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Title: Grief Stricken Father Sentenced to Six Years in Prison (My Title)
Source: Toledo Blade
URL Source: http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 80301/NEWS02/803010412/-1/NEWS
Published: Mar 1, 2008
Author: BLADE STAFF WRITER
Post Date: 2008-03-01 09:07:05 by iconoclast
Keywords: None
Views: 1636
Comments: 139

Article published Saturday, March 1, 2008

Fackelman given nearly 6 years in home invasion

Sentence includes ban from Bedford Twp.

By MARK REITER BLADE STAFF WRITER

MONROE - A Toledo man who claimed he couldn't recall pulling a loaded handgun on the man he held responsible for causing the road-rage death of his teenage son will serve at least 5 3/4 years in prison.

At the sentencing for Charles Fackelman in Monroe County Circuit Court, Judge Joseph Costello, Jr., said the defendant's actions in the March 24 gun toting attack on Randy Krell and his neighbor were methodical and controlled.

"Everything you did that day demonstrates to me that you knew what you were doing," the judge said.

Fackelman, 47, was convicted after a jury trial in January on two counts of felonious assault, home invasion, and gun possession. He will receive credit for the 31 days he has served in the county jail.

At his trial, Fackelman took the stand and claimed he didn't remember driving to the Lambertville home of Mr. Krell, pulling a loaded gun, pursuing him to the home of the neighbor, Thomas Williams, and kicking down the steel door of Mr. Williams' house in an attempt to get to Mr. Krell.

Not guilty by reason of insanity was among the verdicts that the jury could have reached. Instead, the panel found Fackelman guilty but mentally ill.

Judge Costello imposed a two-year mandatory sentence for the gun possession conviction and added 3 3/4 years to 20 years to the punishment for the other offenses. Fackelman also was ordered to never enter Bedford Township upon his release from prison without the court's permission.

Mr. Krell, 52, was released from the county jail Feb. 20 for the sentence he received for chasing after a carload of teenagers in June, 2006, after one of them tossed a water bottle at his car.

The car, driven by Austin Oberle, went out of control at a Whiteford Township intersection and crashed into a tree, killing Charlie Fackelman, the defendant's 17-year-old son, and seriously injuring a teenage girl.

Mr. Krell, a former Bedford Public Schools board member, was convicted in a jury trial in August of negligent homicide. He served about five months of a nine-month jail sentence.

Mr. Williams, who is an assistant principal at Dundee High School, and Mr. Krell were in the courtroom for the sentencing yesterday, but neither victim wanted to make a statement to the court. They left the packed courtroom immediately.

Fackelman, who was dismissed from his job with the U.S. Postal Service, didn't make a statement at his sentencing.

A day before the confrontation at Mr. Krell's home - and 32 days after the crash that killed his son - Fackelman attended the Whitmer High School baseball team's first home game of the season. His son would have been a senior and the team's starting shortstop.

According to testimony, the defendant acted strangely and stood alone at the game. Witnesses said he stared into the infield at the position that Charlie would have played. His wife, Janet, testified that her husband came home from the game, went to his bedroom, and cried himself to sleep.

Kenneth Simon, a Wayne County, Michigan, assistant prosecutor who handled the case, argued to Judge Costello that a message needed to be sent to discourage others from taking the law into their own hands.

"What would have happened in this case if Randy Krell had not gone to Mr. Williams' house? I think at the very least that Mr. Fackelman's intent was more than pointing a gun at Mr. Krell," Mr. Simon said.

Defense attorney Asad Farah argued for leniency and asked the judge to depart from state sentencing guidelines.

Mr. Farah said the tragic death of his son threw Fackelman into mental illness and he couldn't deal with the loss, causing unusual mitigating factors in the case.

"He needs help. He needs to continue on with his medication. He needs to continue on with his therapy," Mr. Farah said. "There is no dispute that he has a mental illness. The question is whether he will receive help under a prison sanction."

Judge Costello said that Fackelman put the victims and their families as well as their neighborhood in a state of fear, to the point that Mr. Williams became suspicious when a strange vehicle drove past.

"No one should have to live like that," the judge said.

Under state law, Fackelman will not be eligible to appear before the parole board until he serves the minimum punishment of 69 months.

Fackelman also was ordered by Judge Costello to pay restitution of $1,564 to Mr. Williams and his insurance carrier for the damage that he did to the home.

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#100. To: RickyJ (#99)

So if someone starts chasing you at a high speed, and you are clueless as to why (consider, even if one teen in the car had thrown the bottle deliberately - which I doubt - the driver may well have had no knowledge), you would have pulled over and asked the unknown why are you chasing me?

Do you really think that's reasonable? And these were teenagers.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   12:50:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: castletrash, rickyj (#98)

their would be nothing to 'talk out' if the stupid hoodlums had not lived their lives in a fashion that they thought it was cool to go around assaulting strangers for nothing. hence they died and are paralyzed. there is no escaping ther fact, they started, caused, and initiated their own demise. i have never seen a stranger and got the sick idea it was fun to assault or harass them for fun. have you? if not, that is why we're probably both healthy and alive today.

the dead and paralized idiots didn't know as much. maybe bad parenting?

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   12:52:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: robin (#100) (Edited)

So if someone starts chasing you at a high speed, and you are clueless as to why (consider, even if one teen in the car had thrown the bottle deliberately - which I doubt - the driver may well have had no knowledge), you would have pulled over and asked the unknown why are you chasing me?

Do you really think that's reasonable? And these were teenagers.

Oberle pleaded guilty last week to two felonies resulting from his role in the crash.

He pleaded guilty. He knew he was guilty.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   12:53:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: Artisan (#101)

A plastic water bottle that may have been tossed out as litter is not "assualting strangers". No damage was suffered to Krell's vehicle.

There was no alcohol involved, and so far I've read nothing that states the plastic water bottle was thrown at Krell's car intentionally.

There is no evidence that these were bad kids.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   12:55:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: Artisan (#90)

"........had no reason to feel guilty and run."

Fleeing doesn't mean guilt, just exiting a bad situation. Road rage often involves imaginary

slights and gunplay. And chasing a lone woman down has its own set of fears. A minor fender bender

between a lone woman , and a man who stopped short in front of her, is sometimes the first step to a

rape.Your wife was right to call 911, and would not be wrong to flee the situation.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-03   12:56:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: robin (#100)

So if someone starts chasing you at a high speed, and you are clueless as to why

a chase must be reciproal. I believe human nature and reason would prevent any person from fleeing at high speed someone on a busy city street for absoluetely no known reason, theyd never seen them before and had no reason to fear or run. it would merely be a bad rear end accident, with the potential chaser hitting a parked car.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   12:59:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: Artisan (#105)

I believe human nature and reason would prevent any person from fleeing at high speed someone on a busy city street for absoluetely no known reason,

Being chased down by some unknown who won't pass is a good enough reason to flee for most people.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:02:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: robin (#103)

alcohol or lack of it is irrelevent to me here. If the teens in fact had thrown anything at any moving car, which you conceded may have been purposeful, that is indeed assault, it is illegal,. and is an attack on a person or their property. even if it were mere littering in traffic, while potentially minor, that is also a commission of a purposeful crime.

anytime someone throws anything at a moving car death can very easily result. I agree with the govt that it is a very serious crime and should be treated as such. what do you think would happen if someone threw a water bottle at a cop car? theyd probably unload their service revolver on the thrower and claim their life was endangered.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   13:04:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: robin (#103)

A plastic water bottle that may have been tossed out as litter is not "assualting strangers".

It is when it hits someone.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   13:06:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: Artisan (#107)

A plastic water bottle that did no damage.

A road rage driver who chased a teenage driver to then run into a tree, leaving one dead boy and a paralyzed girl.

If you think that's justice, we have very different ideas about justice.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:07:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Artisan (#105)

I believe human nature

You may believe in human nature but you don't know it. Late at night, when driving alone ,

I won't sit next to another car at a red light if nothing is coming. I'll take the ticket over trust

in human nature. That's called "street smart".

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-03   13:07:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: robin (#103)

There is no evidence that these were bad kids.

There is in the article.

"Oberle pleaded guilty last week to two felonies resulting from his role in the crash."

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   13:09:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: RickyJ (#108)

A plastic water bottle hit someone's car doing no damage whatsoever.

Assault - In most states, an assault/battery is committed when one person 1) tries to or does physically strike another, or 2) acts in a threatening manner to put another in fear of immediate harm. Many states declare that a more serious or "aggravated" assault/battery occurs when one 1) tries to or does cause severe injury to another, or 2) causes injury through use of a deadly weapon. Historically, laws treated the threat of physical injury as "assault", and the completed act of physical contact or offensive touching as "battery," but many states no longer differentiate between the two.

By this definition Krell is guilty of assault. Maybe that's why he got 6 months.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:10:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: robin (#106)

I'm really trying to understand your position about this running/chasing/fleeing issue. for example say i'm in 7-11 getting a big gulp and someone walks up to me very fast. i wouldnt run, they would bump into me. there would be no chase because there is no context for it.

if i had pickpocketed their wallet, and they approached me, then yes i would run .

whereas if a total stranger had come up and hit me, and tried worse, i might run because that would be an attack. there would be a reason to run. but their mere coming towrds me would not predicate a fight or flight response. this arguement boils down to, what would initiate a fight or flight response in someone.

something MUST initiate or predicate a fight or flight response,. That is what i meant when i refered to human nature above.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   13:12:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: robin (#109)

If you think that's justice, we have very different ideas about justice.

If they would have not run form him no one would have died. What were they running from? A lone man in a car? Big deal.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   13:12:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: castletrash (#110)

Late at night, when driving alone ,

I won't sit next to another car at a red light if nothing is coming. I'll take the ticket over trust

in human nature. That's called "street smart".

Not really. That's called stupid in my book.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   13:15:47 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: RickyJ (#111)

You are referencing the charges against the teenage driver, there is nothing mentioned about any previous records for any of the teenagers.

He was the driver of the car and he was driving too fast. His mental state at having been chased was not taken into consideration, IMO. I believe Krell should be held at least partially responsible.

But there is no evidence that these teenagers were ever "bad kids".

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:15:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: RickyJ (#115)

How poetic.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: RickyJ (#111)

what kind of justice puts a thrown water bottle on one side of the scale, and 1 dead ( plus a

handicapped kid ) on the other side of the scale. That bully needed just 1 win in his life soooo bad

that he chased down children. Pathetic.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-03   13:18:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: RickyJ (#66)

If the Judge didn't nip this in the bud then Krell could have been the next victim in this story.

To the contrary, I believe the harsh sentence on the father places Krell in more danger, as those sympathetic to the father would see the sentence as an injustice, and blame Krell for it. Instead of fearing one man, Krell may now have reason to fear many more.

As I said, Krell should be opposed to this sentencing and work to have it reduced. He would be most wise to do so, and a fool if he does nothing.

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Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-03   13:19:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: Artisan (#113)

A plastic water bottle that did no damage to Krell's vehicle is what started his road rage.

He chased the vehicle in front of him. They became aware they were being chased and drove faster to get away.

Why is this a puzzle to you?

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:20:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: robin (#109)

I don't think the outcome of this was good, but we must look at what ron paul and libertarians in general always discuss, the initiation of force. initiation of force, and lets stay with your conceding that the teenagers very well may have initiated this conflict by throwing the bottle at his car on purpose. That is assault, if you dont think so, try tossing a bottle at a cop car. it is also immoral, in my view, as it is the uncesssary unitiated use of force against a completely innocent person minding his own business.

his REACTION to the completely unprovoked assault may very well have been out of line, as is my reaction to things at times as i have recounted. However, he did not initiate any of it, and holds the lesser of guilt.

I dont like mean people who pick on, harass, molest, and bother strangers. they are asking for trouble and will most likely, get it. most times bullies and harassers, who get fun out of bothering innocent people, deserve the fallout they get. these jerks got it in spades. do you think the guy who pled guilty that rickyj referred to will play games like this again? I doubt it. he is now probably a more conscious person.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   13:22:10 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: Artisan (#121)

the initiation of force. initiation of force

How is plastic hitting a car force?

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:23:22 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: robin (#120)

i am not aware of being chased unless there is a context or event that predicates the FIGHT OR FLIGHT response in me. if i am minding my business and done nothing wrong i would never 'run' like a scared jackrabbit. even the rabbit knows he is fleeing a specific danger, the coyote, who wants to eat him.

i contend it is not a normal reaction for anyone of any age, to run from nothing for nothing. hence the kids did not run from nothing, they started a conflict on purpose which they could then not handle the fallout. their reaction negates the arguement that they were innocent and unknowing.

otherwise we may have to agree to disagree on this one. ;-)

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   13:28:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: robin (#122)

plastic or anything hitting a car, especially a moving car, is force and is specifically illegal in CA. now you have me going to find the statute. throwing anything at a moving car is a potentially very easily deadly act, if not from the damage itself, from the reaction of the startled driver.

furthermore in a larger sense assaulting anyones body or property is the very definition of force.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   13:30:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: Artisan (#123)

They were fleeing a car that was chasing them. I would too.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   13:30:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: RickyJ (#115)

"That's called stupid in my book."

OK,,just trying to say some of us, paticularly the young or female amongst us,

don't like to wait to see if were about to be attacked.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-03   13:30:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: robin (#125)

well if you threw something at a car and it chased you, it may be a good idea to flee the victim of your assault. if however youre minding your own business on the street or freeway, you wouldnt even know and could not possibly be 'chased' unless you were running, and had reason to know you had a reason to run. otherwise as i stated earlier in my 7-11 example, all it would be is a rear-end situation where some loon rear ended your vehicle. there would be no chase if you had no reason to run. it would be, driving along and bam, a rear end collision.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   13:48:19 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: All (#124)

here is one mere example of one stupid kid who threw shit at a vehicle, tried unsuccessfully to defend his crime, was rightly convicted of a felony, and lost his appeal in court. Note that there is no need for intent on the thrower to cause serious bodily harm. The case referred to involving 23110 (Spence) referenced by the rock thrower invloved a firearm, but the case in this decision, was a rock. the larger issues involved in this thread are addressed.

The absence of a similar express requirement in section 219.2 evidences an intent to safeguard drivers not only from injury to their persons or vehicles, but also from distractions that could result in such injury. (See Findley v. Justice Court (1976) 62 Cal.App.3d 566, 572 [“highways are constructed and maintained for the benefit of members of the public who have an inalienable right to use them in a reasonable manner without obstruction and interruption”].)

http://www.courtinfo.ca.gov/opinions/archive/B166776.PDF

4 Vehicle Code section 23110, subdivision (b), in effect at the time of Spence, supra, 3 Cal.App.3d 599 provided in relevant part as follows: “‘Any person who with intent to do great bodily injury maliciously and willfully throws or projects any rock, brick, bottle, metal or other missile, or projects any other substance capable of doing serious bodily harm, or discharges a firearm at such vehicle or occupant thereof is guilty of a felony . . . .’” (Id. at p. 602, italics added.) The statute has since been amended to omit from the offense discharge of a firearm. (Veh. Code, § 23110, subd. (b).) 8 throwing objects at a vehicle “with the intent to do great bodily injury.” Defendant relies upon the following statement in that case: “The Vehicle Code violation is limited to attacks aimed at vehicles or their occupants, but it does not require in its commission either the use of a deadly weapon or the present ability to commit a violent injury.” (Spence, supra, 3 Cal.App.3d at p. 603, italics added.)

Defendant argues that by using the term “aimed at,” the court construed “at” as adding to the crime the element of intent to strike or wreck the vehicle. The issue in Spence, however, was not whether the word “at” as used in Vehicle Code section 23110, subdivision (b) means “aimed at” a vehicle, but whether the defendant, who had discharged a firearm at a passing vehicle, could be convicted of both a violation of Vehicle Code section 23110 and assault with a deadly weapon under sections 240 and 245. (Spence, supra, 3 Cal.App.3d at pp. 602-603.) Thus, the court in Spence did not address the issue of intent under Vehicle Code section 23110.

Defendant also argues that section 219.2 requires a defendant actually to hit a bus. The statute contains no such requirement. This is in contrast to section 219.1, which requires not only that a rock be thrown with the intention of wrecking a vehicle, but also that such act “thus wrecks the same.”

The absence of a similar express requirement in section 219.2 evidences an intent to safeguard drivers not only from injury to their persons or vehicles, but also from distractions that could result in such injury. (See Findley v. Justice Court (1976) 62 Cal.App.3d 566, 572 [“highways are constructed and maintained for the benefit of members of the public who have an inalienable right to use them in a reasonable manner without obstruction and interruption”].)

---I. Violation of Section 219.2 Section 219.2 provides: “Every person who willfully throws, hurls, or projects a stone or other hard substance, or shoots a missile, at a train, locomotive, railway car, caboose, cable railway car, street railway car, or bus or at a steam vessel or watercraft used for carrying passengers or freight on any of the waters within or bordering on this state, is punishable by imprisonment in the county jail not exceeding one year, or in a state prison, or by fine not exceeding two thousand dollars ($2,000), or by both such fine and imprisonment.”

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   13:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: castletrash (#126) (Edited)

OK,,just trying to say some of us, paticularly the young or female amongst us,

don't like to wait to see if were about to be attacked.

If you are that scared of strangers then don't go out alone at night at all.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   14:05:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: RickyJ (#129) (Edited)

".. then don't go out alone at night at all. "

A womans best defense is the avoidance of trouble. For your information, there is a whole world

of women who work graveyard shifts and other odd hours, that puts them on the streets late nights

alone.

"..scared of strangers"

Too smart too be a standing target. Sometimes you got to know when to fold them, bye.

castletrash  posted on  2008-03-03   14:16:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: iconoclast (#56)

56. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#41)

Chances are the young hooligans made a hobby out of joyriding every night and throwing things at passers-by from their windows.a Ah, you are prescient as well as God-like.

These are good kids from good families.

I happen to be very slightly acquainted with one of the fathers.

You're making a complete jackass of yourself .... give it a rest.

A-ha. Now I get it. you know one of the hooligans fathers so that clouds all logic, and also, anyone who doesn't vandalize cars is claiming to be 'God- like'? Oy vey.

After your initial bizzare response to me and perousing more of your posts, I see you're a regularly nasty & bitter retired person. perhaps my first bozo on 4um. feel better.

"I don't know where Bin Laden is. I truly am not that concerned about him"
George W, Bush, 3/13/02 http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2002/03/20020313-8.html

Artisan  posted on  2008-03-03   14:27:41 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: robin (#116) (Edited)

You make these teenagers out to be poor little children being chased by a mean angry man. Krell may not even have known they were teenagers, and even if he did that doesn't make them little children. Teenagers can be just as big or bigger than an average adult so it is not immediately clear to anyone driving by them that they are teenagers. Krell wasn't thinking clearly by chasing down a car load of people that could have harmed him if they wanted to. They had already threw something at him and could have done more damage at any time. If these "kids" where really good and done nothing wrong they could have handled Krell in a reasonable manner, not by running from him. They never had to run from him. Krell didn't threaten them in any way.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   15:25:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: Artisan (#131)

A-ha. Now I get it. you know one of the hooligans fathers so that clouds all logic

You get it? LOL. That's beyond your ken.

I know know one of the fathers from having had him date one of my three beautiful daughters over thirty years ago. I know only that he is of a longstanding local family and is a responsible citizen. I'm sure wouldn't recognize him if I bumped into him.

So, congratulations, you get another Olympic conclusion-jumping medal to add to your collection.

I see you're a regularly nasty & bitter retired person. perhaps my first bozo on 4um. feel better.

I plead guilty to not suffering fools gladly.

I'm happy to leave it the considerable number of un-crazed 4-um posters to determine who is the bitter, sick in the heart poster here.

I'm honored to be bozo-ed by you. I'd be insulted to be otherwise by your ilk. And, besides, I get angry with myself when I'm goaded into responding to such.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-03   16:05:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: Artisan (#127) (Edited)

First of all, we do not even know if the plastic bottle had any water in it. However, we do know that there was no damage to Krell's vehicle.

People are usually innocent until proven guilty.

Krell was found guilty of something, he was given 6 months in jail.

It is possible to know you are being chased w/o the reason. Consider all the road rage cases on L.A. freeways.

If someone is dangerously tailgating you at any speed and refuses to pass you, then you can be sure he is chasing you. Also, if he tries to run you off the road or into a tree.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   16:26:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#135. To: robin (#103)

There was no alcohol involved

I have three questions troubling me at this moment.

1) Was Krell drug or alcohol tested? I doubt it very seriously since he stated at the scene that he "encountered the accident" and he was not charged until sometime after.

2) Why did the county Prosecutor recuse himself from the case?

3) Is Judge Costello an elected judge? I hope so, because unless the county is made up of a slew of Artisan's and rickyj's I'd guess his future is in defending scoundrels instead of persecuting victims.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-03   16:28:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#136. To: iconoclast (#135)

1) Was Krell drug or alcohol tested? I doubt it very seriously since he stated at the scene that he "encountered the accident" and he was not charged until sometime after.

That could account for his road rage.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   16:30:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#137. To: iconoclast (#135)

1) Was Krell drug or alcohol tested? I doubt it very seriously since he stated at the scene that he "encountered the accident" and he was not charged until sometime after.

He did encounter the accident. As much as you desperately try to demonize this man it is not going to work.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-03   20:23:14 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#138. To: robin (#134)

Krell was found guilty of something, he was given 6 months in jail.

He served even less.

Here is more on this tragedy ... all available, although apparently inaccesible to those of the contra opinion on this series of tragedies (including, of course the outrageous sentence of Mr. Fackelman):

www.monroenews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?

AID=/20070817/NEWS01/108170049/-1/RSSNEWS

Two sentences, two approaches

One of the final chapters in a sad story played out in a packed, emotional courtroom Thursday.

Two people were sentenced to jail. One is Austin Oberle, a 19-year-old Toledo honor student who plans to attend college. The other is Randy Krell, a 52- year-old Lambertville man who has a family, a career and has dedicated much of his life to education.

Both were involved in a crime that led to death, injuries and anguish for many. Observers, such as Monroe County Prosecutor William P. Nichols, believed they were equally responsible. So for their roles, both were convicted of similar charges.

But for all the similarities in the case, the way they approached their involvement in the court of law was strikingly different.

The younger man pleaded guilty to negligent homicide and felonious driving, faced the victims and their families - not to mention a throng of media - and apologized, adding that he was accepting responsibility for his actions.

The other, who was convicted of negligent homicide, never looked at the families and directed his words only toward the judge. His back remained to the courtroom. He denied involvement from the beginning and during his trial in June told a story on the witness stand that neither the judge nor the jury believed.

On Thursday, the differences in demeanor and approaches cost Mr. Krell three months of freedom. Circuit Judge Michael W. LaBeau clearly was as impressed with Mr. Oberle as he was disenchanted with Mr. Krell.

"Mr. Krell has shown no remorse for his actions," Judge LaBeau said. "Mr. Krell told a ridiculous story ... bordering on the absurd. If Mr. Krell stood up like a man, the victims could have accepted this much better."

Mr. Oberle will spend the next six months in jail. Mr. Krell was given nine months. Both were handcuffed and led away. They also were sentenced to three years of probation.

Mr. Oberle also must peform community service.

It was the end of one story that began happily enough with a carload of good teenagers, who all are excellent students, athletic and good looking. They were out having some fun on a summer night and were playing pranks that eventually led to disaster.

A thrown water bottle, a passing car getting hit, a chase through darkness, a crash and then death and injuries. Charlie Fackelman was one of the teenagers in that car. By all accounts, he was happy, full of life, charming and had a great future ahead of him. He loved baseball and was hoping to teach it at the high school level.

He was the only one of the five teens in the car who died in the accident that June night. He was 17.

"There is a hole in our family," his mother, Janet, said tearfully in court on Thursday. "The anguish is extreme. Our family will never be the same without Charlie."

Charlie was shown in the funeral home last Father's Day. His dad was so distressed he reportedly snapped and went after Mr. Krell with a gun months after the accident. Mr. Fackelman will be in court again next week, but this time as a defendant.

On Thursday, he wore his son's Whitmer High School baseball uniform. The No. 21 and "Fackelman" were stitched on the back. When Mr. Krell read his statement in court, Mr. Fackelman turned around and faced the courtroom wall. Afterward, he said he turned his back to the court proceeding while Mr. Krell read his statement for a reason.

"He never faced us," Mr. Fackelman said. "It was typical of the whole situation from beginning to end. He never faced up to anything."

For Mr. Krell, the incident also has been a nightmare. He said in court that he has been stalked, attacked and terrorized. He has spent his life savings defending himself and remains concerned for his family's safety.

"I still live in fear," he told the judge. "This case has taken a toll on my family as well as myself. Nothing I can do will change what has happened. We all must move on."

For many, however, moving on is no simple task. Stevie Beale is another victim in this case. Bright, beautiful and smart, she has impressed the judge and almost everyone else who has come in contact with her.

Confined to a wheelchair because of injuries suffered in the accident, she always has maintained grace and dignity while on the witness stand or with the media. Many in court wore "Super Stevie" T-shirts.

"I prayed I would be like her," Alexa, her 12-year-old sister, told the court.

At the sentencing, Stevie sat in the wheelchair and could not hide her disdain for Mr. Krell, telling him that he should have known better. She also could not help but wonder about her one-time friend Austin, who she feels abandoned her.

In the end, she said, she lost her mobility and a friend.

"I began to pick up the pieces of my broken heart," Stevie said. "I'm serving a life sentence in this chair."

Now comes the final chapter for this group of teenagers and their families. Out of the glare of the media spotlight and courtroom, one family tries to move forward without a beloved young man.

A second is faced with years of therapy and the challenges of the handicapped world. And yet another must share time with felons and drug dealers instead of preparing for college.

Mr. Oberle, who drove at high speeds trying to flee the pursuing car that night, pleaded guilty to negligent homicide and felonious driving a day before the trial. On Thursday, wearing a striped dress shirt and white necktie, he faced the courtroom and addressed his friends, their families and a full courtroom.

"I'd like to apologize," he said. "I wish I used better judgment. I have taken responsibilities for my actions. I stand before you today as a man. I'm so sorry I caused all this tragedy."

In the back of the room, amid a group of people, stood Al Beale, Stevie's father. He said later that the sentence was fair. Like the judge, he noted the difference in the way the two defendants acted.

"I thought it was very responsible for an 18-year-old," Mr. Beale said. "He stood there like a man. He didn't cower."

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-03   20:59:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#139. To: iconoclast (#138)

Thanks for this additional news coverage.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-03   21:02:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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