[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help] 

Status: Not Logged In; Sign In

Hell Let Loose - MOATS with George Galloway

Important Message: Our Country Our Choice

Israel is getting SLAUGHTERED in Lebanon, Americans are trapped | Redacted

Warren Buffett has said: “I could end the deficit in five minutes.

FBI seizes Diddy tape showing Hillary Clinton killing a child at a 'Freak Off' party

Numbers of dairy cow deaths from bird flu increasing to alarming rates

Elites Just Told Us How They'll SILENCE US!

Reese Report: The 2024 October Surprise?

Americans United in Crisis: Mules Carry Supplies to Neighbors Trapped by Hurricanes Devastation in NC

NC STATE POLICE WILL START ARRESTING FEDS THAT ARE BLOCKING AIDE FROM OUTSIDE SOURCES

France BANS ARMS SALES To Israel & Netanyahu LASHES OUT At Macron | Iran GETS READY

CNN Drops Bomb on Tim Walz, Releases Blistering Segment Over Big Scandals in His Own State

EU concerned it has no influence over Israel FT

How Israels invasion of Lebanon poses risks to Turkiye

Obama's New Home in Dubai?,

Vaccine Skeptics Need To Be Silenced! Bill Gates

Hillary Clinton: We Lose Total Control If Social Media Companies Dont Moderate Content

Cancer Patients Report Miraculous Recoveries from Ivermectin Treatment

Hurricane Aid Stolen By The State Of Tennessee?

The Pentagon requests $1.2bn to continue Red Sea mission

US security officials warn of potential threats within two weeks, ramped-up patrols.

Massive Flooding Coming From Hurricane Milton

How the UK is becoming a ‘third-world’ economy

What Would World War III Really Look Like? It's Already Starting...

The Roots Of The UK Implosion And Why War Is Inevitable

How The Jew Thinks

“In five years, scientists predict we will have the first ice-free Arctic summer" John Kerry in 2009

Jewish FEMA disaster relief handbook actually mandates prioritising non-Whites for disaster relief

A Comprehensive Guide To Choosing The Right Protein Powde

3-Time Convicted Violent Criminal Repeatedly Threatened to Kidnap and Kill Judge Cannon and Her Family


Editorial
See other Editorial Articles

Title: Grief Stricken Father Sentenced to Six Years in Prison (My Title)
Source: Toledo Blade
URL Source: http://toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs.dl ... 80301/NEWS02/803010412/-1/NEWS
Published: Mar 1, 2008
Author: BLADE STAFF WRITER
Post Date: 2008-03-01 09:07:05 by iconoclast
Keywords: None
Views: 1677
Comments: 139

Article published Saturday, March 1, 2008

Fackelman given nearly 6 years in home invasion

Sentence includes ban from Bedford Twp.

By MARK REITER BLADE STAFF WRITER

MONROE - A Toledo man who claimed he couldn't recall pulling a loaded handgun on the man he held responsible for causing the road-rage death of his teenage son will serve at least 5 3/4 years in prison.

At the sentencing for Charles Fackelman in Monroe County Circuit Court, Judge Joseph Costello, Jr., said the defendant's actions in the March 24 gun toting attack on Randy Krell and his neighbor were methodical and controlled.

"Everything you did that day demonstrates to me that you knew what you were doing," the judge said.

Fackelman, 47, was convicted after a jury trial in January on two counts of felonious assault, home invasion, and gun possession. He will receive credit for the 31 days he has served in the county jail.

At his trial, Fackelman took the stand and claimed he didn't remember driving to the Lambertville home of Mr. Krell, pulling a loaded gun, pursuing him to the home of the neighbor, Thomas Williams, and kicking down the steel door of Mr. Williams' house in an attempt to get to Mr. Krell.

Not guilty by reason of insanity was among the verdicts that the jury could have reached. Instead, the panel found Fackelman guilty but mentally ill.

Judge Costello imposed a two-year mandatory sentence for the gun possession conviction and added 3 3/4 years to 20 years to the punishment for the other offenses. Fackelman also was ordered to never enter Bedford Township upon his release from prison without the court's permission.

Mr. Krell, 52, was released from the county jail Feb. 20 for the sentence he received for chasing after a carload of teenagers in June, 2006, after one of them tossed a water bottle at his car.

The car, driven by Austin Oberle, went out of control at a Whiteford Township intersection and crashed into a tree, killing Charlie Fackelman, the defendant's 17-year-old son, and seriously injuring a teenage girl.

Mr. Krell, a former Bedford Public Schools board member, was convicted in a jury trial in August of negligent homicide. He served about five months of a nine-month jail sentence.

Mr. Williams, who is an assistant principal at Dundee High School, and Mr. Krell were in the courtroom for the sentencing yesterday, but neither victim wanted to make a statement to the court. They left the packed courtroom immediately.

Fackelman, who was dismissed from his job with the U.S. Postal Service, didn't make a statement at his sentencing.

A day before the confrontation at Mr. Krell's home - and 32 days after the crash that killed his son - Fackelman attended the Whitmer High School baseball team's first home game of the season. His son would have been a senior and the team's starting shortstop.

According to testimony, the defendant acted strangely and stood alone at the game. Witnesses said he stared into the infield at the position that Charlie would have played. His wife, Janet, testified that her husband came home from the game, went to his bedroom, and cried himself to sleep.

Kenneth Simon, a Wayne County, Michigan, assistant prosecutor who handled the case, argued to Judge Costello that a message needed to be sent to discourage others from taking the law into their own hands.

"What would have happened in this case if Randy Krell had not gone to Mr. Williams' house? I think at the very least that Mr. Fackelman's intent was more than pointing a gun at Mr. Krell," Mr. Simon said.

Defense attorney Asad Farah argued for leniency and asked the judge to depart from state sentencing guidelines.

Mr. Farah said the tragic death of his son threw Fackelman into mental illness and he couldn't deal with the loss, causing unusual mitigating factors in the case.

"He needs help. He needs to continue on with his medication. He needs to continue on with his therapy," Mr. Farah said. "There is no dispute that he has a mental illness. The question is whether he will receive help under a prison sanction."

Judge Costello said that Fackelman put the victims and their families as well as their neighborhood in a state of fear, to the point that Mr. Williams became suspicious when a strange vehicle drove past.

"No one should have to live like that," the judge said.

Under state law, Fackelman will not be eligible to appear before the parole board until he serves the minimum punishment of 69 months.

Fackelman also was ordered by Judge Costello to pay restitution of $1,564 to Mr. Williams and his insurance carrier for the damage that he did to the home.

Post Comment   Private Reply   Ignore Thread  


TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest

#1. To: All (#0)

American Justice, circa 2008?

The hot-headed adult idiot got nine months, served five!

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   9:09:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#2. To: All (#1)

Epilogue.

Article ID: MERLIN_4539418 Published on July 5, 2007 Blade, The (Toledo, OH)

Justice is not enough to fill families' void

The car crash itself occurred in a split second. Stevie Beale, 18, can't even remember the exact moment of impact or the sounds of sliding wheels that preceded it.

But like the old story of a pebble dropped into a stream, the ripples of the June, 2006, accident have carried far beyond its initial impact.

A paralyzed girl, a dead boy, two now-convicted felons, lost jobs, torn families, accumulated bills, and a laundry list of emotional burdens have followed.

Through tragedy, the Beale and Fackelman families have become close, helping to guide each other through the aftermath. They now are attempting to steady themselves for recovery.

"I just have to let it go," said Charles V. Fackelman, the father of the boy who died. "I don't know how, but I have to, somehow."

His 17-year-old son, Charlie L. Fackelman, is dead. Miss Beale is paralyzed from the waist down.

And Austin Oberle, 18, a new Whitmer High School graduate, and Randy Krell, a former Bedford school board member, have been convicted of felonies for their roles in the accident.

According to witness testimony, Krell, 52, chased a car filled with teenagers through Bedford Township the night of June 15, 2006, after one of them threw a bottle of water at his car.

The driver, Oberle, then 17, went through an intersection and hit a tree, killing Charlie Fackelman of Toledo and severely injuring Miss Beale of Bedford.

Oberle pleaded guilty last week to two felonies resulting from his role in the crash.

Krell pleaded not guilty, but a jury found him guilty of negligent homicide.

The jury's verdict last week was met by silence. There was some muffled whispers and weeping but no sudden healing, no applause.

"I needed to start placing faith somewhere and I put it in the trial," Mr. Fackelman said.

"I was expecting some sort of epiphany from all that, some life-changing moment, but it did not do that."

Mr. Fackelman and his wife, Janet, say they have lost something that cannot be regained.

"[The verdict] doesn't actually change our lives any," Mrs. Fackelman said.

"Maybe it's a little justice, but we've lost Charlie and we still have to deal with that on a day-to-day basis."

Mr. Fackelman is facing felony charges later this month for pulling a gun on Krell in March.

"There is still a lot more we have to go through," Mrs. Fackelman said.

Mr. Fackelman declined to talk about the pending case, except to say that he is getting psychiatric treatment and is working to get better.

When Mr. Beale first learned that Krell was the man who had chased the teenagers, it filled an emotional hole.

"It was a desperate feeling knowing the kids were being chased and not knowing who was chasing them," Mr. Beale said.

He said he couldn't sleep for months after the accident, and would instead drive around until the wee hours of the morning looking for the black Chrysler 300M identified at the scene of the crash.

"I get sick whenever I hear the name Krell," said Sheryl Beale, Miss Beale's mother.

The Fackelmans said they expected something more of Krell because he was the adult.

"I think it would have helped if he admitted his guilt," Mrs. Fackelman said.

"It would have shown some responsibility."

Charlie was just Charlie

Whenever a teammate needed to be cheered up, Charlie, 17, knew how to break the tension.

He was famous for singing the "Pina Colada" song "Escape" by Rupert Holmes on the Whitmer High School baseball field - which his teammates called "Fackel-daddy field," because he was always such a large part of the game.

"If you like Pina Coladas, and getting caught in the rain... come with me and escape," he would sing.

The red-haired, freckled boy who made everyone smile was the Panthers' pitcher and shortstop.

He was the older brother to 16-year-old twins, Jacob and Kelsey. And he was the last of an unbroken line of Charlies.

In the Fackelman family, a Charlie has been father to a Charlie since the beginning of the 19th century, Mr. Fackelman said.

But despite the distinguished line before him, there was no one quite like him.

"There were things that were Charlie-esque, but there's nothing I can say he's really like, he's just Charlie," said Matt LaPoint, the Panthers' baseball coach.

Friendship found

In seventh grade, Charlie wrote a note to his future self.

"Dear Future Me, 2007," the 2002 letter begins. "Hello, I'm writing to you because I don't want you to forget who you once were."

Charlie told his future self that going to college was nonnegotiable: "You're going, no questions asked," he wrote.

He also told himself never to forget his friends.

"You will need them and they will need you in the future," he wrote.

Charlie and Stevie Beale were best friends.

They went to the homecoming dance together, walked each other to class, and spent almost every weekend by each other's side.

They were part of, in their own lingo, the "CG" crew - cool guys, cool girls. And they were "SOW" with each other - so obsessed with.

Miss Beale's father, Alfie Beale, did not let her start dating until she was 16.

"They thought about dating but then they worried it would affect their friendship," Mr. Beale said. "But Charlie was definitely the boy I'd been waiting for to date my daughter."

The survivor

As a skilled trades millwright for Chrysler in Detroit, Mr. Beale's job was to fix the production lines when they broke.

"I kept everything running," said Mr. Beale, who recently took a buyout package.

Now he's using the skills of his trade to keep things running at home.

"You spend as much time with your kids as you can because in an instant life changes and not only because of a fault of your own but because of the choices of others," he said.

Mr. Beale recalls watching his daughter spray the lines of the soccer field at Bedford's YMCA the day of the accident.

"She noticed that there was a spot that hadn't been painted in the line, so she went back and filled it in," he remembered. "I was so proud of her that she paid attention to detail."

That, he said, was the last time he saw his daughter walk.

Miss Beale had five surgeries within 24 hours of the accident.

During her two-month stay in the hospital, she asked her parents to cover the windows with fabric so that she couldn't see the sunlight. She said the sun reminded her that she was unable to swim in her aunt's pool.

But she has since moved on from that early darkness and has managed to accomplish three of her four goals.

Her first goal was to get back to school. By the start of school on Sept. 6, she was back.

Next, she wanted to stand up for her prom photos. With the help of leg braces, she did.

And finally she said she would walk across the stage to receive her high school diploma. And again, the braces helped her along.

Now she wants feeling back in her legs so that she can walk completely on her own.

"Oh, she'll do it, buddy," Mr. Beale said recently. "She's a determined one, just wait and see."

Her growing independence and recovery are shown through the gradual stripping down of her wheelchair.

Miss Beale has removed her wheelchair's handles and taken off its "tippers" - a device, like training wheels, that prevents the chair from tipping over backwards - and she said she will soon discard the seatbealt that prevents her from falling forward.

Moving forward

Miss Beale goes to physical therapy five days a week "so I can remember how to walk, I guess," she said.

One of the programs she recently started is the Road to Independence Driving Program at Flower Hospital in Sylvania.

So despite fears of driving that have lingered after the crash, she is getting back behind the wheel.

"I feel like I haven't really changed that much," Miss Beale said. "But instead of being insecure about what I say, I now never forget to say I love you to anybody if that's what I really feel ... because you never know."

But she said Charlie surely knew how she felt about him.

"If you had a fake smile on, he could tell," she said.

She will attend Lourdes College in Sylvania this fall. Before her injury, she wanted to go to college farther from home, but "I probably would have ended up going wherever Charlie did," she said.

In terms of her emotions, the future psychology major said Charlie would be able to see right through her.

"I am happy, but yet I am still sad," she said. "I guess a lot of times my smile's not a real smile."

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   9:18:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: iconoclast (#0)

the bastard kills someone and he gets 5 months....the kids dad didn't kill anyone and he gets 3 years....American Justice....what a crock of shit!

Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!

lizza76  posted on  2008-03-01   9:18:36 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: lizza76 (#3)

the kids dad didn't kill anyone and he gets 3 years.

FIVE AND 3/4 YEARS

And leaves a wife at home with two other kids!

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   9:25:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: lizza76 (#3)

..the kids dad didn't kill anyone and he gets 3 years....

6, and no chance for parole during that time. Maybe early release for good behavior, but who could blame him if he didn't have a good attitude?

The justice system is in place to dispense due process punishment in part to satisfy the public's desire to see just punishment dispensed. Without it, people do take the law into their own hands. It's only normal and natural in any society.

In imposing such a huge sentence to discourage people from "taking the law into their own hands", the judge is instead encouraging people to do so, as the court has proven itself to be anything but just.

With this sentence, Mr Krell might be MORE fearful of personal retribution from friends of the kid's dad who blame him for this injustice. If Krell were a decent man, he would have asked the court to go easy on him, or not agreed to have charges pressed in the first place, maybe being satisfied only with compensation for repairs to his house.

The judge is a complete moron.

Having said that, having a water bottle thrown at your car is actually a serious matter. No one deserves to die or be paralyzed for doing so, but stopping and confronting such kids is very appropriate.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-01   9:41:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: iconoclast (#4)

FIVE AND 3/4 YEARS

thanks for the correction

Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!

lizza76  posted on  2008-03-01   10:09:02 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Pinguinite (#5)

I can see paying for the damages he did to the house ect...I do not see how it is within the realm of reality to be an adult and have a half of a brain cell to chase some teenagers down for throwing a water bottle at your car. Maybe I am a more passive person, but I would think following them to their destination or even calling the police if you feel just in doing so (which I wouldn't) would have been better than chasing down some kids!

Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!

lizza76  posted on  2008-03-01   10:12:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: lizza76 (#3)

the bastard kills someone and he gets 5 months....the kids dad didn't kill anyone and he gets 3 years....American Justice....what a crock of shit!

From what I read of the story he killed nobody. The idiot driver killed his son, not the man chasing them for throwing a water bottle at his car. Maybe I missed something, I don't know.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-01   10:23:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#9. To: Pinguinite (#5)

Having said that, having a water bottle thrown at your car is actually a serious matter. No one deserves to die or be paralyzed for doing so, but stopping and confronting such kids is very appropriate.

The dad seems to have gone after the wrong person. The driver of the car who drove into the tree should be who he is mad at.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-01   10:25:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#10. To: Pinguinite (#5)

Having said that, having a water bottle thrown at your car is actually a serious matter. No one deserves to die or be paralyzed for doing so, but stopping and confronting such kids is very appropriate.

I would feel like beating the sh!t out of them but I think reason would let me just forget it. As long as their was no damage to the car.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-01   10:27:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#11. To: RickyJ (#9)

The dad seems to have gone after the wrong person. The driver of the car who drove into the tree should be who he is mad at.

It seems the driver didn't know who was chasing them or why so....

There are lots of lessons here for just about everyone. The kids, Krell, the dad and the judge and the prosecutors for that matter. Throw the jury in too, though maybe they didn't expect a harsh sentence. Everyone pretty much screwed up, one screw up leading to another and another...

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-01   10:32:13 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#12. To: Pinguinite (#5)

but stopping and confronting such kids is very appropriate.

The ahole chased the kids at speeds up to 85 mph on suburban two-lane streets.

Wouldn't a license number have sufficed?

I'd bet the aging yuppie had a cell phone on him, too.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   10:37:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#13. To: RickyJ (#8)

Maybe I missed something

Maybe I missed am missing something.

You sure are, IMO.

I was fully expecting some replies like yours.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   10:41:16 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#14. To: iconoclast (#0)

In college I was in the VW Bug of a friend when some idiot oollege students passed us and threw some ice and hit him. Wham, he turned around and chased them, ignoring my protests to let it go.

He pulled up next to them -- two boys in front, one guy in back -- and was shrieking at them (and also in my left ear). They just sat there and didn't say a word.

The girl in the back seat was screaming at us, "Why don't you pick on someone your own size!!!"

I burst out laughing, because Greg (the driver) is 5'6".

A word of advice -- don't throw anything at a car. You never know what the person who is hit is going to do.

Later, Greg told me, "When I caught them, I realized I didn't know what I was going to do with them." So he just yelled.

I think I still have hearing problems in my left ear.

When seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

YertleTurtle  posted on  2008-03-01   10:42:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#15. To: iconoclast. the thread (#2)

What a horrible story - who benefits by incarcerating Charlie's father?

Join the Ron Paul Revolution
Freedom*Peace*Prosperity

Lod  posted on  2008-03-01   10:43:43 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#16. To: iconoclast (#12)

The ahole chased the kids at speeds up to 85 mph on suburban two-lane streets.

Wouldn't a license number have sufficed?

Well, I said "stopping them" was appropriate. Chasing them is another matter, certainly at those speeds and in those conditions.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-01   10:45:54 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#17. To: lodwick (#15)

What a horrible story - who benefits by incarcerating Charlie's father?

Certainly not Krell, who might now fear retribution by the dad's sympathizers. If I were him, I'd have opposed such a sentence and work hard to have it reduced. Otherwise, I'd be moving to the other side of the country.

Pinguinite.com EcuadorTreasures.ec

Pinguinite  posted on  2008-03-01   10:48:30 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#18. To: Pinguinite (#16)

Well, I said "stopping them" was appropriate. Chasing them is another matter, certainly at those speeds and in those conditions.

I didn't check to see if these details were included in my post, but Mr. Krell first told the sheriff that he "encountered" the "accident" on his way to Taco Bell. The weasel denied the whole thing for a while.

He and his neighbor buddy also showed up at the sentencing of Mr. Fackelman for their extra pound TON of flesh.

What a pair.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   10:55:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#19. To: Pinguinite (#17)

Otherwise, I'd be moving to the other side of the country.

Slim chance.

There were, of course, several stories prior to the trial and sentencing.

This weasle is one arrogant S.O.B.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   10:59:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#20. To: Pinguinite (#5)

The judge is a complete moron.

Kenneth Simon, a Wayne County, Michigan, assistant prosecutor who handled the case, argued to Judge Costello that a message needed to be sent to discourage others from taking the law into their own hands.

The prosecutor recused himself from the case. I haven't been able to ascertain why, but I find it interesting.

Judge Costello imposed a two-year mandatory sentence for the gun possession conviction and added 3 3/4 years to 20 years to the punishment for the other offenses. Fackelman also was ordered to never enter Bedford Township upon his release from prison without the court's permission.

Just two more arrogant bastards from the fascist ranks.

Success is relative. It is what we can make of the mess we have made of things. T. S. Eliot

iconoclast  posted on  2008-03-01   11:21:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#21. To: RickyJ (#9) (Edited)

Mr. Krell, 52, was released from the county jail Feb. 20 for the sentence he received for chasing after a carload of teenagers in June, 2006, after one of them tossed a water bottle at his car.

You're right. The father should blame the kid who threw the bottle at Krell's car and the driver who crashed the vehicle during their "getaway", not Krell. It must be terrible for any parent to lose a child, but I can't get worked up crying over a bunch of vandalizing brats.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-01   12:25:40 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#22. To: lizza76 (#3)

A paralyzed girl, a dead boy,

And left a teenage girl paralyzed for life

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   12:59:33 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#23. To: lodwick (#15)

What a horrible story - who benefits by incarcerating Charlie's father?

Good point

Leaving a mother and her two children left to deal with the loss of a son/sibling and then the husband/father! Yeah that is the way to do it!

Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!

lizza76  posted on  2008-03-01   13:59:31 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#24. To: lizza76 (#23)

He should be fined for the damage he caused and be ordered counseling and a restraining order.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   14:00:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#25. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#21)

You're right. The father should blame the kid who threw the bottle at Krell's car and the driver who crashed the vehicle during their "getaway", not Krell. It must be terrible for any parent to lose a child, but I can't get worked up crying over a bunch of vandalizing brats.

seems to me there are many people who are to blame in this situation....but the facts are the ADULT in the situation didn't handle himself as an adult should. Kids are going to do stupid crap...and they should be taught a lesson for what stupidity they pull.....but chasing them down isn't the way to do it. No the kid shouldn't have taken off like he did and drove erratically...that is a given...but when you were a kid what would you have done?

Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!

lizza76  posted on  2008-03-01   14:03:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#26. To: lizza76 (#25)

The point is that Krell is not a murderer, nor is he guilty of manslaughter. Even charging him for reckless endangerment is a stretch. The kids threw a bottle at his car, he wanted to confront them. The brats sped off and crashed their car. How is Krell to blame for their deaths and injuries?

but when you were a kid what would you have done?

When I was a kid, I didn't throw things at people's cars.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-01   14:07:25 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#27. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#26)

When I was a kid, I didn't throw things at people's cars.

neither did I but not everyone was raised as well as we were

Killing One Person Is Murder...Killing 100,000 is Foreign Policy!

lizza76  posted on  2008-03-01   14:09:42 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#28. To: Pinguinite (#5)

In imposing such a huge sentence to discourage people from "taking the law into their own hands", the judge is instead encouraging people to do so, as the court has proven itself to be anything but just.

This only backs up a conclusion I came to a year ago. If you must take the law into your own hands to right and wrong and the police show up afterwards to try to arrest you, shoot them too.

If they wish to die defending such an unjust and corrupt system, they asked for it.

"The more I see of life, the less I fear death." - Me.

"If violence solved nothing, then weapons technology would have never advanced past crude clubs and rocks." - Me.

Pissed Off Janitor  posted on  2008-03-01   14:52:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#29. To: iconoclast (#13)

I was fully expecting some replies like yours.

Logical VS. emotional.

If the dad would have used logic instead of emotion then he wouldn't be in jail right now.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-01   15:31:17 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#30. To: RickyJ (#29)

What you missed is, the man who intentionally caused the accident that killed one teenager and paralyzed another got 2 months in jail.

The father of the boy who was killed in the accident invaded and damaged the home of the man who intentionally caused the accident; he gets 6 years in prison.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   15:35:08 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#31. To: robin (#30) (Edited)

What you missed is, the man who intentionally caused the accident that killed one teenager and paralyzed another got 2 months in jail.

The man who had his car vandalized by a bunch of teenage hoodlums tried to confront them. They drove off at full speed, he chased after them. They wrecked their car in the process, killing one and paralyzing another. This makes Mr. Krell a "muderer" in the eyes of the parents and many people on this thread for some mysterious reason.

Personally, I feel zero sympathy for those brats. If the parents want to blame anybody, they should blame whoever drove the car that crashed, whoever tossed the bottle, and themselves for raising a bunch of stupid troublemakers.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-01   15:42:26 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#32. To: robin (#30) (Edited)

What you missed is, the man who intentionally caused the accident that killed one teenager and paralyzed another got 2 months in jail.

That man wasn't Krell, it was Austin Oberle. Yeah, he shouldn't have chased them like that, but he wasn't responsible for anyone's death. The father as well as many posters on this thread are using emotion over logic, just as Krell did by chasing the car of teenagers.

No one intentionally caused this accident. If accidents were intentional then they wouldn't be accidents.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-01   15:46:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#33. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#31)

A car can be used like a weapon. They are teenagers, he is supposedly the adult.

The father of the boy who was killed in the accident invaded and damaged the home of the man who intentionally caused the accident; he gets 6 years in prison.

So you think that Krell getting 2 months and this guy getting 6 years is justice? Maybe this distraught father was just trying to "confront" Krell in his home.

No one should play games with cars, certainly not adults.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   15:46:12 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#34. To: RickyJ (#32)

Mr. Krell, 52, was released from the county jail Feb. 20 for the sentence he received for chasing after a carload of teenagers in June, 2006, after one of them tossed a water bottle at his car.

Krell caused the accident, he intentionally chased kids in his car and caused the teenage driver to have a serious accident that killed one and paralyzed another.

I drive SoCal freeways all the time. The driver of a car that crashes is often NOT the cause of an accident.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   15:48:57 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#35. To: robin (#33)

They are teenagers, he is supposedly the adult.

Using this logic, should teenagers be given drivers licenses to begin with if they aren't held responsible for their actions on the road? "Kids will be kids" shouldn't fly.

Rupert_Pupkin  posted on  2008-03-01   15:50:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#36. To: Rupert_Pupkin (#35)

They sure as hell should not be chased - over a plastic water bottle.

All he had to do was take down a description of the car and maybe the car's license plate.

There had been no damage to his car from a plastic water bottle.

He is a bully and an ass, and now he must live knowing he caused the death of one young passenger and left another paralyzed for life.

Both families of the injured/dead should sue him in civil court.

He caused the accident by chasing the car they were in, over a plastic water bottle.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   15:54:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#37. To: robin (#34) (Edited)

The driver of a car that crashes is often NOT the cause of an accident.

He ran into a tree. How could that not be the driver's fault? If Krell ran them off the road then they hit the tree there would be some evidence of that. If there were evidence of that then Austin surely would have spoke up and said so at his trial, he didn't.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-01   15:59:32 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#38. To: RickyJ (#37)

Do you drive?

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   16:00:03 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#39. To: robin (#38)

Do you drive?

Not into trees.

God is always good!

RickyJ  posted on  2008-03-01   16:00:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#40. To: RickyJ (#39)

I guess no one ever chased you at a high speed.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   16:01:35 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  



      .
      .
      .

Comments (41 - 139) not displayed.

TopPage UpFull ThreadPage DownBottom/Latest


[Home]  [Headlines]  [Latest Articles]  [Latest Comments]  [Post]  [Sign-in]  [Mail]  [Setup]  [Help]