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Title: 40% of American Jews "not driven by the word of God," says McCain supporter John Hagee
Source: AMERICAblog
URL Source: http://www.americablog.com/2008/03/ ... n-jews-not-driven-by-word.html
Published: Mar 3, 2008
Author: John Aravosis
Post Date: 2008-03-03 16:08:34 by aristeides
Keywords: None
Views: 3203
Comments: 172

40% of American Jews "not driven by the word of God," says McCain supporter John Hagee

by John Aravosis (DC) · 3/03/2008 12:12:00 PM ET

McCain supporter John Hagee:

I think if I could put a dividing line, the Orthodox and Conservatives who have a Torah appreciation give us wholehearted support. The rest [of Jews] who are not driven by the Word of God have a liberal agenda.

And the liberal agenda is they are pro-abortion. They're pro-homosexual. They're pro-gay marriage -- they want men to marry men and women to marry women -- and their difference with me is not really what I'm doing with Israel. Their hostility to me is poisoned by their liberalism. They take a liberal position that poisons their view of what we could be doing for Israel.

Note that a bit more than one-third of American Jews (around 41%, per the latest PEW survey) belong to the Reform (or "liberal," as Hagee would say) denomination of Judaism. More here.

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#94. To: FOH, rowdee, HOUNDDAWG (#91)

Atlas Shrugs: John Hagee's Fiery Speech AIPAC

Israel, you are not alone. But the America's English-speaking people are.

The sleeping giant of American Christian Zionism has awakened. The illegal immigration protest I attended in DC last summer had about 300 people at most. When will the sleeping giant of America's English-speaking people awake?

It is 1938, ..., and Iran is the new Germany. Naomi Wolf points out that America is becoming fascist. HR 1955 is aimed at America's militia types and patriots. Who will stand for them?

There will never be another Holocaust again, not on our watch. But abortion continues to destroy millions of American babies.

I'm more concerned, much more concerned, with those who are destroying our Constitution and refusing to defend our borders. Bush is clearly pro-Israel, but he is leading the push for amnesty for illegal immigration. The connection is clear to me.

buckeye  posted on  2008-03-04   6:46:20 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#95. To: rowdee (#90)

I had to step away for a few hours and return to see numbnutz still blathering his madness.

Only zionist rectums call me "numbnutz."

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   7:41:00 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#96. To: rowdee (#24)

Dipwad......I am NOT in Hagee's corner, numbnutz! You're trying to make a case against him, so damn it do so--with FACTS, not your own personal opinion, which you somehow equate to 'facts'.

Put some real meat out there that people can digest, not just me, numbnutz....but all the 'lurkers' or other silent types.

Make your friggin case..........talking in buzzwords or code is plain and simple bullshit..........you're tossing lots of words around at the fan, just hoping against hope that they're light enough they'll stick on the wall, rather than slide down to become the shitpile of junk.

The fact is - you're an idiot.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   7:42:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#97. To: buckeye (#92)

You raise some good points about facts in arguments.

What points are those? That facts are only facts when rowdee says they are?

That's bullshit. Zionism is amoral and that's a fact.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   7:44:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#98. To: FOH (#67)

Yeah, right after you answer the question "Is God a "Zionist?"".

What makes you think I'd answer such a moronic question?

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   8:10:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#99. To: nobody, thread (#96) (Edited)

Excerpt from "The Fatal Embrace" Jews and the State by Benjamin Ginsberg:

"To be sure, where Jews forge a close reltionship with the State, they may well obtain protection and a considerable measure of power. In ancient Babylonia, all citizens were required to bow before the exilarch, or leader of the Jewish community". Exilarch = Head Pharisee ie., head Jew.

These people (Jews/Babylonians) have always been intimately and critically involved in international implementation of police state governments for their own profit and power motives, but more importantly they have waged perpetual war against everyone else in society through adherence to the hegelian dialectic with every intention of ruling over the earth itself.

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And the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder their people, are among the greatest villains that the world has ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed (if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders, robbers, or pirates that ever lived. ... Lysander Spooner

noone222  posted on  2008-03-04   8:16:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#100. To: FOH (#59)

Do you believe that God is a "Zionist"?

Oh, that's right. There is no God (outside of you being your own god).

"God" is something crazy people like you invented and now re-invent on a daily basis.

By the way, your apparently anti-zionist act is wearing thin.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   8:18:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#101. To: FOH (#75)

There is no God (outside of you being your own god).

The only person I've seen talking like that claimed to be jewish.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   8:25:38 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#102. To: noone222 (#99)

hegelian dialectic

It's actually a rigged dialectic. The Hegelian dialectic does not have to be rigged, so "Hageelian dialectic" is more like it.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   8:30:04 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#103. To: noone222 (#99) (Edited)

Any person who says the left or the right is sinking the country faster than zionism, like Hagee does, is a person who is apparently mentally out to lunch at a roach coach.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   8:33:21 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#104. To: nobody (#38)

FOH

LMAO

seems like FFum at last has its very own paid shill-provocateur "international socialist committee of the anointed who will rule you because of their superiority and because its for your own good".

sounds like ell pee redux

JCHarris  posted on  2008-03-04   8:52:09 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#105. To: JCHarris (#104)

I believe that the judgment of God is a very real thing, and you're about to feel it.

Hagee  posted on  2008-03-04   8:55:39 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#106. To: JCHarris (#104)

"international socialist committee of the anointed who will rule you because of their superiority and because its for your own good"

Oops, their thermate is showing.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   9:04:52 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#107. To: FOH (#39)

God hater

Hey, flip-flopping zionist fruit tree - go water yourself.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   9:09:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#108. To: JCHarris (#104)

international socialist committee of the anointed

You mean the "Culture of Life" (TM) as seen on TV.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   9:14:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#109. To: JCHarris (#104)

I'm going to wait until the zionist (aka "neo-con") apologist takes a short break from his constant nationalistic expansionism in order to bring up "moral relativism" before I bust a nut laughing.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   9:45:51 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#110. To: Hagee (#105)

hilarious, and way too cute for the real Hagee

'He will make Cheney look like Gandhi.'
U.S. conservative pundit Pat Buchanan, imagining presidential hopeful John McCain in the White House.

robin  posted on  2008-03-04   9:53:12 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#111. To: buckeye (#92)

No need. You raise some good points about facts in arguments. That's excellent advice for me.

But I wouldn't call you Dipwad. :) You have always seemed reasonable and respond to questions when asked. You don't just throw flippin words around like the basement dweller to make yourself appear to be hip or in the know or whatever debased reason numbnutz has for flinging his shit around.

And you certainly don't act as though everyone in the forum is an adversary.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-04   12:05:24 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#112. To: rowdee (#111)

Loser-child, you sure think you are getting a lot of mileage out of pretending you sent your childish post to buckeye by mistake.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:08:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#113. To: buckeye (#91) (Edited)

I do see that America's constitution says nothing about the state of Israel.

I don't see it either, nor do I see any other nation mentioned.

Nor do I see where Christian-State World Dominance by force is found in the Bible.

The fact of the matter is, everyone has fault in this mess.

Sadly, most Christians (whether they're right, wrong or confused) would not get behind Ron Paul for lack of understanding.

It's not difficult to understand, for me at least.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:09:58 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#114. To: FOH (#111)

It appears numbnutz has turned his basement bully tactics your way.....did you ever get an answer to a plain simple question you asked?

Didn't think you would. Me neither...

At least even the newest of lurkers or readers will be able to follow the thread and see just how shallow or lame he/she/it is; that the same he/she/it doesn't want to discuss or debate or educate but rather wants to be seen as being hip or with it. I guess the basement is lonelier than usual of late.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-04   12:18:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#115. To: JCHarris, nobody (#104)

I support the sovereign State of Israel as much as I supported the sovereign State of Iraq and the sovereign State of the united States of America, etc. To say it's hilarious watching the muzzbots, atheists and followers of St. Augustine/Martin Luther/Adolf Hitler go on and on is an understatement though!

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:19:59 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#116. To: rowdee (#114)

basement bully tactics

translation: I nailed you two zionist to the wall.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:20:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#117. To: rowdee (#114)

Oh well...it's nobody.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:20:44 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#118. To: FOH (#115)

I support the sovereign State of Israel as much as I supported the sovereign State of Iraq and the sovereign State of the united States of America, etc. To say it's hilarious watching the muzzbots, atheists and followers of St. Augustine/Martin Luther/Adolf Hitler go on and on is an understatement though!

Suggested title: "Study of yet another wilt-leaf zionist plant protesting too much."

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:21:45 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#119. To: nobody (#118)

LOLOL!

Tell Adolf what a fan you are when you get there.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:22:23 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#120. To: FOH (#113)

Sadly, most Christians (whether they're right, wrong or confused) would not get behind Ron Paul for lack of understanding.

Its probably the case that most haven't heard of him.

Back around 1999 or 2000, when I was posting at tos1, I had a friend over in Washington state who was also a supporter of Alan Keyes.

She related the story about how no one where she worked knew who he was--not even the black men or women. I'm sure there some racists that would have some smart-assed remarks re this, but it would fly in the face of the fact that blacks have always been looking for leaders, someone they can look up to as one of theirs.

Whether one likes Keyes or not, he is very intelligent, he is well spoken. He isn't shy about speaking up or out---and yet none of them knew who he was.

Once they were given transcripts or a video of some of his speeches, they were ticked that they, their families, and their friends, had been shut off from knowing anything about the guy.

Not everyone is all gung ho in politics like most of us here; not everyone has cable or satellite; not everyone reads full articles, if they take the newspaper, but IIRC, research has shown they generally read the first few paragraphs to get a feel for the story and move on.

They're involved in job(s), church, school, their families and their childrens activities.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-04   12:35:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#121. To: FOH (#119)

Tell everyone what a great guy Hagee is again.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:35:49 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#122. To: FOH (#117)

He/she/it couldn't have picked a more appropriate screen name.

Turn your back on the sun and you only see the shadows.

rowdee  posted on  2008-03-04   12:37:18 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#123. To: FOH (#119)

Spotting zionist plants is just a hobby with me.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:38:37 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#124. To: rowdee (#120)

Its probably the case that most haven't heard of him.

Actually, most HAD heard of him in my goings on. And I talked to thousands and THOUSANDS of them the last many months.

"Must Win The WAR"

"Ron Paul is against Israel"

Those are the two most common replies from actual Bible believers...

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:39:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#125. To: nobody (#121)

Tell everyone what a great guy Hagee is again.

Ok. Right after you first show me where I said that Hagee is a great guy.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:40:07 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#126. To: FOH (#124)

And I talked to thousands and THOUSANDS of them the last many months.

"Must Win The WAR"

"Ron Paul is against Israel"

Whatever sounds good to an obvious zionist plant, in other words. Kudos on getting yourself so deeply embedded that you have such remarkable access.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:41:55 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#127. To: rowdee (#120)

I supported Alan 20 years ago.

He fell out of grace with me over time and with good reason.

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:42:06 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#128. To: nobody (#126)

You might be a candidate for a big hug.

Did a priest get into your pants as a lad?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:43:05 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#129. To: rowdee (#114)

It appears numbnutz has turned his basement bully tactics your way.....did you ever get an answer to a plain simple question you asked?

Didn't think you would. Me neither...

At least even the newest of lurkers or readers will be able to follow the thread and see just how shallow or lame he/she/it is; that the same he/she/it doesn't want to discuss or debate or educate but rather wants to be seen as being hip or with it. I guess the basement is lonelier than usual of late.

HAH!

You sure have nobrains' number! He lives in his mom's basement and issues orders for his other shock troops and storm troopers, and his powerful oratory and rants earned him the respect of all the other cottage residents in rehab, and will someday make him a legend on his cellblock!

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And, if you've read one of his lunatic ravings, you've read them all!

*nobrains* "You know who made you say that, Hmmmm? ZOG! ZOG ZOG ZOG ZOG ZOG!

Oh, Old MacDonald had a farm ZEE OH, ZOO OH GEE! Precious bodily fluids! OH, MOM, where's my medicine? You know what happens if I don't take my medicine! I hate you! AHHHHHHHHHH"

HAH!

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HOUNDDAWG  posted on  2008-03-04   12:43:39 ET  (1 image) Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#130. To: nobody (#123)

Spotting zionist plants is just a hobby with me.

Is God a "Zionist"?

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:43:50 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#131. To: aristeides (#0)

Zionists are drawn to US politics like child molestors are drawn to the boy scouts.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:43:56 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#132. To: HOUNDDAWG (#129)

heheheheh

Our last hope for peace
What North American Union? ~~~~~ Have you seen THIS yet? Pass it around...

FOH  posted on  2008-03-04   12:44:53 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#133. To: FOH (#130)

Is God a "Zionist"?

Who gives a crap here about your ridiculous "God," besides you and rowdee? I want to know the posting names of all those pervs.

nobody  posted on  2008-03-04   12:47:28 ET  Reply   Trace   Private Reply  


#134. To: FOH, rowdee (#127)

I supported Alan 20 years ago.

He fell out of grace with me over time and with good reason.

Same here. He started to sound a little too much like a religious fundie who'd codify his beliefs into federal law if he could.

But, when I first heard him speak years ago he really wowed me. He even made a joke about how his alma mater Harvard wouldn't be too quick to claim him anymore because his politics are antithetical to their star players' views.

And, when he attempted to crash the debate in Atlanta (League Of Noisy Voters I think it was) I thought that he lost more than he gained from it.

Which is exactly why Ron Paul didn't challenge the results in New Hampshire. The results would have been a net loss because the only publicity he would get would be bad. Some folks believe that the great unwashed can read between the lines but that simply isn't true, and it's always a mistake to open the door for O'Reilly and Hannity to savage a candidate.

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