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Title: Bush Orders 'Amnesty' for Foreign-Born McCain
Source: http://www.scrappleface.com
URL Source: http://www.scrappleface.com/?p=2902
Published: Mar 1, 2008
Author: Scott Ott
Post Date: 2008-03-01 12:26:08 by robin
Keywords: None
Views: 161
Comments: 8

(2008-02-28) — President George Bush today signed an executive order granting ‘amnesty’ to foreign-born Sen. John McCain, allowing the presumptive Republican nominee to bypass the Constitutional requirement that a president be a “natural born citizen.”

John Sidney McCain III was born in the Panama Canal zone when his Naval officer father was stationed there in 1936. The Supreme Court has never definitively interpreted the phrase “natural born”, but no person known to be born outside U.S. borders has ever been elected president.

Under President Bush’s order, Sen. McCain would be granted an immediate ‘P visa’ allowing him to remain in the U.S., with ‘guest candidate’ status, as he works toward full presidential eligibility.

“My compassion moves me to create a legal path to the presidency for my amigo, John McCain,” said Mr. Bush. “Of course, he’ll need to pay a $2,000 fine, but he already speaks English better than some recent presidents.”

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'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   12:27:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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It isn't a complete joke.

McCain's birthplace prompts queries about whether that rules him out

Thursday, February 28, 2008

WASHINGTON: The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.

McCain's likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a "natural-born citizen" can hold the nation's highest office.

Almost since those words were written in 1787 with scant explanation, their precise meaning has been the stuff of confusion, law school review articles, whisper campaigns and civics class debates over whether only those delivered on American soil can be truly natural born. To date, no American to take the presidential oath has had an official birthplace outside the 50 states.

"There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent," said Sarah Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. "It is not a slam-dunk situation."

McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around.

But given mounting interest, the campaign recently asked Theodore Olson, a former solicitor general now advising McCain, to prepare a detailed legal analysis. "I don't have much doubt about it," said Olson, who added, though, that he still needed to finish his research.

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of McCain's closest allies, said it would be incomprehensible to him if the son of a military member born in a military station could not run for president.

"He was posted there on orders from the United States government," Graham said of McCain's father. "If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can't be president if they take an overseas assignment."

The phrase "natural born" was in early drafts of the Constitution. Scholars say notes of the Constitutional Convention give away little of the intent of the framers. Its origin may be traced to a letter from John Jay to George Washington, with Jay suggesting that to prevent foreigners from becoming commander in chief, the Constitution needed to "declare expressly" that only a natural-born citizen could be president.

Duggin and others who have explored the arcane subject in depth say legal argument and basic fairness may indeed be on the side of McCain, a longtime member of Congress from Arizona. But multiple experts and scholarly reviews say the issue has never been definitively resolved by either Congress or the Supreme Court.

Duggin favors a constitutional amendment to settle the matter. Others have called on Congress to guarantee that Americans born outside the national boundaries can legitimately see themselves as potential contenders for the Oval Office.

"They ought to have the same rights," said Don Nickles, a former Republican senator from Oklahoma who in 2004 introduced legislation that would have established that children born abroad to American citizens could harbor presidential ambitions without a legal cloud over their hopes. "There is some ambiguity because there has never been a court case on what 'natural-born citizen' means."

McCain's situation is different from those of the current governors of California and Michigan, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer Granholm, who were born in other countries and were first citizens of those nations, rendering them naturalized Americans ineligible under current interpretations. The conflict that could conceivably ensnare McCain goes more to the interpretation of "natural born" when weighed against intent and decades of immigration law.

McCain is not the first person to find himself in these circumstances. The last Arizona Republican to be a presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, faced the issue. He was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, three years before it became a state. But Goldwater did not win, and the view at the time was that since he was born in a continental territory that later became a state, he probably met the standard.

It also surfaced in the 1968 candidacy of George Romney, who was born in Mexico, but again was not tested. The former Connecticut politician Lowell Weicker Jr., born in Paris, sought a legal analysis when considering the presidency, an aide said, and was assured he was eligible. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. was once viewed as a potential successor to his father, but was seen by some as ineligible since he had been born on Campobello Island in Canada. The 21st president, Chester Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility.

Quickly recognizing confusion over the evolving nature of citizenship, the First Congress in 1790 passed a measure that did define children of citizens "born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born." But that law is still seen as potentially unconstitutional and was overtaken by subsequent legislation that omitted the "natural-born" phrase.

McCain's citizenship was established by statutes covering the offspring of Americans abroad and laws specific to the Canal Zone as Congress realized that Americans would be living and working in the area for extended periods. But whether he qualifies as natural-born has been a topic of Internet buzz for months, with some declaring him ineligible while others assert that he meets all the basic constitutional qualifications — a natural-born citizen at least 35 years of age with 14 years of residence.

"I don't think he has any problem whatsoever," said Nickles, a McCain supporter. "But I wouldn't be a bit surprised if somebody is going to try to make an issue out of it. If it goes to court, I think he will win."

Lawyers who have examined the topic say there is not just confusion about the provision itself, but uncertainty about who would have the legal standing to challenge a candidate on such grounds, what form a challenge could take and whether it would have to wait until after the election or could be made at any time.

In a paper written 20 years ago for the Yale Law Journal on the natural-born enigma, Jill Pryor, now a lawyer in Atlanta, said that any legal challenge to a presidential candidate born outside national boundaries would be "unpredictable and unsatisfactory."

"If I were on the Supreme Court, I would decide for John McCain," Pryor said in a recent interview. "But it is certainly not a frivolous issue."

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   12:29:34 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#3. To: lizza76 (#2)

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   12:29:48 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#4. To: robin (#0)

This issue is not going to get any traction whatsoever. McSlime was born on a naval facility to a naval officer on orders from the United States government to be where he was at. Military installations have always been considered to be a part of the United States in the same way that embassies are. They even have their own zip codes, just like any other American town.

IMHO, instead of wasting time on this non-issue, people should be focusing on his very real political and mental shortcomings.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-03-01   13:19:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#5. To: Hayek Fan (#4) (Edited)

it's a joke (note the category - 4Play), as are the other links; but the IHT article is not a joke, it is informative

It never hurts to laugh a little and and be informed.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   13:24:46 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#6. To: robin (#5)

it's a joke (note the category - 4Play), as are the other links; but the IHT article is not a joke, it is informative

It never hurts to laugh a little and and be informed.

I'm sorry robin, I didn't notice the category. I've had multiple e-mails sent to me over this issue, so I thought this thread was real. Don't I feel like an ass! LOL! Oh well. While this particular article is farcical, the issue is real and there are people wasting there time trying to pursue it. That is there perogative of course, but as I said, IMHO McSlime has better issues to go after.

F.A. Hayek Fan  posted on  2008-03-01   13:33:34 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#7. To: Hayek Fan (#6) (Edited)

n/p

Enjoy!

I especially liked this one:

Update: Senator Claire McCaskill (Democrat from MO) introduced legislation yesterday that would define a "natural-born citizen" (the problematic phrase in the Constitution) to include anyone born to any U.S. citizen while serving in the active or reserve components of the U.S. armed forces. Barack Obama's campaign announced yesterday afternoon that he'd cosponsor the bill.

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-01   13:34:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#8. To: robin (#2)

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of McCain's closest allies, said it would be incomprehensible to him if the son of a military member born in a military station could not run for president.

"He was posted there on orders from the United States government," Graham said of McCain's father. "If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can't be president if they take an overseas assignment." .....

Quickly recognizing confusion over the evolving nature of citizenship, the First Congress in 1790 passed a measure that did define children of citizens "born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born." But that law is still seen as potentially unconstitutional and was overtaken by subsequent legislation that omitted the "natural-born" phrase. ......

Duggin favors a constitutional amendment to settle the matter. Others have called on Congress to guarantee that Americans born outside the national boundaries can legitimately see themselves as potential contenders for the Oval Office.

"They ought to have the same rights," said Don Nickles, a former Republican senator from Oklahoma who in 2004 introduced legislation that would have established that children born abroad to American citizens could harbor presidential ambitions without a legal cloud over their hopes. ......

someone who was born to parents stationed overseas policing other nations in order to "protect the American people" or for whatever the prevailing mantra is, ought to at least have the same rights as someone who was born 5 minutes after their parents came into our own unprotected borders illegally. Hate to think the likes of John McCain might rectify this situation, but I personally would welcome it.

definitions, rights and "privileges" of the various types of citizenship here:

Avoiding the Draft: You have to ask yourself if you are a U.S. citizen famguardian.org//Subjects...enship/WhyAUSNational.pdf. This link will explain why you are not a U.S. citizen. Best, Tinh ... educate-yourself.org/cn/d...dcitizenship17oct04.shtml

How to Apply For A USA Passport As A "National" 8 U.S.C. 1452: Certificates of citizenship or U.S. non-citizen national ...... famguardian.org/TaxFreedo...tion/SSTrustIndenture.pdf ... famguardian.org/Subjects/.../ApplyingForAPassport.htm

[PDF] Citizenship Status v. Tax Status File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - View as HTML [1] Also called a “non-citizen US national”. famguardian.org/Subjects/...CitizenshipVTaxStatus.htm (4 of 5)8/7/2004 9:13:32 AM ... www.wgns.net/LegalResearc...nshipStatusvTaxStatus.pdf

President Wilson signed the Federal Reserve Act on December 23, 1913. History proved that on that day, the Constitution ceased to be the governing covenant of the American people, and our liberties were handed over to a small group of international bankers. - Secrets of the Federal Reserve by Eustace Mullins

AllTheKings'HorsesWontDoIt  posted on  2008-03-01   15:48:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


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