (#14)
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#16. To: HOUNDDAWG. Shooters here (#15)
Yep - that's the one.
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#17. To: HOUNDDAWG (#13)
wouldn't it be better to use a rifle to force them to leave the area?
#18. To: lodwick (#16)
Now drop a Leupold Tactical scope on top and you're good to go
#19. To: Critter (#17)
That was my first thought, some time ago when I heard about this thing. I was musing aloud about the satellite dish.
#20. To: HOUNDDAWG (#19)
Remember, a satellite dish is a collector, not a transmission antenna.
#21. To: HOUNDDAWG, lodwick (#18)
Now drop a Leupold Tactical scope on top and you're good to go
#22. To: robin (#0)
#23. To: Critter (#20)
A satellite dish is actually a parabolic reflector....
#24. To: Critter (#21)
Burris Signature
#25. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#22)
Taking a second look at the video, how on earth could anyone shooting at it miss? Even the blindest insurgent with a rusty AK-47 could pelt that thing with lead at 300 yards.
#26. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#22)
Forget rifles, some scraps of wood could get several people within molotov range.
#27. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)
#28. To: Dakmar (#27)
"This language is inexcusable. We are adults, trying to engage in adult civil conversation. This kind of vulgar outburst is like taking a crap in the middle of someone's dining room. You cannot converse in a civil manner, or disagree in a civil manner without resorting to crude vulgarities. Your inability to control yourself creates a situation that forces me to take control of the situation, and clean up the mess. Your account is terminated. " - Goldie Lox
#29. To: HOUNDDAWG (#28)
#30. To: Critter, HOUNDDAWG, shooters (#21)
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#31. To: HOUNDDAWG (#26)
Forget rifles, some scraps of wood could get several people within molotov range.
#32. To: lodwick (#30)
"A poor workman, blames his tools."
#33. To: Critter (#32)
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#34. To: lodwick (#33)
#35. To: Pissed Off Janitor (#31)
True. However, this does point out that the situation is right back at square one and points out the main flaw. The press and military plays it up as some kind of wonder weapon that will take the death out of riots and warfare.
#36. To: Critter (#34)
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